New MacBook Pro Has Already Outsold All Competing Laptops This Year

[kugino]

who cares whether they call it pro or not. who cares if people think it's underpowered for them. everyone has their own use-case and if it works for you, buy it. if not, find something else. i don't care that you're a "lifetime mac user" and now you have to seriously consider another platform (yeah, looking at you, andy ihnatko). go to another platform. find something that does what you need it to do. just stop all the incessant whining. geez.

 

[Wild-Bill]

This is all Schiller marketing spin.

Exhibit A:

based on e-receipt data from 12,979 online shoppers in the United States.

Big deal. They sold a little less than 13,000 laptops over a 5-day period. Yawn...... I can make cool things with graphs too. And that graph shows revenue, not units.........Uggh.

If they were predicting "robust" sales from the get-go, and were not worried about consumer backlash, they would NOT have reduced the prices on their dongles. That was damage control.

 

[apolloa]

Complete total and utter BULL.....

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

The "MacBook Pro" is treated as a single product rather than the group of products it is. Meanwhile, the competitors have hundreds of different models competing, many of which from the same brand.

Of course it will outsell the others when the breakdown is as such.

All of the "models" look pretty "aggregated" to me. I wasn't aware that there were "hundreds of different" Surface Books, for example. And you will note that, speaking of the Surface Book, it was announced for pre-order virtually at the same time (actually one day before) the new MBP. So I would think that is a pretty damn good comparison, product vs. product-wise.

As for the other competing products? Well, their sales are just plain embarassing.

 

[vvs14]

It's interesting to see that the new MacBooks have outsold most other laptops in just 5 days! even with pent up demand it's impressive, Apple themselves had said that they had more orders than any other MacBook Pro before it, with online orders, it seems they weren't wrong. I think the Touch Bar has been underestimated.

The chart shows revenue numbers. Not sales numbers.

 

[MH01]

Boy, that's putting it lightly. With the new machines you can have multiple workstations set up to your precise liking, with monitors, external DACs, external drives, you name it; all which immediately come to life simply by plugging into just ONE of the four Thunderbolt 3 ports. Then you unplug and go.

Yet people's main 'professional' criticism seems to be that you'll need an adapter to plug in a USB stick, which almost seems like a juxtaposition when considering the above. It sometimes makes me wonder if these self-professed 'Pros' actually do anything.

I can do that on a 2015 model. It's the whole point of TB. I don't need to plug in a TB device per TB port....

6TB ports on my Mac Pro is useless to be honest. And if I were to use them all....it would be a horrible mess of wires and clutter... I've never owned a PC that was such a clutter....cause most of what is external to a Mac Pro is internal to a desktop PC.

Cluttered work environment full of wires and dongles is not productive .

Yeah it's a great machine if you use one port to a USB dongle....

 

[djcerla]

The reason for this is that 5-10 years ago, Apple was a very different company than it is today, and is targeting a different segment.

the "Pro" devices used to be the high end performance for media / creative types, that also often featured expandibility, and far higher available specs than the non-pro.

I don't think this is a bad laptop. Far from it. Fantastic laptop, But this isn't some revolutionary innovative laptop that breaks the mould and changes the world. It's also not the most powerful. it's also not offering advanced features and functionality. It's a good laptop and good revision. But the soured grapes are coming from the fact that despite all that, they still called it a pro laptop, and raised the prices by almost $500

Thats making a LOT of us. and yes, maybe reserved to blogs and forums to suddenly go "nahhh". because that price raise suddenly changes the value proposition. With the new price, for what they are delivering, I no longer think that there's sufficient value in the rMBP to warrant its purchase

Again, sticker price is not a very good measurement of the real cost. The resale value of these machines will be astronomical. All considered, they're cheaper than most Windows laptop, and much better.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

I would choose totally different laptops than these presented as "competition". I would go for thinkpad. So such statistics makes little sense if it doesn't include real competition.

So you don't think that MS would say that they have positioned the Surface Book as a direct competitor to the MacBook Pro?

Riiiiight...

