All these comments do is scream "I can't afford one but I want one so now I'm going to be bitter on the internet."
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All these comments do is scream "I can't afford one but I want one so now I'm going to be bitter on the internet."
what terrible and moronic commentary.
And you wonder why people are often called 'iSheep'.
I can afford one. But the increase in price and a couple fo the changes made means that the rMBP no longer provides sufficient value for the cost for myself.
all your comment does is try and make you feel elite or better than others because you own opinion is that the value is there. I don't begrudge you that in anyway, and if you find it provides enough value, than great.
But how DARE you judge me because I don't. Get over yourselves.
I don't think so. This is a terrible design. God awful, in fact. Completely lacking an ounce of common sense.
I'm not buying one and I don't want one. For people like me, the laptop, as in MacBook Pro or in the earlier day, the PowerBook, is, or at least was an extension of the desktop. My main system has all USB 3 ports used, all the Thunderbolt ports used, and in one of the USB ports it's going to another USB hub which often has 2 or three devices connected to it. The fact is even when using my portables it's not uncommon to have other devices like external drives, USB memory sticks, or for that matter even a port connected to the iPhone to charge it. Even in this simple configuration, I'm already constrained by the lack of ports with the new "Pro".
In the old days I could actually use a "pro" level laptop to be set up as a remote workstation. This would include extra drives, external monitors, a keyboard, printer, hard wired ethernet, etc. etc. You can make all the excuses you want about "Oh you can use a wireless keyboard" or you can do this or you can do that, but what you're doing is talking about ways to circumvent the shortcomings of this very, very bad design.
THe problem with Apple is that Jony Ive, by his own admission, "doesn't know much about computers" and it shows. A MacBook Pro shouldn't be little more than a glorified paper weight that people put on a table and go "ooooooooo…..aaaaahhhhh…..look at how thin it its…..look at the lack of those ugly and intrusive I/O ports…..look at the slick and subtle lines…." No, it's not a paper weight, it's a tool, and people get tools to do work. How attractive will this unit be with about 10 dongles daisy chained together in a hodge lodge of adapters and connectors kludged together just to get basic "Pro" functionality out of it.
Most of the reviews of this "Pro" have been at best mediocre and at worst flat out critical. It's a bad design and anyone that needs a "Pro" system knows it. The mere fact that an Apple exec needs to kludge together a collection of meaningless statistics on it's sales merely points out how desperately Apple is trying to put lipstick on that pig and tell everyone what a hot babe it is.
The SSD is great, I admit, but it was insanely fast on the previous generation as well. But at the same time they keep using DDR3 RAM and already not so new graphics and processors. I'm not that concerned with the technicalities of future Macs, but more with their products strategy. Their line-up as a whole makes no sense (in the long-run).
The Verge is BS, and yes, I got banned because I made a post that I liked my Apple Watch... yes, because I liked my Apple Watch...
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The 2016 MBP has the best performance on the market you can buy for it's price.
It has the top of the line CPU, the top of the line GPU, and top of the line SSD in the laptop market.
The CPU is Intel, the GPU is AMD, and the SSD is Sandisk/Apple. It's as far as techology goes today. The thing is that Intel and AMD aren't innovating at their game, Apple is.
Nice that you can afford one.
But the comments you referenced were not directed towards YOU, nor were YOU being judged. Calm down.
Whenever I see the phrases sheep, iSheep, etc, well, that speaks volumes about the person making them.
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Yet it has similar performance to the model that it replaces.
I can get and will be getting a new laptop to replace my dead rMBP with a dell xps 15 which as it happens I can discount. Something I can't do at Apple except once or twice a year at a measly 10%.
I used to be an Apple fan boy but it now feels exhilarating to have opened my eyes.
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It's that kind of thing that annoys me with Apple. They release new software with lots of features removed then slowly add them back in. Yet they have not added an important feature back in which causes increased storage.
The XPS isn't any better.
So yeah, do whatever you want, I'm not an Apple shareholder and I don't receive sales commissions.
I'd have to disagree, I want to Apple to get a battery checked out, actually had to do this on several phones and several laptops. This is a bad experience for me. It gets worse when the genius said it would cost $650 to replace the battery. If I had not been clued up that it only costs ~$300 I might have felt double screwed rather than single screwed.Prices and repairability are not part of the product experience. And now that we are at it, there are plenty of pro software out there (whatever that pro means). Removal of ports, yeah I can are with you on that one
Bringing back rep
That good to know hat the xps is as good performing as the MBP.
