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The current MBP values are gonna drop like a rock when these babies hit.
A leap to a new performance plateau.

sell sell sell!

Call me when the gen after this one comes out, perhaps with another redesigned case and dual i5s. Then I'll finally let go of my 3 yr old mbp.
 
If they use intel's Chips then they definitely have to use Intel's HD graphics.
However, (and i sincerly hope they've patch 10.6 to allow switching of graphics without logging out and back on) it doesn't stop them having a more powerful add on like the ATI 5 series.

I like the battery saving mode of less graphics power when using it unplugged, and the power setting when plugged in when i really need to put metal to the pedal.
 
I can't seem to find the review I've quoted before but the dynamic frequency scaling given the load makes the computer even more responsive.

Moving from a Q6600 to a Core i5 750 it does feel a lot more perky on the same hard drive and video card. TMonitor is something fun to watch.

Wow, that TMonitor looks nice! I'll have to try it out on my i7 rig when I get home. And if these dual-core i5's have hyperthreading, they'll essentially be quad-cores, which would be a must-buy.
 
Touting 'HD' anything but still without Blu-ray playback in 2010 = fail, as far as I am concerned.
Sony plays it close to the vest, I have a stand alone Blu-ray player myself and it's great.

But overall the sales are sagging and I would be shocked to see Apple buy into this fading technology.
 
If it was just the IGP in the CPU it will be pretty far behind the 9400M from what I've been reading. The core i5 desktop lines can sometimes keep up with other IGP solutions from Nvidia. I wouldn't expect to game on it. I think they even showed that the desktop solution could barely handle WoW at low res. this was in the hothardware review of the original release of the desktop core i3 and core i5.
ok i'm getting a little worried now..

i passed on buying a top of the line 17" last month because i learned that a refresh was coming soon. surely they wouldn't release anything that was less than or equal to current gpu performance, would they?? both integrated and discrete would have to be upgraded right? i mean if not, that just makes no sense to me.
 
Hmm... To sell my 3 week old 13.3" UMBP on Craigslist..(Since I'm past 14 day return) - now... Or wait...

If I sell now, I can get pretty darn close to what I paid..

If I wait until launch day, people will be dumping their previous gen on there...

Anyone have any ideas what the delta usually is in most markets on Craigslist?

I probably don't need the new one, but I do a lot of divx/xvid encoding on my machine, and if the benchmarks are correct, the new processors will be 25% faster for video encoding which would be really sweet... Given that it now takes 1 hour to encode most dvd's, shaving 15 minutes off that would be awesome!
 
ok i'm getting a little worried now..

i passed on buying a top of the line 17" last month because i learned that a refresh was coming soon. surely they wouldn't release anything that was less than or equal to current gpu performance, would they?? both integrated and discreet would have to be upgraded right? i mean if not, that just makes no sense to me.

You'll be fine with the 17", since it has dedicated graphics. The low power mode might decrease slightly in performance, but the regular mode using the dedicated graphics will at worst be the same and at best be improved because they use a newer card. It's the 13" model that people are worried about, since the current 13" MBP doesn't have dedicated graphics, and the new one will have decreased graphics performance unless Apple adds a dedicated card or something unexpected happens.
 
F*&% F@#& F&*^ F@#$

Mac laptops are ruined if they put S&*^^& intel graphics in them. Looks like my next mac will be used.
 
Why is it that you're following MacRumors yet you just bought an MBP? It seems like it's been obvious for at least a month or two that the MBPs would be refreshed in early 2010.

Well everyone's situation is different. Mine is that my sister needed a computer for 1st day of class, I can't be without one for work, so I bought now so we would all have a computer and I will also be in a position so that I could return. That good enough reason for you?
 
Well everyone's situation is different. Mine is that my sister needed a computer for 1st day of class, I can't be without one for work, so I bought now so we would all have a computer and I will also be in a position so that I could return. That good enough reason for you?

Sounds reasonable.
 
