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Looks like many people acting like a blind sheep out there…

Will keep using my old and trusty 13” MBP with 2 SSDs, all the ports i need included MagSafe till i can find fully loaded one from last year to replace it.
 
Well, consumer demands are clear, at this rate hopefully Tim gets the message and releases Pentium II on the next MBP and sell it for the reasonable price of $4500 and $2000 16GB SSD upgrades all that weighs just at 0.002lbs .
 
Apparently you are one of the rare people who can go to the Amazon or eBay website and find what you need at the best possible price, ...

And ends up with a counterfeit which either doesn't work, or fries your expensive laptop.

http://www.belkin.com/us/Resource-Center/USB-C/USB-C-counterfeits/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/30/amazon-clamps-down-dangerous-usb-c-cables

FYI, even stuff marked as "Genuine Apple" is at risk:

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/19/apple-lawsuit-counterfeit-chargers-cables/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/amitcho...one-chargers-on-amazon-are-fake/#24b2a6ee23f6

Pragmatically, the only easy way to mitigate this risk is to buy the Apple Store's overpriced stuff.

So who do you think is going to buy more peripherals, someone who has demonstrated that they are not afraid to put their hand in their pocket and pay $2,000 for a computer, or someone who scraped together just enough to buy a $500 laptop?

Well, the answer is more obvious than you think. Go back to this post from Wild Bill:

This is all Schiller marketing spin.

Exhibit A:

(quote) "based on e-receipt data from 12,979 online shoppers in the United States. (/quote)

Big deal. They sold a little less than 13,000 laptops over a 5-day period. Yawn......

What this little tidbit in the report means is that even if this reportedly "robust" MBP sales isn't a peak from pent up demand but continues, week after week, by the end of this quarter, a 3rd party peripherals vendor only has a maximum of 236,000 MBP users who exist to potentially buy his product.

...and considering that Apple's historical Mac sales trend is roughly 5M/quarter, even if Apple doubles this rate to 500K units/quarter, that's only 10% of total quarterly Mac sales. Given that historically 80% of Mac sales are notebooks and that the MBP represents the majority of the product line, something's really broken with these numbers in a bad, not good, way.

Make a guess. How many hard drives are being sold to be attached to a $2,000 computer for backups, and how many for $500 computers?

In the long run, Apple's business strategy is obviously to have none connected to either device type, because both customers will be nudged & pushed to instead rent space on iCloud, to generate an ongoing revenue stream of $100/TB-yr.
 
Looks like many people acting like a blind sheep out there…

Will keep using my old and trusty 13” MBP with 2 SSDs, all the ports i need included MagSafe till i can find fully loaded one from last year to replace it.

So people who have different opinion than you in what they want from a new computer is blind sheep. Good logic. You should feel proud.

Have fun enjoying your old rusty 13".

I will replace my 2012 rmbp with a new now. Will be huge difference in performance. Will get a much better screen. All in a smaller package with even more build quality than before.

And finally im not limited by only having 2 usb ports.. this 4 tb3 setup is the best thing ever happened to laptops.

And im a professional photographer that wont miss sd card slot, all cameras i had have a cable connection too. And my latest camera can transfer photos with wifi.

And as my biggest hobby is musicproduction, this faster and more versatile in/out is awesome.
 
Though I would say, if Apple were to make touch bar standard across all MBPs, it'll be even better

Especially if they want third party developers to support it enthusiastically - the entry level MBP is likely to be the biggest seller. The much better processors/graphics and extra TB3 ports should be a big enough discriminator between models. ...and don't give me price: the entry MBP is "competitive" with premium laptops from MS, Dell etc. that include touch screens, detachable displays etc. Oh, and if these figures are remotely significant, the throwback is that Apple is either shipping vastly more units (leading to significant economies of scale) or just making vastly more revenue per unit.

According to Slice Intelligence it keeps track of 4.4M online shoppers. Of those 16,754 brought one of those laptops mentioned in the graph.

So... was that 4.4M online shoppers who bought laptops, 4.4M online shoppers who bought electronics in the last year or 16,754 who bought laptops plus 4.398M who bought shoes and toilet paper? I have a general principle: if an article quotes statistics without giving the details needed to properly put the results in context, then assume that they're trying to pull the wool over your eyes until proven otherwise.
 
The 32GB option will come with suitable Kaby Lake processors. This has nothing to do which Schiller. Same goes for TB3 in the next MacBook since Kaby Lake supports it sans an additional controller. No surprise there.



Like operate an eGPU over TB3? How about a pair of 5K monitors?



Or one dock, like I already do with my TB1 and TB2 machines. I had an Air, it's not like it was swarming with ports.



