New MacBook Pros May Not Be Compatible With Some Early Thunderbolt 3 Devices [Updated]

[flappah]

Can any one please explain to me, how come the USB-C is the same as thunderbolt? I thought they are different just like Firewire and USB are different.

Plus, I have never seen a thunderbolt device, what can it do that USB 3 can't?

https://www.cnet.com/news/thunderbolt-3-and-usb-type-c-join-forces-for-one-port-to-rule-them-all/

"When built into a computer, the new Thunderbolt 3 acts as a "superset" host for USB 3.1 (at full 10Gbps speed), DisplayPort 1.2, PCI Express Gen 3 and its own Thunderbolt standard."

 

[cracksoup]

Okay now that Apple will perhaps finally understand their mistake, can we have the true successor to the real MacBook Pro now?

 

[ginuz]

... and the usb-c adapters and devices already compatible with macbook's usb-c?

 

[chfilm]

I feel like you're wanting to argue with me for some reason, and I don't really want to do that. But I'll say that having multiple 5k displays doesn't mean anything when you're not at your desk with your multiple 5k displays. And I'd be perfectly happy with a 15" if I wasn't forced to use dongles and hubs while I'm traveling between film sets.

I'm a Vfx pro too, and I seriously don't understand what your issue is.
You don't have to use dongles if you buy the right cables.
One hub isn't so bad, I always use one on my current old mbp as well for all the devices to use on a set.

What exactly is it that you can't do with the new MacBook that the razor will allow you too? A MacBook on a set can always just be used for preview work, otherwise I'd just bring my Mac Pro, which is absolutely AWESOME for this kind of work because it's so small and versatile because of Thunderbolt!
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Red Rocket in a Thunderbolt PCIe enclosure, up to 4 drives at a time (5k digital footage is ungodly large), Wacom tablet, etc. I will use every single port I am given. Apple used to make machines that catered to this kind of need, but they don't anymore. I'm not saying that's a bad thing for the average user. I'm just saying that they won't work for my purposes (or people like me) anymore. By all means, buy a new MBP if you want one.

So just use one hub and you're good?! Or even use thunderbolt drives so you can daisy chain them. If you're working with these huge 5k files you want TB raids anyway for the speed.

 

[Floris]

This tech went pretty fast, just not the adaption.
I have no problem that very early specific ones won't work. But yeah, if you have those it sucks.

 

[iBug2]

It's the most pre-orders made through the Apple Online store for a MBP. Given that 1) there were tons of people waiting for a new MBP, 2) you can't pre-order through any store other than an online store and 3) the last time a MBP was released, the online stores in certain regions (namely China) were barely up and running, it's not exactly surprising. It's a marketing spin (that seems to have worked).

What are you talking about?

Apple online stores have been up and running for a LOOONG time. The last time Apple released Macbook Pro's were 2015, not 1998. I have purchased all my macs since 2004 through the online store.

What are you guys smoking? This is not a spin.

 

[blackcrayon]

So, people that need one will have to wait a little longer to plug in a Thunderbolt 3 device, but people needing to use USB 3.1 or Thunderbolt 1 or 2 (with the adapter) *now* will have no problem? Doesn't sound that critical.

 

[NAYo2002]

As has been stated earlier, Apple is only partially to blame.

The devices talked about use the outdated TI controller which was never meant for TB3 devices. Only the new controller by TI is actually designed for TB3 usage.

Windows builds in support for this Frankenstein TB3 outdated mish mash, MacOS doesn't.

It's not entirely Apple'a fault.

I feel like people are more invested in adding misinformed comments than read this (on every page pretty much by different posters.) Probably doesn't help that the "article" still isn't updated with facts.

 

[maflynn]

Wow, you gotta wonder if Cook is extremely unhappy with how this all transpired.
People complaining about the touch bar, saying the update isn't enough, they're upset over the 16GB limitation, especially when you can buy a windows machine and have 32 GB of ram. The chime is gone and people are upset over that, some folks are bummed over the loss of the glowing apple.