You'll be fine with the 17", since it has dedicated graphics. The low power mode might decrease slightly in performance, but the regular mode using the dedicated graphics will at worst be the same and at best be improved because they use a newer card. It's the 13" model that people are worried about, since the current 13" MBP doesn't have dedicated graphics, and the new one will have decreased graphics performance unless Apple adds a dedicated card or something unexpected happens.
ohh, i see.
well that makes me feel a little better, but still seems kinda lame if the igp might not be improved..

on a separate note, how much time (if any) is there typically between the announcement of the official specs and when the new models shows up in the apple store? for instance, if i were to wait until all of the official information about the update was released, would i still have the option to buy a last gen model built to order from apple's website at a (presumably) lower price?
 
ohh, i see.
well that makes me feel a little better, but still seems kinda lame if the igp might not be improved..

on a separate note, how much time (if any) is there typically between the announcement of the official specs and when the new models shows up in the apple store? for instance, if i were to wait until all of the official information about the update was released, would i still have the option to buy a last gen model built to order from apple's website at a (presumably) lower price?

I don't think you can usually order the last generation model from Apple after the new ones are announced, since the online store generally starts accepting pre-orders of the new model even if it isn't available immediately. These days Apple doesn't let you customize much that other retailers couldn't do for you, though. I can't think of anything customizations off hand except the matte screen that aren't fairly easy to perform later.
 
Wow, that TMonitor looks nice! I'll have to try it out on my i7 rig when I get home. And if these dual-core i5's have hyperthreading, they'll essentially be quad-cores, which would be a must-buy.
It beats Core 2 Duo clock per clock and can give Core 2 Quad a run in certain cases.
 
To all those wishing for USB 3.0
It won't happen. Theres no need for it, and considering Intel have delayed USB 3.0 chipsets till 2011 i doubt you'll see any in a macbook untill next year. (that is if Apple decide to go down the intel chipset route unlike the nvidia chipsets last year.)

which is why the envy 15 now comes with usb 3.0 standard
 
Mybad. though there was a different graphics chip.

Anyway, in order to get USB 3 onto the Macbook pro's they will have to use a NEC chip or some other 3rd party host controller.

I am almost certain Apple would not want to add untested hardware and would prefer to either wait till either the next revision comes out and intel integrates their chipsets with USB 3 OR Apple push lightpeak in 2011 (with backup USB 3.0 Intel chipset)

Sure, they might get a little flack for lack of USB 3. But the biggest upgrade to processors since dropping PowerPC would far outweighs the negative press...
 
You spec junkies are nuts.

In day to day use, you're not going to see or feel any difference between a current MBP 2.8 and the new ones coming out at the end of the month.

When you're rendering video, okay sure. But most of the time? Not a chance.

You're simply wrong. Many of us in the "creative" professions use huge amounts of processor power all the time. For myself, the change from C2D to core i5 will cross a crucial gap where it might be possible for me to run very large Pro Tools sessions natively in a laptop instead of buying another tower. Every time a proc speed bump happens, I can have more plugins & busses in my sessions. It makes a huge difference to me.
 
You're simply wrong. Many of us in the "creative" professions use huge amounts of processor power all the time. For myself, the change from C2D to core i5 will cross a crucial gap where it might be possible for me to run very large Pro Tools sessions natively in a laptop instead of buying another tower. Every time a proc speed bump happens, I can have more plugins & busses in my sessions. It makes a huge difference to me.

Read what he said. A normal web-browsing, document writing, iLife-ing user is not going to notice a difference.
 
Intel just released a statement about this. They've confirmed it was a communications mistake and that the email should have referred to an HP i5 laptop, not an Apple one.
 
You're still going to want the features of Arrandale even if you encode a video once in awhile.

Why? My C2D is fine for me and has been fine for all the other video pros in the world - it's not gonna change!
 
Why? My C2D is fine for me and has been fine for all the other video pros in the world - it's not gonna change!
Hyperthreading alone is going to scale before you take Turbo Boost into account. I'm wary of even getting a Core 2 ULV or CULV when I can get Arrandale. Remember it's 2010.
 
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