Fortunately, with 10 hours of battery life, the only time it makes sense for me to be connected to power is at my desk where I'm also connected to other cables that don't have a magnetic release. Okay. I don't understand the simultaneous rage over a lack of connections coupled with whining about MagSafe going away. MagSafe made a lot of sense when laptops couldn't run ALL DAY on battery. But seriously, with 10 hours of battery life, how often are you plugged in somewhere that is NOT your desk? Unless your desk is in the middle of a room with power hookups across the room, this is silly.

(And yes, I have kids. And yes, I have a cat. MagSafe has saved me exactly twice: both instances on a 2010 MacBook Pro that had weaksauce battery life compared to my 2012 Air and 2013 Pro. It was always while working in a chair while plugged in.)

It is called a MacBook Pro for a reason. Launch Final Cut X, After Effects and Photoshop and start editing that video holding 10s of Audio Units and Filters for effects. The 2016 MPB will last you about 45 Minutes on Battery.

IF you get 10 hours of battery from the 2016 MBP then you are not using it for what the Pro moniker stands.

The 2016 MacBook Pro is a fine machine as it was 4 years ago. This whole battle of the new 2016 MBP is that it brings nothing new Pro to the table. And anyone using Xcode or Video apps etc etc will testify to the fact that the MacBooks PROS Battery in such a scenario is a non-viable option.
 
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Looks like many people acting like a blind sheep out there…
Or more accurately the machine and its features fits their needs. I've been fairly up front about my displeasure with what was removed, but it appears that the majority of people who have bought those machines do not have the same concern.
 
You do realise it's "revenue" ......see prices of new MacBook pros. Very important ....one MacBook Pro sold for £1000000000000000 supports their analysis .... we on mac rumours are more interested if people are buying these and not how much revenue comes in.

Second they have a small pool of clients .... I'm sure other research companies have different results, so can I ask why this company figures are correct or can we agree that it's just thier view.

Of course you need apple's figures ... do you judge the success of a new product based on how many harrods sells??

You need more data on which retailers are part of this analysis .

You mean that it's better to sell lots of units at no profit or at a loss? That's been covered too - and not how you would like it: remember that recent article about Apple capturing 104% of the mobile market profit?

I don't even want to know what self-important fantasy world you live in.
 
I doubt it. The bandwidth over the four thunderbolt 3 ports is pretty significant... the speed of TB3 over TB2 is 2x. The 2016 15" can drive two 5K displays plus its own. Dude thats pro. You don't like it for your reasons, we get it.

You are right. But Mr. -- 4K hasn't even found its way into the houses of Computerists. At least not on a broad scale. And 5K is about as exotic as people on the moon. Once they become more popular TB3 is a must - but once they DO get popular we will be at thunderbolt 4.0 and Apple will implement that and once again deliver a device with ports no one could really utilize...

Also, if you are so PRO that you need all that screen real estate with two 5K displays - then the MacBook Pro is a very weak choice to go along with. BTW. I have a couple of 4K displays sitting here at work. Hooking the 2014 MBP up to one and starting working away heavily will make those fans spin so loudly that your ears hurt. Wile the iMac handles all that very well.

Anyway, TB3 is great as was TB1. But only after 3rd Pty. developers began catching up and bringing forth devices which did not cost as much as the computer itself.
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not a chance a version with 32 gb ram...maybe in 2018
IF so, I will be getting my MBP in 2018.
 
So people who have different opinion than you in what they want from a new computer is blind sheep. Good logic. You should feel proud.

Have fun enjoying your old rusty 13".

I will replace my 2012 rmbp with a new now. Will be huge difference in performance. Will get a much better screen. All in a smaller package with even more build quality than before.

And finally im not limited by only having 2 usb ports.. this 4 tb3 setup is the best thing ever happened to laptops.

And im a professional photographer that wont miss sd card slot, all cameras i had have a cable connection too. And my latest camera can transfer photos with wifi.

And as my biggest hobby is musicproduction, this faster and more versatile in/out is awesome.

Well, lucky you.

And how said im limited to 2 usb ports? im having 2 USB3, Firewire 800, Thunderbolt and MagSafe that im using all the time. Maybe in your profession all you need is 1-2 usb's and SD card slot\reader. As a professional musician & producer i can’t connect the new MBP to my hardware in the studio, or to my mobile studio while im on the road. On top of that no MagSafe is a big minus because in the past it saved my MBP many times when i had gigs while people by accident pulled the cable…

Enjoy your new MBP with a bag full of adapters.
 
