What happens when Kaby Lake natively supports TB3? Is Apple still going to pop a TI chip in there?
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New MacBook Pros May Not Be Compatible With Some Early Thunderbolt 3 Devices [Updated]
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What happens when Kaby Lake natively supports TB3? Is Apple still going to pop a TI chip in there?
Just need the $69 Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 3 dongle.
All of you who ordered and are now second guessing.....cancel your order so that mine comes faster lol
Except this requires buying a hub, which you didn't used to have to do. This takes up more space, needs another cable to connect it and adds hundreds of dollars more to an already expensive laptop. So while it can be done, it's not without drawbacks.
MacBook Pro is blacklisting the TI chipset, hopefully Texas Instruments will take them to court over the matter.
Everyone understands it. The issue is about Apple's chipset choice, the design decisions that they made which made it necessary, and sticking 2 semi-ports on anyway.
It's is entirely Apple's fault: it's about the choices they made and the third party parts they chose. It's nothing to do with the hard limits from Intel: it's the Intel choices Apple made.
With online shopping going up year over year, there being an 18 month wait, and a lot of people updating from 2012? It could have just been updating the internals and would have been the most ever.
This issue is only about Thunderbolt devices. USB-C has its own whole host of complexities and non-interactions!
(but the USB-C issues are industry-wide teething problems, rather than Apple)
Okay, that's embarrassing, for sure... But could this just be a power issue, trying to boost battery life?—i.e., the drive draws more power and the wifi gets throttled? Stupid for sure, but also fixable with a software and/or firmware update.
take it easy, it is yes and no. at the base model apple used 15W CPU and 7th gen CPU 15W is available. http://ark.intel.com/products/95443/Intel-Core-i5-7200U-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-3_10-GHz
For marketing reason the base mode has 15W CPU, may be you think about that? and why two TB3 port instead of 4? Intel said so?
With most of the money coming from iPhone they just do not care about Mac. I am in for replacement for 2012 my mac mini which takes 16GB and the max on 2016 MBP is 16GB, go figure.
The only Macs with 32gb as a choice are ... the high end iMac and the Mac Pro. One is a year old and the other is three years old. Good to know Apple cares about their Mac users.
Maby someone write that the power extension cable is included just hidden under the plastic
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This is the old chip http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps65982.pdf , read first page under applications..
then this new one:
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps65983.pdf
under applications it says for thunderbolt 3 devices. does not say anything about that for that old chip
so sounds like plugable is the one to blame, they just trying to blame apple for their mistake
Well, at least the iPhone news was good.
Apples decisions on what to offer, and to make it incompatible with other hardware of the same generation (need to buy dongles just to plug in their phone or use ethernet), in the same ecosystem, is so abjectly stupid that I can hardly be surprised anymore that there are quality docking solutions out there that they basically chose not to support.
Apples decisions on what to offer, and to make it incompatible with other hardware of the same generation (need to buy dongles just to plug in their phone or use ethernet), in the same ecosystem, is so abjectly stupid that I can hardly be surprised anymore that there are quality docking solutions out there that they basically chose not to support.
Not talking about inherent problem of TB3 port here. But shouldnt Apple as a manufacturer have known about the shortcoming of TB3 and also the fact that there are many who rely upon the model for work, instead of using it as an entertainment center, shouldnt they? Apple is an end product manufacturer who put things together making design decisions, here decision being removing all legacy ports while never mentioning that their version of usb-c may not be backward compatible with many existing perpherals that people rely upon for their work. What do you mean by that they are half responsible for their own business decisions?
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Your mistake is thinking that Apple really wants to provide you an easy and cheap upgrade path. If anything, it is the opposite. They want you to not be able to replace the RAM or SSD or battery. They want you to buy a new machine in a couple years when 32 GB is available. Frankly, you are acting like Apple is not giving you what you want at a price you want so you are upset. This is how Apple operates and really has been for decades. Occasionally they do something sensible like license their OS or make upgradeable computers, but those are more anomalies than their "normal" MO. My suggestion is that rather than complaining in a random forum, write to Tim Cook's email address at Apple. If he gets enough complaints, then likely they will respond. Just don't come crying when the new Pro's Mac Pro laptop is $4,000 when equipped the way another manufacturer can do it for less than $2,000.
For apple not to include a USB3.0 port is unacceptable. USB3 is still a viable standard and is backwards compatible. I cannot justify a computer I need a dongle to connect a thumbdrive to.
not really, most of the folks buying will figure out all the dongles and others stuff slowly. and most of us are still using USB2/3 but it is going to strike when you try to connect your shiny new iPhone to new shiny new MBP (and need dongle...) that is disappointment.
I think this is what happened:
The first rMBP was at the peak of Apple's greatness imo.
At the time, they had the best design of iPhone, again imo. The Mac line as a whole was pretty solid, except for the MacPro. I think enthusiasm was pretty high with most Apple fans.
Fast forward to now, the iP7 is basically the iP6 SE. The Mac line as a whole is in the toilet, for updates, and downgrades. Watch bands get more attention than Macs. The enthusiasm of a lot of Apple fans are down. Bad news is followed by bad news, then followed by more bad news.
And this is all before the new MBP.
Now that it came out, the new MBP seems like an over priced, under powered, dongle heavy, non-pro system to many people that were looking forward to it.
Also, many people, like my self, thought the "hello again" event was going to be a Mac event, meaning multiple Macs. So, needless to say, we were disappointed. Not just at the new MBP, but at Apple for the direction that it looks like they are heading in. I hope they turn it around.
TL;DR: "What happened Apple"?
Tim Cook
No. Theres been a long-standing issue with USB3 and 2.4GHz Wi-Fi. Most machine use shielding to help mitigate the issue, and furthermore consumer routers come with a setting to limit USB3 speeds as well.
If it turns out that the MacBook isn't properly shielding its USB3 ports - they're basically screwed. They'd have done a straight up well known design flaw.
They can of course limit the speeds to USB2, but there goes the sale argument.
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