But you would really only touch the screen if you needed/wanted to.. weren't they pushing the iPad Pro with keyboard? Same thing really
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It would also be damned hard to do.
Windows 7 was much more touch friendly (ie far fewer fiddly drop-downs than in OSX), and even that required the hell of Windows 8 for several years to even get reasonably touch-intuitive for Windows 10.
$1500 for an entry 13 inch MBP that is w/o the touch bar? wow....that is crazy. Apple, please do not close your refurb store, cuz I can only afford your refurb products that were couple years back. geez
And here is the dilemma for most Apple owners. They love the OS. I know I do. But I'm just fed up with the hardware situation and pricing. I have made a Hackintosh and it's working good so far but I don't know whether to just cut my losses and make a go of learning to love Windows 10 so I can cut the cord with Apple once and for all.
Ugh. This just isn't how I wanted it to end.
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I'm pretty sure that was on the cards / rumoured even before the event so that's not entirely a surprise - as disappointing as it is.
OT: To end the "Why is it so expensive in the UK?!" posts:
Your currency lost around 20% of its value compared to the USD within a year... The UK may be used to cheap imports thanks to the strong Pound. At least for now, those times are over:
Your current exchange rate is 1,2 and your VAT 20% means the USD store price divided by 1,2 to get the GBP price and add another 20% for the VAT. You end up with the same number. 1700USD notebook will cost about 1700GBP in the UK.
Your currency lost around 20% of its value compared to the USD within a year... The UK may be used to cheap imports thanks to the strong Pound. At least for now, those times are over:
Your current exchange rate is 1,2 and your VAT 20% means the USD store price divided by 1,2 to get the GBP price and add another 20% for the VAT. You end up with the same number. 1700USD notebook will cost about 1700GBP in the UK.
I'm used to expecting the Apple premium. What gets my goat is that the price and upgrade points are largely unchanged from three years ago. You're still gouged a few hundred to go from 8GB to 16GB, likewise from 256GB to 512GB.
These specs should have flowed down so that after these years you're getting 16GB for the old 8GB price and 512GB for the old 256GB price etc, and what was the premium for 256 to 512 is now the premium for 512 to 1TB. As it is, three years on and you're getting the same specs for the same, or higher prices. (yes, I realise that there are other improvements beyond the RAM and SSD capacity).
These specs should have flowed down so that after these years you're getting 16GB for the old 8GB price and 512GB for the old 256GB price etc, and what was the premium for 256 to 512 is now the premium for 512 to 1TB. As it is, three years on and you're getting the same specs for the same, or higher prices. (yes, I realise that there are other improvements beyond the RAM and SSD capacity).
The touch bar is a great idea, I get that. It's the price increase that is wrong. Mac's have always been justifiable with their logtivity, reliability, and the software that comes free with it that comes free when everyone elsewhere still charges for it. When they day started in the UK the base price for a 15 inch MBP was about £1,500, now the same laptop that is a little thinner and has a small touch screen with Touch ID sensor bumps the base price up to £2,500 for the 15 inch model, and the base price for the 13 inch model with touch screen and Touch ID sensor is the price the basic 15 inch MBP was as the day started.
So all in all Apple are asking me for £1,000 for 2 components of the iPhone which costs much less than that. The touch bar is not a problem, the price of it is.
And yet they just released a new version of a computer Apple calls the MacBook PRO.
IMHO, Windows 10 is a great OS that, unfortunately, is still associated with the old good Windows mess... Give it a try, I am pretty sure you will like it.
My biggest problem with it is the way it handles audio devices. Once you have experienced Core Audio on OSX/macOS, ASIO is a real PITA.
Does Dell have total lockdown on the beautiful edge-to-edge infinity displays they use in their XPS line? That's exactly the sort of minor thing with a huge "specialness" that could make people bite the bullet on these crazy prices.
Tim Cook doesn't seem to realise that I'm using a 2011 MBP, heavily upgraded, as my main professional work machine because new models are as much downgrade as upgrade. I usually upgrade my main machine every 2 years.
As a hobby I play in bands and record music and I nearly ditched Logic, even though I liked it more than Cubase, because I wasn't sure if Apple would suddenly drop it.
Tim Cook is a crap CEO if he's making it so damn hard for long-time Apple users to give him money.
Holy hell I just checked the prices in my country for this thing. This is insane.
Im gonna seriously have to consider if I should instead buy an iPad pro. But how is that for video and photo editing?
Or abandon Apple. Never thought I´d say that. But I cant wait for the price to drop to a reasonable level in two years.
I was half hoping they would go mobile Xeon to make it interesting. That would at least justify the pricing. Skylake core processors now at the end of 2016? Did the R&D of the touch bar really take 15 months since the release of Skylake processors? More realistically Apple has gotten greedy and realizes they can sell old processors for the same price and not pay the Intel tax.
In the developers world (and probably in many other pro communities), people strive to move their arms and hands as seldom as possible. They aim to have their hands on the keyboard and not touch the mouse. Having to lift their arm to touch the screen is an 180 degree opposition to this productivity principle. Even if you have to "only" lift your arms 20 or 30 times (and that is a rather very conservative number if you were to really use touchscreen) a day, that adds up during a whole year of work. And that is A LOT.
"if you needed/wanted to..." Trust me, you do NOT want to.
Touchscreen is great on tablets or table PCs; on an upright screen in 8-hours work days, it is nonsense.
After 15 years of being a Mac user I honestly think that's me done. I have the mid 2012 MBP Retina and was looking to upgrade it today but who in their right mind who with those specs and for THAT price. I'm a video editor for a living and going to start doing some serious research into changing teams. I'm already using Adobe Premiere so FCPX is no loss.
I already use it every day and have done since it launched. I was even on the Insider programme. I just don't warm to it in the same way as I do OSX. Just haven't got over Microsofts design style since Windows 8 - Metro / Modern UI just grates in my eyes
Now I see why Mac users hold onto their computers for so long... Myself included. At these prices most can only afford to replace every 4 - 5 years.
Myself included. At these prices most can only afford to replace every 4 - 5 years.You do know that folding would make you lose the physical keyboard? Then, you end up with a tablet which serves very different use cases.
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"Pro" does not mean for every and any professionals. That's a stupid argument.
Actually, before VAT, (talking about the middle-spec MBP) it's equal to $1772.39, less than US base price of $1799.
I bought a MSI 15.6
16Gig 970Nvidia laptop last year for £1000 and so glad i did, The only really thing I like about apple is their operating system. I really wish i could run in on my windows laptop(not interested in hackintosh)
16Gig 970Nvidia laptop last year for £1000 and so glad i did, The only really thing I like about apple is their operating system. I really wish i could run in on my windows laptop(not interested in hackintosh)
Is it possible is finally moving away from the Mac and focusing on iOS? now THAT would be a steve jobs move. If history repeats itself.... didn't steve jobs "allow" to fail before?.
Excessively so. There's a palm rest there for a reason. Making the trackpad that large, is going to cause a few issues with the palms activating the mouse and it jumping all over. PC laptops have the same problem with pads this big. It's annoying.