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They don't care about experience either
Removal of ports, removal of pro software, inflated prices, 1/10 repair ability and eye watering repair prices

Prices and repairability are not part of the product experience. And now that we are at it, there are plenty of pro software out there (whatever that pro means). Removal of ports, yeah I can are with you on that one :)
 
Yeah, no, saying it doesn't make it so despite the apparent disconnect in the American psyche these days. The 2016 MBP with the better screen (I work in video production, P3 colour space welcome), faster SSD, and industry crushing 4x TB3 ports means I will be connecting more, and more powerful, devices that you could ever dream of attaching to your 2015 model. Maybe not the day it arrives but within 6 months... I am betting on my future, not the past (being Canadian I am a lot more confident in my future).

That said, if the rest of you wouldn't mind cancelling your orders ASAP so my order can move up the cue I have this RED project coming in I want to finish in 4K Rec2020 in the new FCP X (I desperately need a break from my day-to-day Avid Media Composer work).

Cutting 4K video live from the internal hard drive of a MacBook Pro 2014 is possible. Thats the whole point.
The late 2015 MBP is already a FINE FINE computer, a super computer if you will. I love it. But it is lacking RAM and the entire Professional community have been waiting for THAT since 4 years.
 
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There is a reason he still CEO but it's not because he is leading Apple to make good, useful, cool products. If you step away from the forest and examine Cook's CEO tenure you'all see a pockmarked trail of less than insanely great products. He lacks imagination and he is really honed in on margins more than truly creating products with outstanding user experience. He is still there because Jobs left him a cash cow and he hasn't had enough time to totally screw that up yet. But Cook era products are subpar for Apple.

Again, Tim's job is certainly not to make insanely great products, his job is to make money. Don't be fooled by the marketing bs out there.
 
I just need to connect to one or two 5K external monitors, can the late 2015 model do it? Even connecting two 4K at 60Hz is impossible before.

IN that scenario you are right... can't to that with 2015MBP. Not a chance.

To elabora on my prior post as to 'Nothing you can't do....'
I was referring to work getting done... Not contesting the possible physical connectivity.
 
The "HORDE" aren't going to buy a 32gb model even if it was available.

Thats what 'many' said when going from 8 to 16 GB. Today, I know ZERO using a MBP professionally who does not have the 16GB option. Trust me you can feel the 32 GB over 16GB IMMEDIATELY ;-)
 
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BTW .. this is the original artlcle:

https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-mac...-set-to-surpass-2015-macbook/#ftag=CAD590a51e

It has an updated graph with a few more laptops in there.

So that's funny - why did the original graph omit what turns out to be the best (XPS13), and third-best (XPS15) selling non-Mac laptops in their list? What else have they missed out?

Oh, and you probably need to add the XPS-15 and XPS-13 together, since all of the MacBook Pro sales are lumped together.

For starters, this nixes the MacRumors headline "Apple's latest MacBook Pro has already outsold all competing laptops this year" unless you didn't read that as "all competing laptops combined" - note that neither CNET or Slice went with that particular headline. Also, lets consider the difference between "outsold" and "generated more revenue than" (one of which might refute suggestions that the new machines are overpriced, the other, well, doesn't exactly contradict the notion).
 
are they counting all the macbook pros sizes into one?

Yes, all the MBP permutations were pooled together into one. And then compared against "ones".

So right off the bat, the analysis was flawed because it was "three against one".

There was a small note that on a same-vs-same initial launch time period for the MacBook that the MBP out-revenued it 7:1 ... but take this 3:1 models discrepancy into account as well as their much higher MSRP's and the net sum result is that from a unit sales volume standpoint, its closer to 7:5 (1.4 :1) ... and that's before considering how some MR members have reported things like (a) ordering then canceling, (b) buying an in-stock 13" today which will be returned when their 15" arrives, (c) higher accessory prices, etc ... the net result of these other factors is that the aforementioned 7:5 (1.4 :1) ratio must be an over-estimate...its probably much closer to ~1.1:1, which is effectively a wash.

... MagSafe made a lot of sense when laptops couldn't run ALL DAY on battery. But seriously, with 10 hours of battery life, how often are you plugged in somewhere that is NOT your desk? Unless your desk is in the middle of a room with power hookups across the room, this is silly.

I've been a lot of (usually older) conference rooms where there's no power built into the conference room table, so wit gets run on cords behind us .. and with every single coffee break, there's a dozen people walking through between the table and the wall, navigating over said power cords.

And sure, while we can say that with a long life battery, we no longer need to be plugged in while at these all-day meetings, but that's not quite the case either, because after our business is concluded, odds are good that we're going right to the airport for a flight home and we want the laptop to be charged up because we may need to be using the laptop on the flight home. Aircraft power jacks aren't ubiquitous yet (especially when your employer only pays for Coach), and even when they are present, they don't necessarily work adequately to reliably retain the weight of a charger brick. Some are even low power such that you can't recharge while working.

