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That is economically impossible!

Let peel the onion... base line the as % of units. if I sold 10 last model and 12 this year. Yes 1.2X... but if other units sell 1 minion units vs 5M units.... yes 0.2X..... still who sold a million units and who sold 12.... this is still mathematical SPIN - show me units sales in each bar graph...

Throw the trash can into a tower and call it the new new mac pro - black anodized aluminum... watch this **** fly off the shelf... maybe throw us a bone and upgrade a few components....
 
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So that's funny - why did the original graph omit what turns out to be the best (XPS13), and third-best (XPS15) selling non-Mac laptops in their list? What else have they missed out?

Oh, and you probably need to add the XPS-15 and XPS-13 together, since all of the MacBook Pro sales are lumped together.
To be fair the Xps sales are not just this year. They are from start of 2015 to now compared to just 5 days of sales of the new Mbp.
 
Thats what 'many' said when going from 8 to 16 GB. Today, I know ZERO using a MBP professionally who does not have the 16GB option. Trust me you can feel the 32 GB over 16GB IMMEDIATELY ;-)

You can't really - I've been running 16gb MacBook Pro for years now and a 32gb iMac. I'm always over the 16gb on the MacBook Pro day in day out, but the SSD's are so fast now it makes no difference to performance - now the SSD is going to be a terrifyingly fast 3100MB/s i'll notice even less. Right now on my MacBook Pro i'm using a 7GB swap file, but I wouldn't have paid for the 32gb of ram even if it was available.

I'm not arguing against it being an option, i'm just pointing out it would have been a niche option and not a big seller, just like the 2TB flash drive (which in my opinion would still be more useful and a bigger seller than 32gb of ram)
 
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Again, Tim's job is certainly not to make insanely great products, his job is to make money. Don't be fooled by the marketing bs out there.

Yes, I think that is what my post said. He makes money on legacy Apple products he had noting to do with. Everything he has touched has been mediocre so far -- nothing to propell the company's growth for the next ten years the way the iPod and iPhone did. The iPhone is hanging along, but flat just the same because after 9 years everyone who wants an iPhone has one. So now sales are just upgrades, not new customers.

As I said Tim Cook has no vision. He is a old school bean counter from the Compaq world long past. He is not a product guy like Jobs. Products, insanely great ones, is what propelled Apple from being days from Chapter 7 bankruptcy to one of the biggest companies on the planet. Simply put: Apple and Tim can't make money without amazing products. That isn't marketing, that is fact.
 
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You may have problems connecting devices but there are people that will appreciate the new design.

My Phone syncs over WiFi.
I mirror the Mac to the TV or just stream from a NAS
Any large files are transferred either over AirDrop or to my NAS
Bluetooth speaker for desktop sound
Bluetooth keyboard and mouse


You may need legacy ports but there are people who dont and will purchase this.
I have the MacBook, and even though I bought the adapters, I've only used ONE adapter ONE time - and that was to charge my Apple Watch during a meeting (I forgot to put it on Airplane mode while at the gym and drained the battery). I figured I would at least use the ethernet since my whole house is hardwired, but I still wind up using wifi for everything. Like you posted, Airdrop for large files, AppleTV to mirror to the TV, syncing over wifi, Bluetooth for mouse and headphones, etc. We have the server at home for storage of any large files, so really it is no big deal. I do not really get why so may folks are freaking out, but I have noticed that it seems to be the one that are NOT buying that are the most vocal.
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Sure, only thing which Apple should have done different is call the "Macbook" the "Macbook air" and call the "Macbook Pro" the "Macbook".

Also, keep in mind that the professionals who do want to have a *pro* device with 32GB and good connectivity and a decent gpu (nvidia), are including the guys developing the software for the ecosystem and the guys introducing the macbooks to "non-geeks"... Even if a small ( but vocal ) minority, it's probably not a good idea to distance yourselves from these guys.
To all the folks whining about the specs:
Apple had such an issue with the NVidias that they had to do logic board replacements on systems that were out of AppleCare for 2-3 years. Do you think Apple wants to happily replace logic boards that are 7 years old?
Also, not ALL developers use 32gb, nor do they all want a dedicated GPU on a portable machine. Actually, if you get right down to it, a REAL pro is going to have a blown-out iMac for actual work and the MBP is a portable machine to do stuff on site when necessary.
 
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Apart from using Thunderbolt 3/USB-C, is there anything forward looking on the new Macbooks? It's not very forward looking when you drop almost all Pro products from your line-up because they aren't profitable enough, and try to compensate by raising the prices of the last "serious" machine they make.