I am also looking forward to the replaceable ram that future proofs me to 32gb. Has sd, hdmi, USB-a+c, gorgeous edge to edge display and is no thicker or heavier than my current rMBP.
There are likely to be things that I will miss such as time machine but hopefully on balance I will be happier, only time will tell.
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PS through things like my pension/super funds etc, I hope every company prospers as it benefits me greatly.
If it still gets the job done, then why bother with an adaptor?
I did some comparison of the ultimate rMBP15'' 2016 vs Dell Precision 7710:
Processor: i7-6920HQ vs i7-6920HQ
RAM: 16 GB vs 16 GB (Dell upgradeable to 64 GB)
Video card: Radeon Pro 460 (1024:64:16, 1.85TFlops) with 4 GB GDDR5 vs NVidia Quadro M4000M (1280:80:64, 2.5TFlops) with 4 GB GDDR5
SSD: 2 TB PCie vs 1 TB boot & 1 TB add PCie
Slots: 4 Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) vs various
Weight: 1,83 kilograms vs 3,42 kilograms
Laptop display: 15,4'' 2880x1800 16-10 220 dpi vs 17,3'' 3840x2160 16-9 IGZO
Price for given configuration in US: 4299 $ vs 4606 $
I recently work on an ultimate Early 2013 rMBP15'', most of the time in Windows 10 via BootCamp, with Autodesk Revit & 3dsMax and Nemetschek Allplan latest editions, and I am very satisfied how a 3.5 years old laptop performs with recent applications.
Neither to say that my next laptop will be the ultimate rMBP15'' 2016, at least because of weight.
Processor: i7-6920HQ vs i7-6920HQ
RAM: 16 GB vs 16 GB (Dell upgradeable to 64 GB)
Video card: Radeon Pro 460 (1024:64:16, 1.85TFlops) with 4 GB GDDR5 vs NVidia Quadro M4000M (1280:80:64, 2.5TFlops) with 4 GB GDDR5
SSD: 2 TB PCie vs 1 TB boot & 1 TB add PCie
Slots: 4 Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) vs various
Weight: 1,83 kilograms vs 3,42 kilograms
Laptop display: 15,4'' 2880x1800 16-10 220 dpi vs 17,3'' 3840x2160 16-9 IGZO
Price for given configuration in US: 4299 $ vs 4606 $
I recently work on an ultimate Early 2013 rMBP15'', most of the time in Windows 10 via BootCamp, with Autodesk Revit & 3dsMax and Nemetschek Allplan latest editions, and I am very satisfied how a 3.5 years old laptop performs with recent applications.
Neither to say that my next laptop will be the ultimate rMBP15'' 2016, at least because of weight.
Sorry, but that's simply wrong.
To use an analogy, you did a "Yahoo!" to support someone who maliciously screamed the "N" word, and your attempted defense to a black man who pointed out this bigotry was to say, "But Golly, I didn't think that the "N" word applies to you black people."
Yeah, you're really being that lame. And utterly transparent. Speaks volumes.
Except that you've had a reading comprehension failure: his use wasn't as an accusation, but as an illustration of a concept.
Since this is an off-topic distraction, if you have any further comments, disagreements or questions, please PM me offline and spare the rest of the discussion group.
Pss, i know what posts you were banned for. it wasn't that one. THat was just the first one they probably saw with your name and hit you
IIRC, you were running around to every forum and telling people who had opinions different than you that they were filthy liars and idiots and even ignored actual facts to continue to call people liars.
you weren't banned for being an Apple fanboy, you were banned for being insufferable troll
No, the previous generation was fast But they almost tripled the speeds and the fastest out there right now. Now it is insanely fast! Most consumer laptops come with mediocre SSD's capable of speeds less than 500 Mbs, and these are upto 3Gbs
Top of the line graphics were never a priority on MacBooks and never will be on something that portable.
Skylake doesn't support LPDDR4, so there isn't much option. Making use of just DDR4 results in higher power usage and a lot more wasted space. LPDDR3 is something like 25% more effiecent than DDR4.
So they would have to actually move backwards to include DDR4. Which would consume more power and use more space just so we can have 32GB? The performance for 99% of the people will even be negligible with the current speeds of SSDs
I don't think Intel is going to be able to support LPDDR4 until Canyon lake, so it will be a while before we get there.