 

[vpro]

Did you know, FYI - money can also buy you a lot of praise and or prejudice. They can pay for praise to boost moral in the company, make themselves look bigger than life and make outlandish claims. Or make themselves look as though they a loss when evading taxes (wink wink), they claim a loss publically. Money and influence can be on the side of huge multi-national corporations, it's all smoke and mirrors

 

[ahireasu]

What some people don't get is that the pro in MacBook Pro meant that this laptop was with top of the line hardware, that was also what separated it from the simple MacBook... that and the price difference ofc.
Now days it seems that the pro in MacBook Pro is there only to raise the price, no more top of the line hardware.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Too expensive they said
No one will buy it they said
It does not even have SD slot they said.
But at least it have the 3.5mm jack...... they said.

No, actually, "they" said "WHY does it have a 3.5 mm jack when the new iPhone does not?", after "they" just finished spending a solid month hand-wringing over the removal of the very same jack on the iPhone!

Bottom line: People are insane.

 

[Nick11Mac]

Maybe we'll have a clearer picture of what the sales figures actually have been after the holidays. Right now it seems hard to separate the marketing talk from real numbers.

 

[Dave245]

The chart shows revenue numbers. Not sales numbers.

If you read the original article, it states that the MacBook Pro "outsold every competing laptop in just 5 days" https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/09/2016-macbook-pro-sales/

 

[Investor27]

I'm not sure which orifice you retrieved that $10,000 figure from; but as far as "no ports", you've got to be kidding me!

But to call a laptop with about twice as much raw I/O bandwidth of any other laptop, and which has given Users the Ports they will start seeing virtually everywhere starting about... um... now, and more importantly, will continue to see for the next several years as having "no ports" is both short-sighted and demonstrably incorrect.

Maybe in the Windows world, where people have to replace their computers every couple of years, you can ignore how product design decisions will affect the viability of a product over time; but considering the average length of time that MacBooks are perfectly viable, and considering the fact that CPU and GPU and Display advancements are undeniably slowing-down due to those pesky laws of physics, Apple's decision to put a bunch of identical, multifunction, high-bandwidth I/O ports, ports that will become increasingly more common over the next few years, will start looking pretty smart.

Maybe you should take a closer look at whatever orifice you call upon. But in the "Windows world," people don't replace their computers ever couple of years. The PC laptops have been consistently more powerful than the MACs, so that people don't need to buy a new one for 5 years or more, while saving $500 to $1000 at the same time. A maxed out new 15" Pro is $4,300. That maybe fine with you in your elitist, illiterate little world, but it's absolutely egregious to everyone else.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Well, these buyers obviously aren't PRO

And you know that how, exactly?

 

[brownbird]

Comparing the MacBook and MacBook Pro is totally unfair. This is apples and oranges, and the reason the MBP is outselling the MB it isn't because it's an amazing machine, it's bc the MB was a terrible, overpriced, underpowered POS.

 

[tatty27]

How many 'pro' users do their 'pro' work on a 15" laptop?

If I want to do work that's requires a pro machine I put my rMPB away and use my 27" imac...

Now please excuse me whilst I don my flame proof suit.

 

[Wild-Bill]

If you read the original article, it states that the MacBook Pro "outsold every competing laptop in just 5 days" https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/09/2016-macbook-pro-sales/

The article also says:

It wasn’t all good news for Apple: the data also showed that not everyone could wait for the company to finally update its pro models. Of those who bought an Apple laptop in 2014, some 40% had since bought another brand.

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Schiller can market-spin all he likes. Apple has lost its way. If they were predicting such "phenomenal" sales, they would NOT have reduced the price of their dongles. That was damage control.

Desperation is a stinky, stinky cologne...

 

[zemaker]

Everyone forgets that Apple makes a lot more on unit sold than anyone else out there, just as same with the iPhone. This does not specifically list out the number of Laptops sold/preordered, this just says the revenue is up.

 

[Val-kyrie]

If this makes Apple see computers as a valuable part of their lineup, I'll take it. Now update the rest, please (and Intel get your ass in gear and get Kaby Lake out the door)

I like the new MBPro. The specs on the higher end ones are great, thunderbolt 3 is cool as hell. That touch bar, though. Ugh.

I'll admit I'm looking hard at it, and trying to decide if I can afford one. What I'd really like is a decent Mac Mini, or even a Mac Pro that's been updated within a couple of years - but there isn't one. Failing that, I'd like a Macbook with expandable RAM and hard drive - but there isn't one of those either.