I'm starting to get the impression that most don't like it simply because they can't afford it.

The way that one gets to be able to afford 'nice stuff' is by being a consistently savvy consumer, critically understanding everything's value. Try going to the Porsche forums and you'll hear guys who drop $100K in cash make unkind comments on how a $350 "convenience light" package is a rip-off, or how a new model's MSRP went up by +$5K despite the Currency Exchange rate going the opposite direction.

And im a professional photographer that wont miss sd card slot, all cameras i had have a cable connection too. And my latest camera can transfer photos with wifi.

Good luck with that. I recently checked the specs on the WiFi card that Canon released as an accessory for the 7Dmk2 and did the math ... theoretical max wireless bandwidth is only 10GB/hour.

Now go see if your dSLR's battery will even last long enough to dump a full 64GB or 128GB card (e.g., 6-12 hours).

And once you've figured out how to do that, rework it all again so that you can do it in a remote bush camp in Namibia, where your local power is a solar lantern in a platform tent (Edit: website with photos). What works for one Pro may not even be close for another, even when technically in the same field.


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They're missing a LOT of products in their comparisons.

Dell doesn't just have 1 Laptop line for example. They have the Inspirons (Home/Office laptops ) The Latitudes (Business laptop line), Precision (Workstation / Professional Line), Chromebook (chromebook line) and XPS (Home consumer / ultrabook).

And yet this article ONLY compares to the Inspiron. The lower end home laptop with low revenues (they start at $500)

Then moving on to Microsoft: This calculation doesn't include the Surface Pro lineup or the Surface.

Lenovo has their Thinkpad lineup, their Ideapad lineup, and Multiple series of Yogas (not just the 900). Yes, Each of these lines actually have multiple different versions as well. (Currently Lenovo has 16 different laptops)

Want me to go on? Why this article is 100% pure shill and marketting fluff?

THen, you also are comparing Apple's Only two current laptop products, and only 5 days of initial sales, after not being updated in 2-3 years.

Yet, All the other manufacturers update regularly and often, Thus providing far less "spikey" behaviour to their product lineup. 5 days of first day sales only tells you that there was a lot of pent up demand, NOT that they can maintain sales levels.

Yet all the competition listed is showing sales that range for up to 1.5 years. With ebs and flows of purchasing, Seasonal variances, and so many factors to consider, Most laptop sales do not maintain their high levels and tend to follow far more consistent and less spikey behaviour. The only way this comparison is legit at all, is if the variable of "time" is consistent to all laptops compared. Not taking the first 5 days of sales of the Laptop and then 1-2 years of specific laptops

DOn't take th is as me hating on the laptop. I think the rMBP 2016 edition will be a great laptop for many users. I h ave a few gripes with it preventing me from buying one. But I bet it'll work very well for many people.

But the marketting ******** that is being spewed as "fact" that you're gobbling up is embarrassing. (I mean "you" in the royal, general sense, not you specifically).

This is apple telling you "Look how amazing we are, yo all love us, so you want to be like us too!" it's also a way of managing Cognitive Dissonance and convincing these existing purchasers "look, you're not alone, you made the right decision!"
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The problem I have with these upgrades is that the $600ish price tag you mention is for a full new drive. Brand new. OEM. so first, Apple gets discount, and 2nd, If i upgrade ot the 1tb drive, instead of the 512, Why do I pay full price of the 512gb drive and THEN the 1tb drive on top?

the laptop isn't suddenly getting 1.5TB? i don't keep the 512GB device. So, Apple's costs are really about 1/2 of that, as the drive is a substitution and not addition

although, to be fair, MOST laptop companies are using this pricing model and it pisses me off.

Maybe the choice of comparatives is related to available data (I do not think that all the sales numbers are disclosed) instead of some sort of conspiracy to dumb the nation....
 
We don't really know if this laptop is really a success. To measure that, you would need to compare to previous sales of MBP, and take into account that it's been 2 years since the last update.

Comparing *profit* to other OEMs is a measure of how profitable Apple is and how many users have bought into this ecosystem, but it doesn't say anything about the success of this particular laptop. Let us compare sales numbers across MBPs with previous years, then we'll talk.
 
MR is full of Apple haters, so are most of the sites.

The Verge forums, they ban the people who simply like Apple, for example, because MS is running the show after all...
BS on the Verge, and just as many who "hate" Android that are for team Apple. Stop acting as if it's different in your camp/
 
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