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While I did see some function in some of the demos, others left me thinking the touch bar UI is a confused mismatch of an interface. Rotating objects with a touchpad seems unnatural compared to multitouch on the screen.

It's completely customizable, so the user is ultimately in control of what appears there. Apple is basically providing people with a vastly superior set of function keys, and I think most people would probably agree that many of the functions that are currently on physical keyboards are fairly awkward and limited compared to this.
 
Something I'm not noticing anyone talk about:
The graphics card in the 15" MacBook Pro is a workstation GPU. A Radeon Pro 450.

That's interesting. A little overpriced for gaming, but CAD folks should be going nuts right now.
You have to be kidding, only 16G ram, what workstation is going to work with that?
 
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why did the Uk prices go up so much and how did brexit push them that way? I assumed the uk pound was a strong currency

sadly pound is MUCH weaker now and it's going to stay that way.. nearly all manufacturer/retailers are adjusting their pricing up in pound terms to make up for this. usually it wouldn't change this much on an annual basis, but this is going to clearly be a period of weak pound for a WHILE

As for overall pricing in US I find the pricing pretty much the same as it's been since the rMBP came out in 2012.. yes, it appears higher today than LAST WEEKS 15" rMBP similarly equipped, but in typical apple fashion they'll keep pricing the SAME, save for a model that has been around for several years and needs a 200-300$ retail discount to keep selling.

The current pricing is about where we were back in 2012 for entry and upgraded models, and yet now one gets ALL the massive performance and feature increases for essentially the same money.
 
THOSE PRICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do they accept body parts as payment?
Luckily a kidney goes easy for 200k so I might be able to buy a midrange macbook pro 15''.

Now seriously. Did they just go insane? Except for the macbook, which is still underwhelming when compared to the macbook air, there's nothing in between.

Some brilliant guy in accounting must have said let's make up for bad iPhone sales by hiking up these prices. I think it's going to work.
 
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I bought my first Apple 1982 and had ever since Macs for me, my company, my family. My next notebook will not be a Mac. It hurts to watch Tim Cook wrecking that company. If you don't believe that strong companies can be wrecked by megalomaniac CEO have a look at Deutsche Bank.
He's not a megalomanic, he is a weak, visionless poor excuse for a leader.
 
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Oh God, the congruency:

a) Forget the Function keys, look, our Touch Bar; now, look, the function keys on the entry price point.
b) iPhone 7, the future is wireless. MacBook Pro, you need more cables, new adaptors for every input to USB-C
c) iPhone 7; no earphone jack. MacBook Pro; who cares about SD, HDMI? Look, an earphone jack
d) iPhone 7, USB to lightning cable to charge your phone. MacBook Pro, you need a £19 adaptor for USB to USB-C

This company is going to hell.
 
The prices in the UK are INSANE! I was going to buy my other half a 13" 512Gb Macbook Pro for £1,399 but I waited for the new model. WHAT THE HELL APPLE!!! a 13" 256Gb Macbook Pro just cost me £1749! Half the storage!
I was also looking at getting my daughter a macbook air for £849 but that just hiked £100 for NO change in spec!

Apple you went for your mad design "thinness" over spec and price. At this rate I won't be buying apple ever again!
 
OK lets compare prices.

Microsoft Surface Pro in Australia with i5, 8g and 256 is $2949 AU
13" MacBook Pro in Australia i5, 8g 256, $2699. AU

Hmmm...

For those saying Apple is over priced compared to Windows of comparable specs., well guess again!
Compare it to the Surface Book - MBP is cheaper, but doesn't have the dedicated graphics board.
 
Who lot of crying about Pro models from people that aren't pro users in here. If you don't spend 4+ hours a day in pro apps, you aren't considered a pro user.

Real pros don't cry about the price because these machines help them get their job done faster and better. If these new machines shave a couple hours after their work in a month, they've paid for themselves even if they cost 2x as much.

Too much of tom hanks?
 
No Iris Pro. IIRC I read elsewhere that Intel's quad-core with Iris Pro lacked VT-X(?) instructions and the quad-core with those instructions were only sold with Intel HD iGPU. Intel screwed over Apple on this and I fully expect to see an AMD APU in the next revision in 2017.



Mobile Zen is due 1H 2017.