But on the other hand, I can't keep using my 2008 Mac Pro much longer - It's already hurting me in looking for jobs and running programs I want to run. So... What's the best option? Is it better to stick with Mac OS (even if the computer is inadequate for my usage) which I like and enjoy - and have ~20 years of software for - or do I try switching to a new OS and having to get new *everything*?

I think we will see an update to the Mac Mini, iMac, and Mac Pro lines in (hopefully Q1 but likely 2H) 2017. Intel is just sampling Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X HEDT CPUs, AMD just released new workstation GPUs, and a new unified Skylake Xeon platform is set to release in 2017 with the "biggest platform advancement since Nehalem." This hardware just wasn't ready to ship in time for the October event. Given this, my bet is that Apple will host an event which updates all of its desktop lines at once.

I'm guessing that the average "consumer" segment is mesmerized with the new kit. Methinks real Pro users are jumping ship. Apple probably doesn't care. I think Steve's Apple was all about the device/experience. I think Tim's Apple is all about sales, and in that, apparently, they are succeeding.

There is a definitive difference between Steve and Tim and we are going to have to accept it. Steve was a visionary; Tim is a salesman/businessman. Steve was an entrepreneur; Tim is a manager. There may still be new products and new features, but I think the time where we saw significant breakthroughs in multiple markets is past. Apple is maturing as a company. Tim brings stability, even if it is not our vision of what we would like Apple or its products to be. As long as Apple remains profitable and sales remain strong relative to the industry, Tim isn't going to be fired by the board.

 

[myscrnnm]

Yes selling better than all the competition, except Apple's own 12" MacBook apparently.
Did people even look at that graph?

Did you read the graph? Those are sales of the 2016 MBP in the first five days compared to sales of the Retina MacBook since April 2015.

 

[truthertech]

Disappointing. This kind of feedback is what encourages Apple to continue like this. Unfortunately, they are not producing any Macs right now that appeal to me.

Yes, it's incredibly disappointing that millions of people will want to buy the new laptops. It's so frustrating that Apple keeps producing products that sell as fast as they can make them. We trollers spend a lot of time criticizing every thing Apple does and predicting doom for Apple and this just makes us look foolish. Why, we made countless posts on MacRumors about the iPhone 7 failing miserably, and now the latest forecasts are that almost a quarter of a billion people worldwide will buy it in the next twelve months. The depressing news simply won't end.

 

[navier]

What world are you guys living in? These prices are about on par with previous years. If you want a cheaper laptop go to Dell.

I bought my rMBP in 2012 for about $2500. The new ones include a Touch Bar, thunderbolt ports and a MUCH FASTER SSD and still around the same price.

I live in Europa, and I have bought a base cMBP in 2011 and upgraded to 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD way cheaper than Apple wanted to ca$h for it.

The situation is, in my case, not comparable at all money wise.

 

[Dave245]

The article also says:

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Schiller can market-spin all he likes. Apple has lost its way. If they were predicting such "phenomenal" sales, they would NOT have reduced the price of their dongles. That was damage control.

Desperation is a stinky, stinky cologne...

That's more to do with people not wanting to wait rather than the new MacBook itself. It wasn't Phil Schiller who announced this, he had nothing to do with this particular article, and the price of dongles dropped because Apple saw that people were unhappy with the price. There is evidence that the MacBook Pro's are doing well, there are 4-5 week waiting times on shipping which slipped from 3-4 very quickly. Also supply chains are ramping up even more orders from Apple.

We haven't seen sales figures or anything like that so we can only go off of what we think and predications made by these articles, but I for one believe that the new MacBook Pro's are doing well, most people it seems are happy with them and the majority of people do not represent those that have complained on forums like these.

As for Apple losing it's way I completely disagree, I think the Touch Bar is being underestimated, I also think that people are moaning because they can't get their own way, some people are still moaning about the lack of a touchscreen Mac, when Apple have said a number of times that they won't do it, they have even given reasons as to why they won't do it and yet people still want to moan.

 

[mschmalenbach]

PS
I've noticed Apple's graphs always chart sales by revenue rather than units..
Always makes their figure look better!!

You can't do things with 'Volume' like you can with profits...