The bad news keeps on rolling in, now some TB3 devices are not compatible. There's Gen1 teething issues, and then there's just bad news. This is the latter given all the other negative press
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Okay now that Apple will perhaps finally understand their mistake, can we have the true successor to the real MacBook Pro now?

Not under cook, just look at apple's hardware rollout, and see nothing will change.

 

[blackcrayon]

I feel like people are more invested in adding misinformed comments than read this (on every page pretty much by different posters.) Probably doesn't help that the "article" still isn't updated with facts.

Same with just about every article so far on the new MBP's. People whining until their eyes bleed without understanding the situation (example: limited PCIe lanes provided by intel's chipset which only lead to a ludicrous amount of bandwidth, instead of an outrageous amount, or blaming Apple for not using members of a CPU family that aren't on the market yet). And then, no matter how many times it's explained, people double down on whining and pretend they haven't read the technical explanation a dozen times.

 

[maflynn]

I m big fan Mac book but Thunderbolt 3 devices skiping has made me think..

For me, TB3 isn't a huge issue, because I'd opt for USB, as the costs tend to be more economical, but then at this point, I'm not looking at the new MBP simply

All I can say is thankfully it's so early in TB3's launch that all new products will know of this issue. This will be forgotten about next week.

Not next week, but yes, this is a bump in the road, however this is one of many bumps for Apple's MBP and that's the problem I see. This has not been a positive product rollout by any stretch of the word. Dedicated, hard core mac fans are upset, and this just adds fuel to the fire

 

[NAYo2002]

Wow, you gotta wonder if Cook is extremely unhappy with how this all transpired.
People complaining about the touch bar, saying the update isn't enough, they're upset over the 16GB limitation, especially when you can buy a windows machine and have 32 GB of ram. The chime is gone and people are upset over that, some folks are bummed over the loss of the glowing apple.

The bad news keeps on rolling in, now some TB3 devices are not compatible. There's Gen1 teething issues, and then there's just bad news. This is the latter given all the other negative press
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Not under cook, just look at apple's hardware rollout, and see nothing will change.

Oh "staff member" bringing on hate. This explains why the main "article" hasn't been updated with the fact that this crappy company wanted to be cheap and was using the TI chip that was never meant for TB3.

I get that you're angry, but you are not trust worthy if you won't publish all the facts. It may help your site visits by trolls who have no intention of ever buying Apple devices, but you'll lose the Apple fan base when the facts are known.

 

[maflynn]

Can any one please explain to me, how come the USB-C is the same as thunderbolt? I thought they are different just like Firewire and USB are different.

Plus, I have never seen a thunderbolt device, what can it do that USB 3 can't?

Its not but they share the same port
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Oh "staff member" bringing on hate. This explains why the main "article hasn't been updated with the fact that this crappy company wanted to be cheap and was using the TI chip that was never meant for TB3.

You mean, I cannot post that I'm disappointed with how Apple rolled out a new update? I must always praise apple even when they don't deserve it. I'm not entitled to think differently I guess

 

[blackcrayon]

The bad news keeps on rolling in, now some TB3 devices are not compatible. There's Gen1 teething issues, and then there's just bad news. This is the latter given all the other negative press

Are they really the same people affected though? I can't imagine anyone too offended to have to carry a $5 USB C to USB A dongle to actually be in the market for Thunderbolt 3 devices out of the gate. But maybe I'm wrong

 

[hogo]

What a cluster ****

 

[maflynn]

Are they really the same people affected though? I can't imagine anyone too offended to have to carry a $5 USB C to USB A dongle to actually be in the market for Thunderbolt 3 devices out of the gate. But maybe I'm wrong

Nope, as stated, I use USB instead of TB, just for price reasons. As I posted this is one of those typical teething issues, but because we've had so much other bad news, this seems like it must be raising the ire of Cook, I can only imagine him shaking his head on hearing this

 

[Rogifan]

Wow, you gotta wonder if Cook is extremely unhappy with how this all transpired.
People complaining about the touch bar, saying the update isn't enough, they're upset over the 16GB limitation, especially when you can buy a windows machine and have 32 GB of ram. The chime is gone and people are upset over that, some folks are bummed over the loss of the glowing apple.