I was a bit shocked to see Apple announce an LG display to use with the new MBP, yet they never really focused on it. If they can showcase Twitter, you would think they could showcase LG's display.

I just had a conversation with a friend of my at Intel about how I also expect AMD Zen APUs/FX processors for Apple. The difference between Tim and Steve is Steve [and this is coming as an NeXT/Apple alum] would have pressed AMD for a 6 month early lead on Zen exclusivity and knee capped Intel by announcing these Christmas products and demonstrating their power over Intel, at a lower price point.
 
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Enlighten me...
If you go back and look, historically young people (unless you worked for Microsoft in the day) could never afford Apple prices. Apple has never priced their products for the poor starving entering the work force people.

So how did they get an expensive Apple product? Think about it.
enlighten me.....
 
The prices in the UK are INSANE! I was going to buy my other half a 13" 512Gb Macbook Pro for £1,399 but I waited for the new model. WHAT THE HELL APPLE!!! a 13" 256Gb Macbook Pro just cost me £1749! Half the storage!
I was also looking at getting my daughter a macbook air for £849 but that just hiked £100 for NO change in spec!

Apple you went for your mad design "thinness" over spec and price. At this rate I won't be buying apple ever again!
All imported products will cost 30% more within the next few months - it's an effect of your choice to leave the EU and by doing so killing the pound. Can't have everything.
 
I would gladly trade the oled touch bar for retaining some "standard" connectivity. I was under the impression a "pro" model would be designed as a more versatile platform. In saying that, I suppose I am no longer the "pro" buyer that Apple has targeted for the new macbook.
 
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I bought my first Apple 1982 and had ever since Macs for me, my company, my family. My next notebook will not be a Mac. It hurts to watch Tim Cook wrecking that company. If you don't believe that strong companies can be wrecked by megalomaniac CEO have a look at Deutsche Bank.
How is he wrecking the company? Sales are twice what they were the last year Steve Jobs was CEO. The 12" MacBook definitely looks like something Steve would approve, and I think he'd like the Touch Bar MacBook Pro. He might complain about the clutter in Apple's lineup (too many iPad models, MacBook Air, old MacBook Pro still for sale), but overall I think he'd be pleased with how well Apple is doing without him.
 
Man, I could stomach the idea of them silently replacing the Mac Pro with the MacBook Pro (price wise and the Radeon Pro), but no 32GB is a serious bummer. For that price, I'm expecting premium! Read: slightly overspeced for my use cases.

So what are the chances of them doing a good old fashioned silent upgrade next year to a 32GB config?
 
More blame it on Brexit BS, John Lewis, PC World, Argos etc etc have not changed there prices.

Ah i see. Play the blame game, ignore experts, reality etc. Retailers are trying to force the lowest prices they can but its not sustainable and only damages business in the UK. Every price increase will hurt much more.

Wait till you see the 2017 model pricing. 2018 will be worse and so on. The pound falling should be the lesser of your concerns.
 
I have had FWA (Full Wife Approval) for new hardware for a while now, but have refused to buy a new notebook which was already 3 years old.

I was so looking forward to this and yikes. Slight hardware upgrade, sure, but even for Apple those prices are insane. It's almost like they want to price themselves out of the market so they can stop selling them altogether.


Oh.
 
Microsoft must be feeling really good right now with their launch of Surface Studio a few days ago.

I have been waiting for several years to update my Mac Pro. I could never imagine I would ever buy anything but a Mac. Today I've decided to get a Surface Studio. All the innovation is happening OUTSIDE of Apple. They can't think their way out of a paper bag. Tim Cook sucks.

I hear you. The Surface Studio is the first desktop I've seen since the halcyon days of the G5 form factor Mac Pro + Cinema Display that has made me go 'I WANT!'. I've no real need for one myself but can understand the appeal. And as a Surface Pro 4 user for my Open University course, the Surface line are great machines. Windows 10 + Office 365/2016 + stylus has come a long way since the bad old days of Windows & Office. WHo'd have though Microsoft would be leading the innovation charge?

Ha ha ha ha Mac Pro base model went upto £2999..... £500 increase for a 2013 model.....ha ha ha. What a joke.

A £500 price increase for a machine that's not been updated for 3 years? #facepalm
 
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