EDIT: DDR4 is also around 4 times larger and the depending how it is integrated can be even more.
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Maybe. The real question is what is the system level analysis of the power budget.
Case in point, you said that DDR4 burns roughly 25% more power than LPDDR3. Okay, but there's lots of stuff also running in a laptop besides just RAM, so what is the percentage-of-the-whole contribution of the RAM?
Notionally, if RAM is, let's say 5%, of the total power budget and using DDR3 means that it goes up by 25%, then (all other factors equal, etc) our total system demand doesn't go up by +25%, but only by (5%)*(1.25) = 6.25 = +1.25%.
The rest of the design implications are to either accept that a "10.00 hour" battery life drops to 98.75% of that, which would be 9:52.5 - - a loss of ~seven (7) minutes ... or the hardware designers could choose to not shrink the battery by as much as they did, and add +2% more capacity to the battery and retain the 10 hour rating.
Similarly, we can model a "what if?" for if RAM is 10% of the power budget: 10 hours loses 15 minutes, or we have to not shrink the battery as much to give it +4% more than what we have now.
These sorts of Engineering analysis isn't Rocket Science - - where it actually becomes a challenge is when we have an egotistical designer and/or marketing focus group that imposes an additional design constraint that claims that their customers will not be profoundly delighted unless the hardware becomes {LH} 5 grams lighter & 1mm thinner. {/LH}
Edit: where {LH} & {/LH} is an explicit declaration of Literary Hyperbola in use.
Actually I and some others have money. And I could order a razor pro for the same price range as a max spec mbp. One of these is worth around $4000 (mbp all spec'd up, taxes and such) if you actually need decent specs.
Also the numbers in OP are misleading. Its revenue not units sold. Item the sells for cheap (asus chromebook) needs to sell more units to tie with the sale of a $3300 (medium spec mbp, drive to 512 and card upgrade).
it also put itself against its 2015. which sold less because people have been holding off on better releases. I was a 2015 buy because my 2011 was showing signs of not being long for this world. I am reliant on FCP at this point in time...so pulled that trigger again because of need. I also had the out of I bought at the local PX. never had their store card before. First time buy on what they call the starcard has a 10-15% discount. So yeah...I shaved a few hundred off the 2015.
In retrospect I made out good. Nothing about the 16 has me going man I was wrong. Quite the opposite. Price for performance the 2015 a better deal now. I see a 2015 sales spike when resellers need to push stock. And that jolly fat man is coming soon...discounts tend to appear before he arrives. Question is will apple eat the loss and pull these and force recall to make 2016 numbers look better.
But then it comes down to what is an acceptable dimensions and weight? And that is highly opinionated. I personally like lighter and smaller. Having to carry a Dell Laptop for work sometimes, It is Night and Day difference between that and my rMBP.
So given a set Height & Weight doesn't matter what they are.
DDR4 would result in not only power hit but also take away from battery space.
The question is what percent of people will actually need 32GB of RAM? And is the Energy consumption and smaller battery worth it?
Most people buying these will rarely hit 16GB and even if they do, they won't even realize it.
EDIT: We are talking about DDR4L being Quadriple the size, probably even more once you take into account how it is connected to the motherboard.
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Yes, but of course.
And I've opted now frequently to leave my MBP at home entirely and just take a 1lb iPad instead.
The trade-off ultimately is that that iOS device can't do nearly as much - - but in counterpoint, it can actually be used in a Coach seat on a commercial airline flight, whereas seat pitch has pretty much destroyed using most any laptop.
True, but when we go to apply the "Most People" paradigm, that's effectively the Pareto Principle, and they're the figurative 80% which doesn't need the MBP even at 16GB: the product for that segment is the MacBook.
With this insight, we end up with needing to assess the different needs of the 20%, which the default starting point is that they need something "more". Just what more is, is subject to a lot of assessment, trades & debate, in no small part because every 'Pro' is different. It comes own to some serious Bayesian cluster statistical analysis to sort out the fewest permutations which adequately services the largest percentage to understand what's the optimal mix.
Unsure about that new keyboard, may see a torrent of returns by Jan 7th... (side by side, I prefer MBA K/B)
One might ask will people need 32gb ram during the life of the machine?
I've ordered a dell that has a larger screen than my rMBP but weighs the same.