The bad news keeps on rolling in, now some TB3 devices are not compatible. There's Gen1 teething issues, and then there's just bad news. This is the latter given all the other negative press
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Not under cook, just look at apple's hardware rollout, and see nothing will change.

Really? Isn't Plugable mostly a Windows vendor? How many people here actually use accessories from Plugable? Seems to me it just more knee jerk reactions that are just par for the course here.

 

[NAYo2002]

You mean, I cannot post that I'm disappointed with how Apple rolled out a new update? I must always praise apple even when they don't deserve it. I'm not entitled to think differently I guess

No I expect you to post facts. You are still completely ignoring that Plugable used a TI chip that wasn't meant for TB3.

 

[dantroline]

I wonder how many of the commenters in these recent threads are shills for Apple?

I mean, the responses are becoming so predictable. If there is a defect in the design or manufacture of an Apple product, it's either:

1. The customer's fault
2. The customer is wrong because they are too tight to buy an expensive fix
3. The vendors making products to spec are "windows centric" or some other derogatory reference
4. Apple is ahead of its time and doesn't need to think about any other company's products

Don't get me wrong. Apple have made great stuff, some of it the greatest, but really? Pathetic excuses for poor engineering just don't wash.

 

[The Mercurian]

Why? There are very few TB3 devices right now, and no current MacBook Pro works with any TB3 device.

Well ignoring all the many many other issues. Supposing I want to go out an buy some new-fangled TB3 device today. Which one do I buy ? Which one can I buy that works with the new MBP ? Oh what's that....I ahve to wait until someone checks out all the devices and makes a list. No -> screw that give ms something that works now please

 

[maflynn]

No I expect you to post facts. You are still completely ignoring that Plugable used a TI chip that wasn't meant for TB3.

Well, I guess you expected wrong, because I was posting my opinion. The editors can write the stories, I'm a volunteer who helps out moderating, but I'm also a member of MacRumors and as such I posted how I felt.

 

[NAYo2002]

Well, I guess you expected wrong, because I was posting my opinion. The editors can write the stories, I'm a volunteer who helps out moderating, but I'm also a member of MacRumors and as such I posted how I felt.

But why would you not acknowledge that Plugable used the TI chip that wasn't designed for TB3, even if you cannot update the post. I feel like I'm talking to fanatics or trolls.

A bit exaggerated, but we might as well have posts about how MacBook Pros don't work with Atari controllers.

 

[maflynn]

But why would you not acknowledge that Plugable used the TI chip that wasn't designed for TB3, even if you cannot update the post. I feel like I'm talking to fanatics or trolls.

A bit exaggerated, but we might as well have posts about how MacBook Pros don't work with Atari controllers.

Because I was commenting on how this bad news on top of the negative publicity must be annoying and angering Tim Cook. I don't need to respond to each and every person's post.

 

[NAYo2002]

Because I was commenting on how this bad news on top of the negative publicity must be annoying and angering Tim Cook. I don't need to respond to each and every person's post.

Sure, you replied to me three times but cannot acknowledge a simple fact? I see.

 

[OllyW]

Oh "staff member" bringing on hate. This explains why the main "article" hasn't been updated with the fact that this crappy company wanted to be cheap and was using the TI chip that was never meant for TB3.

I get that you're angry, but you are not trust worthy if you won't publish all the facts. It may help your site visits by trolls who have no intention of ever buying Apple devices, but you'll lose the Apple fan base when the facts are known.

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