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With a numeric keypad, I don't need no stinking backlight-- the only time I ever find myself looking down is when I have to type a lot of numbers from the top row...

Couldn't agree more about the numeric keypad.

I travel a lot for work and have gotten to the point where my iPad can replace my laptop 99% of the time. However, I'm in finance and numbers are my world, so having no keypad, the current Apple BT keyboard is really a pain in the ass.
 
Why do people want a backlit keyboard, especially for a Desktop. You don't look at the keys when you are typing so why does it matter if they are lit or otherwise?
 
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Currently I love my logitech with backlit.
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Six AA's came with the battery charger. One pair in the XBox controller, one in the "Magic Mouse", and one fully charged and on standby, ready to be swapped into whichever of the two runs out first. Is that just too convenient for me? You really don't want me as a customer anymore, do you, Apple?
 
The bluetooth efficiency of the new Magic Mouse will be rivaled only by its lack of ergonomics. :)

Haha, yes I cannot stand the Apple mouse, hate the thing, my hand feels like a twisted mess if I try to use one!

I know some people love them.

Also would be nice if the update got backlit keys, at long last. Give people the option to turn them in and off too like they do with the laptops.
 
I've never used a more pointless and less precise mouse ever! For the pile of cash you pay for it, you get gestures which are poorly implemented over the OS and the precision of a hammer.
 
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Let's hope the new Magic Mouse doesn't lose bluetooth connectivity all the time. Went through 3 Magic Mouse's because they all lost connection with bluetooth a lot with my 2011 iMac. Bluetooth is fine on my computer, I am using a Logitech Ultra Thin Touch Mouse now, and have never lost connectivity once since switching. Let's hope for a better Magic Mouse 2
 
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Apple should have employed the services of Logitech who actually know how to design a mouse for the productive worker, with comfort being the prime directive.

I have two MM gathering dust in a drawer they are so good.

So if Logitech makes great mouses for you, why should Apple have them build one with an Apple logo on it, instead of you just go out and buy Logitech mouses?

If there is a different mouse out there that works better for you than the one Apple makes, why are you stressing out over the details of the Apple one instead of just happily using the one that third party makes?

In any case, I think mouse ergonomics are not as cut and dried as some people here think they are. Are you holding the mouse wrong? If it is causing you discomfort or pain, yes, likely so. If you just aren't comfortable with it then it could be that you just need a differently shaped mouse.

Apple mouses are not and have not ever been (at least in the post-hockey-puck era) designed to be held in the center of the palm like one would a Microsoft or Logitech "ergonomic" mouse; they have been designed to float at the fingertips. And, yes, if you are constantly picking your mouse up you need to adjust its sensitivity settings; that isn't a comfortable operation with any mouse, but especially not the type that Apple sells.

So far as ergonomics go, the golden rule is that you need to make sure your wrist is kept straight both horizontally and vertically while operating the mouse. Personally, I find this easier with the small fingertip mouse or a trackpad than with the big bulbous "ergonomic" mouse designs (for those to keep my wrist straight I need an elevated wrist support, which I find uncomfortable). But, if that is the mouse design that your hands need to maintain a straight wrist then you should be looking at those designs. There are dozens if not hundreds of companies making them, with at least a good five or six quality efforts to pick from. Hell, Microsoft puts an "ergonomic" label on its "wedge" mouse which is intended to be held and used exactly like the Apple magic mouse, so if you feel you need an "ergonomic" label on something without carrying a big plastic bulb around in your laptop bag, there's even that option for you.

Some mouse makers claim that a "vertical" grip is better from an arm comfort perspective, but that seems to be completely not backed up by any scientific study. That said, if having your grip vertical like with a joystick is significantly more comfortable than having it flat like you are typing on a keyboard, then there are a number of options out there for you with that design as well.

All of which is to say that a good number of people find the Apple mouse design to be really comfortable to use. It isn't because we just made ourselves get used to it; it is for the same reason as there have always been a variety of mouse designs - various people find different ways of holding a mouse comfortable. If you don't like "flat" mouses, then look to other more full-spectrum mouse designers and see what Microsoft or Logitech has to offer. I won't tell you you're deluded by thinking that bulbous ball of plastic is comfortable if you'll show the same respect to me.
 
I hope the Magic Mouse 2 is infinitely better than the current Magic Mouse which is by some distance the worst mouse I've ever used. It's appalling! Apple got literally nothing right with the ergonomics or design.
 
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Never liked wireless peripherals. I can see it with the mouse, but for the keyboard it's just unnecessary (and I think a keyboard should as fail-proof as possible). Also, the magic mouse is a disaster. I bought one years ago and it's completely useless. It's like a mouse without the advantages of a mouse. You are much better off with the trackpad (which is better at any task that I can imagine. It really is).
I hope the keyboard won't go thinner. I absolutely hate the action on the new Macbook.
 
Backlighting is mostly useless on a desktop keyboard.

Numpad keyboards go for $5-20 on Amazon with free shipping, for the two times a year they are useful. If you need a num keypad more often than a couple times a year, then, yeah, get a non-Apple keyboard; I am sure they are not crying over losing that business. For the 90% of the market that is not doing data entry on a regular basis, the num keypad is an anachronism that doesn't need to be taking up desktop space.

It's useful for a lot more than just "data entry". I rarely do that, yet I use the numpad fairly frequently.

--Eric
 
Never liked wireless peripherals. I can see it with the mouse, but for the keyboard it's just unnecessary (and I think a keyboard should as fail-proof as possible). Also, the magic mouse is a disaster. I bought one years ago and it's completely useless. It's like a mouse without the advantages of a mouse. You are much better off with the trackpad (which is better at any task that I can imagine. It really is).
I hope the keyboard won't go thinner. I absolutely hate the action on the new Macbook.

Unnecessary to have a wireless keyboard?? Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I hate dealing with wires. They're either not long enough when I need to move my keyboard out of the way, or they're too long and get in the way.

And for those of us (maybe just me?) who use a keyboard with an iPad, even if I wanted wired, it isn't an option.

Maybe Apple can come out with a wired/wireless version to make us both happy. LOL
 
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