Their new SSD controller and SSD it self is hugely forward looking and is a step in allowing for the new generation of SSD's to come from Intel.
 
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MacRumors Forums and other places are echo chambers full of malcontents. Turns out the new MacBook Pro is a very desirable product. Like the election and polls, everybody just got it wrong.
Yeah also I learnend early on that forums like these cater to internet's bottom feeders. Apple/Android trolls have no value or influence, other than being advertising eyeballs for the website owners.
 
Are these figures coming from the same people who said Hillary would win in a landslide? It's so easy to fake results in statistics. The fact is, Apple has aligned itself politically instead of focusing on computers- that will hurt them. Why do that?
Also, these stats reek of desperation, why so urgent to present such a specific 'online orders only' positive spin?
 
Well, that's good news. Hopefully this will help management at Apple understand that Mac development is important, not just iThing (tm) development.
 
You are right. But Mr. -- 4K hasn't even found its way into the houses of Computerists. At least not on a broad scale. And 5K is about as exotic as people on the moon. Once they become more popular TB3 is a must - but once they DO get popular we will be at thunderbolt 4.0 and Apple will implement that and once again deliver a device with ports no one could really utilize...

Also, if you are so PRO that you need all that screen real estate with two 5K displays - then the MacBook Pro is a very weak choice to go along with. BTW. I have a couple of 4K displays sitting here at work. Hooking the 2014 MBP up to one and starting working away heavily will make those fans spin so loudly that your ears hurt. Wile the iMac handles all that very well.

Anyway, TB3 is great as was TB1. But only after 3rd Pty. developers began catching up and bringing forth devices which did not cost as much as the computer itself.
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IF so, I will be getting my MBP in 2018.


5k is a pro thing :)
 
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Step too far started with new macbook pro prices. Still hard to understand why 13.3" base model costs $1499 instead of $1199 ? When comes with pathetic Intel i5 sky lake processor.
HP ENVY 15t Intel KABY LAKE Core i7-7500U 2.7GHz (Turbo Boost to 3.5GHz) , 15.6" 1080p, 8GB DDR4, 256GB SSD - $699.99
 
If it causes you pain and suffering perhaps you need a break


Can you delete portions of events to free up storage space in iMovie?

Good question. I don't have an answer for you on that. Sorry.
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Hmmm scrubbing in iMovie could be pretty nice. I'm sure Final Cut will take advantage of it as well. The interesting thing with the 15" is comparing dedicated graphics models between 2015 and 2016 is now the 15" starts $100 LESS than last years model with probably a more powerful card. Granted last year also had an integrated only option but I'm curious what benchmarks will show.

I honestly couldn't tell you which graphics chip either has/had. I can say that the playback and editing was 100% flawless. While on paper 16gb of RAM isn't enough, this machine mashed through that video like it was nothing. I double checked to make sure I loaded the right file. In person its a beast of a machine in my opinion, though it may not seem like it on paper. Many are writing off this machine but I can tell you its amazing. The touch bar is a somewhat foreign concept but after 30 minutes it almost becomes second nature. Anyone bitching about it who hasnt seen or touched one is blustering and should be ignored.
 
Click bait title.
The source says nothing about number of units sold.
The chart is based on revenue, not number of units sold.
It also only uses data for online sales that issued an e-reciept, not total sales from both online and brick and mortar sales.

Slice gets its data from e-receipts – not a browser, app or software installed by the end-user – so its measurement reflects comprehensive shopping behavior across multiple devices, over time which are key in an increasingly omnichannel retail world. Slice Intelligence is the exclusive e-commerce data provider for the NPD’s Checkout Tracking e-commerce service.
 
You mean that it's better to sell lots of units at no profit or at a loss? That's been covered too - and not how you would like it: remember that recent article about Apple capturing 104% of the mobile market profit?

I don't even want to know what self-important fantasy world you live in.

Some people will read the headline and believe it as fact, others will do some analysis and realise the Headline is not set in stone and actually misleading. You must love clickbait articles.....
 
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I have read elsewhere that those were chosen because they are the hottest sellers in the Wintel world.

While possibly true, The field of possible sellers in WinTel world is wide. Even within the same company.

