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Ha... What a complete joke, after all this wait "wait another year for the actual performance you've been hoping for and non-astronomical prices" I feel so bad for the people that were waiting for these. I waited 6 months to buy my 2016 12" rMB and it felt like forever. I guess it depends on whether you NEED or WANT a new MacBook Pro now...
 
And while this might look like a reaction to the Internet's reaction to the Apple announcements, this is probably a reaction to the announcements themselves. When you get new hard data (aka the announcements), you'll usually recalibrate your predictions.
Bayesian inference, FTW!
 
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Next year is the year apple is going to make all your wildest dreams come true

part of me is clinging to this. Less effort on this year's products due to concentrating all their effort/resources on perfecting the 2017 iPhone and macs... one can only hope
 
Umm no. All the chipsets support at least 32GB of ram on intel end.

Evidently Apple is sticking to LPDDR3/4 varieties. None of the Skylake (6th gen) chips for mobile use supports LPDDR4, only LPDDR3/DDR3L/DDR4. There is a reduction in power consumption going from DDR4 to LPDDR4 and Apple's excuse is that they did not want to use regular DDR4.
 
Correct. Unless Intel gets the appropriate chips to Apple ahead of schedule or Apple decides to use the"battery hog" RAM next year, we won't see 32 GB until 2018.

If it is true that 32gb is not available from Apple due to battery concerns, why is the memory soldered into the board, rather than removable and upgradeable?

A consumer can decide for themselves if they want to trade increased memory for shorter battery time.

The truth is, Apple doesnt want buyers to upgrade memory because they will keep their macbooks longer and not purchase a new one.

I cannot buy a laptop with only 16gb, so they have lost a sale to me, even though I would have purchased now if the new Macbooks memory could be upgraded, aftermarket.
 
Now we get price cuts, now we get 32GB of RAM? What the hell is going on at Apple?

About a week ago Schiller said they don't build the MacBook for price they build it for experience. Has he changed his mind ... is he now building for price and an even a worse experience?

In the article he mentions about Intel's cannonlake processor which will support 32GB of RAM and if that releases in time for Apple Upgrade cycle.
 
Anyone remember when the iPhone was first released, and was ghastly expensive.... and then some months later went way down in cost? I imagine this is going to be similar to that.
 
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I'm disappointed at the price and the outdated tech in this machine.

I expected more from their flagship notebook. Hopefully they quietly bump the specs by March to include Kaby Lake and 32GB options along with a price cut.
 
Too little too late. And really what's the point of 32GB on a 12" machine made for web surfing? Who does heavy graphics or processing work on a Macbook?

And it will still have that god awful keyboard.
 
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Anyone remember when the iPhone was first released, and was ghastly expensive.... and then some months later went way down in cost? I imagine this is going to be similar to that.
You're confusing revolutionary and evolutionary products. The iPhone was a revolutionary product release. The new MBP is evolutionary. People mocked the iPhone not just on price, but everything, because it was looked at as a toy. That there was no way it could do all the things it claimed it could do.
 
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riiiiiiight.

Who cares anyway? Apple seems to have lost their way with their notebook lines. Immediately after the new MacBook Pro introduction I rushed to the Apple site and ordered a top-spec 2015 13" model (3.1GHz, 16GB, 1TB), so that should hold me for a while.

The latest versions of Apple notebooks will be obsolete before USB-C is ready for widespread adoption.
 
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Anyone remember when the iPhone was first released, and was ghastly expensive.... and then some months later went way down in cost? I imagine this is going to be similar to that.

Actually, I do, because I bought one. And it wasn't ghastly expensive ($499 and $599)...it was the first mainstream phone to be sold without carrier subsidies (Steve's bold idea). All phones in 2007 cost about the same price, it's just that Apple tried to push the marketplace into unsubsidized phones in lieu of carrier subsidies. They soon backtracked, and it has taken carriers about 8 years to come around to the idea again.
 
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This is the fastest I have ever seen Ming-Chi Kuo post info after an Apple event, and about the product announced in that event. Apparently the anger from the "hello, again" event is so much that Ming-Chi Kuo is already posting info on the August-Septmeber 2017 MacBook Pro spec-bump in order to attempt to calm people down.
 
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Yeah, It's like they actually listened to all the people on these forums asking when the next MBP update would be, when they really shouldn't. They should just wait and get it right. No matter how much we complain. Because we really don't know what we want. We just know we want it.

I think they were kinda forced. I dunno. Thunderbolt 3 is a bigger deal than I think a lot of people get and it's a chicken and egg issue as well. So they had a couple options:

1. Spec bump the current rMBP.
2. Spec bump the current rMBP and just replace Thunderbolt 2 with Thunderbolt 3/USB and have this weird between generations laptop.
3. Release this machine before the ideal hardware was available.

They had to update something. They had to do something consistent with their operating procedures. They do have stockholders.

I'd say they made the right choice overall, just not one I'm gonna buy.

I really like the new machine from what I can see though I wanna see them live and screw around first. However, I generally only upgrade every few years so I tend to max out machines and the cost to do so on these—especially the 13" models—was just too much when I knew full well that price drops on the second gen were likely (I can already hear Schiller making the bold announcement about dropping the price) and that the accessory market would be greater. That's also important because Apple went full on gouge mode on the USB-C chargers. Yikes!
 
Yeah right, Apple and price cuts? Hmm.. how much does that three year mac pro cost now compared to at launch?
 
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