Dell currently has 6 (at least) different laptop product lines, that range in price from $500 to several thousand. And all come with multiple "tiered" products within each. With different CPU, RAM and hard drive options available on almost every item in their lineup

Lenovo is currently selling 16 different product offerings.

so taking the "best" offering from 16 other offerings doesn't really reflect reality. Especially since it's not comparing like to like products. Dell for example would need to sell 2.5 times the inspiron low end laptops to equal 1 rMBP in revenues. Which is silly since hey're not even in the same product categories.

These numbers are overall meaningless. If you want to see how the market really is working, you need to look at total volumes, which are released by many companies quarterly. And when you start looking at total volumes, (while we don't have the new rMBP numbers yet), Apple's entire computer lineup only puts them around the 5th/6th for actual units shipped, and (not including new laptops), that number has been slipping quarter after quarter.

thats why these numbers are absolutely meaningless as actual individual corporate revenue on a product lineup is absolutely meaningless in context of the industry. They are also almost contextually irrelevant to the company and Apple itself, since revenues do not equal profit, till costs are included. Apple might hvae brought in some great first week revenues with the rMBP, but until they actually do the financials, That still could be a losing amount.

this is absolutely nothing but Marketing and sales trying to pump up their chests. if you were to add up all the WinTel laptops, from all vendors, and all their laptop products, they would likely dwarf Apple's laptop revenues. And believe it or not, Companies like Dell, LEnovo, HP have all claimed profits on their devices too, so it's not like everyone in the WinTel world is just selling cheap crap at a loss to boast sales numbers.

Dell did one of the most impressive moves in the computer industry a few years back. They were in a similar place to where Apple is now (from a Stock/Wallstreet perspective) where Wallstreet investor demands for ever increasing profit margins, started to cripple Dell's ability to provide good quality products, at reasonable prices. Prices started going up. Quality went down as Dell started to become cheaper and cheaper on the back end in order to maintain and push profit margins. It almost killed them. Their stock tanked so hard that Dell bought back controlling interest in Dell, went back private and told wallstreet to pound sand.

since then, Dell has focused first on their quality first, and has absolutely seen them rebound in the most recent years. Once you start catering to your client, and not investors, money starts coming in because when a product meets peoples wants, desires and offers sufficient perceived values, People will buy your products. I feel like Apple is currently stuck in this rut where they are trying so hard to cater to investors that they are putting consumers 2nd. Mature markets such as PC's, and now even phones, cannot generally sustain a company that demands high profit margins, while the competition can offer far lower prices, and still maintain profitability.

the next 3-5 years will be the most interesting days at Apple HQ.


But nope, it wasn't because they were "The hottest sellers". the numbers were nitpicked.

For example, Before today's update, the charts only listed Dell's inspiron. Inspiron is NOT their big revenue generator. the XPS line is. And STILL even after the update, it's being spun and split. The XPS products are split and only reporting ONE of them (there's a 13 and 15" models).

meanwhile, the MacBook Pro revenues are all combined.

again, the TLDR: this article is absolutely 100% marketing Spin.

They've updated the original C|Net article with the XPS 13 and 15, again, Split into two categories, but when you combine them both, they are far closer to the newest MacBook Pro numbers. Yes, its over longer period of time, BUT that still doesn't account for the rest of Dell's lineups being far greater range in prices, plus, it still doesn't include Dell's Latitude or Precision laptops Once you add up All of Dell's Revenues from All their product categories in the laptop world, those numbers really don't show what Schill the Shill says they show.

They show that there was an extreme amount of pent up demand for a product thats share was slipping over the last year, and that initial, 5 days sales were good. Now, lets see how those numbers look over the next year. Will they stay stable? or will they do what the Apple watch did and drop 66% after the initial months (Initial month of Apple watch sales were estimated around 3.5m, but dropped to approximately 1million for each quarter afterwards)
 
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It now includes the XPS13 and 15 and higher number of laptop shoppers.

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It still doesn't add up because you would have to include all XPS, Precision, and maybe even the Alienware laptops in a single Category because those are the machines the Macbook Pro would compete with from a marketing standpoint. The models such as 13/15/17 would all have to be combined as well since the "Macbook Pro" category is an all inclusive category of the 3 different models. One could even argue adding a few other models such as maybe the Inspiron since it's more what would compete with a Macbook Air (what the 13 inch non-touchbar is supposed to replace).
 
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Apple guessed correctly that First Adopters would rush in where angles fear to tread. There has been years of pent-up demand and it has finally been met. They really could have shipped out a polished turd with some USB-C ports years ago (close to what we have now, if a little more useful) and people would have flocked to buy it. But this is no "pro" machine. This is a fashion accessory for those who can afford to been seen with it at the local Starbucks.
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