That's funny because I've owned about twice as many plastic notebook PCs versus plastic MacBooks, and not a single one of the PCs cracked in any way at all. Yet the Macs cracked due to heat and design choices.
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That's funny because I've owned about twice as many plastic notebook PCs versus plastic MacBooks, and not a single one of the PCs cracked in any way at all. Yet the Macs cracked due to heat and design choices.
I didn't paste the whole comment since it's long, and it's just a page ago ... but as a total life-long (23+ years) mac fanatic, I will gladly agree that you make solid points.
I also think some of my fellow mac lovers on this topic have been acting quite defensive. I know plenty of great, intelligent people who use macs, AND I know plenty of smart, cool people who use pc's. I long ago gave up my defensive stance that 'how could someone be stupid enough to buy a crappy pc'.
I guess I'm surprised so many of the posters on this thread haven't gotten past that stage.
There is no question that the HP she bought is not as good as the 17" MacBook Pro - but then again, MS is just taking advantage of this economy. I'm sure a lot of people who were contemplating a mac saw this commercial and changed their minds. A lot of people just care about numbers unfortunately (i.e. gb of ram, hard drive, etc.). The 17" MacBook Pro is crazy, and not meant for the average consumer, unless you have a lot of money or need it for work or something. There is no point in debating Mac vs. PC here since it's based on belief and subjectivity.
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In regards to what you've been trying to say, neiltc, i agree with you that ideally, macs would be as cheap as pcs, because all you would be paying for would be the hardware. And with PCs, that IS essentially all you pay for, however, the truth is, i, like most others here, am a mac user because i'm fed up with having to install avg free version on every pc i build for a friend, tired of clearing off (in three different reboots, no less) the microsoft office 2007 trial software, and tired of having to fork out as much money for a decent mac just to get a pc that doesn't have so many "inconveniences". I'm also a film editor and photo editor, but that's besides the point. You're right, the point of the video was to find a computer with a 17" screen, regardless of how terrible it may or may not be, and look, she found one. It's not like these ads are going to retrieve the ever-growing Mac share of the market, anyway.
In regards to what you've been trying to say, neiltc, i agree with you that ideally, macs would be as cheap as pcs, because all you would be paying for would be the hardware. And with PCs, that IS essentially all you pay for, however, the truth is, i, like most others here, am a mac user because i'm fed up with having to install avg free version on every pc i build for a friend, tired of clearing off (in three different reboots, no less) the microsoft office 2007 trial software, and tired of having to fork out as much money for a decent mac just to get a pc that doesn't have so many "inconveniences". I'm also a film editor and photo editor, but that's besides the point. You're right, the point of the video was to find a computer with a 17" screen, regardless of how terrible it may or may not be, and look, she found one. It's not like these ads are going to retrieve the ever-growing Mac share of the market, anyway.
You're entertaining. Why would someone admit something if their personal experience says otherwise?
Once upon a time before I had ever used a Mac, I totally bought the rock-solid-stability myth. What else could I do, I couldn't disprove it, and Windows (95/98) was horribly unstable at the time so it made sense that there must be a more stable system out there. Then in the 90's I started working at a web agency with lots of Mac users, and realized that crashes weren't so much an exception as they were a rule. I don't think anyone at the agency got through a day without at least one crash in Flash, Director, Photoshop and all that stuff we used.
In '05 I bought my first own Mac (G4 mini) and while OS X was certainly more stable at this point than OS8 and 9 ever were, it was far from rock solid -- the worst crash magnet probably being Safari, with Finder as a close second.
Leopard... yeah, very stable.
Then there's my iPhone which runs some sort of pocket version of OS X. Pretty stable actually, I've read a lot of horror stories but none of them have happened to me. Safari on the other hand (again with the bloody Safari) was hopeless for a long time. The worst part was that it crashed when you didn't do anything. You could go to a web site and say hey, this looks interesting, then leave the article on the screen and start reading, not touching the screen, and when you had read half the page Safari just went *pop* and you were sent back to the Home screen.
Both Windows (XP or later) and OS X are stable enough for anyone to get through the workday (one crash won't kill you unless you forgot to save since morning). I would not avoid either platform due to stability issues, and nor would I choose one over the other due to superior stability, because the difference between the systems themselves is too insignificant in this respect. The stability of the third-party applications you choose (the Mac version of any given app could be much more unstable than the Windows version, or vice versa) is much more significant and could prove a dealbreaker. Other than that, the choice of platform should be based on personal taste and preferences, application availability and other requirement-oriented factors. The end.
You know what, it doesn't matter if you or some other people here are having problems with OS X . The fact is that most of the Mac users have got no problems with it, at least not nearly as many problems as they had when they used Windows. That's why there are so many switchers, there's why they like to criticize the competition, that's why they want others to switch. Because OS X is better.
Of course there will be some people experiencing problems, but they're not nearly as much as the people who are having problems with Windows (even if we just took randomly some Windows users in the same number of Mac users).
And that's why soo many people have switched,
Designers: http://lowendmac.com/musings/08mm/mac-so-x-vs-windows-xp.html
Developers: http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/02/03/Certain_IT_skills_in_demand_despite_economy_1.html
IT Pros:http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/A7B61141107A07B3CC25758200701B92
Hell, even some WINDOWS DEVELOPERS prefer to work with Macs:
http://www.cio.com/article/486937/Windows_Geeks_Warm_to_Macs
While these are mere articles, and prove nothing, there is a reason why people are switching to Macs. Why would people pay "much more" for the same hardware, if the OS wasn't much better?
So I'm sorry but OS X IS more stable than Windows, and it IS better than Windows, and you're 'bad experiences' aren't nothing compared to the good experiences of most of the Mac users, and to the bad experiences of most of the Windows users.
Gizmodo's Microsoftfanboy has to reformat. Oops!
Oh, this is poor timing!
One of Gizmodos resident Microsoft expert and all around fanboy has to reformat.
http://i.gizmodo.com/5189373/a-cry-for-help-from-cranky-windows-guy
Oh, this is poor timing!
One of Gizmodos resident Microsoft expert and all around fanboy has to reformat.
http://i.gizmodo.com/5189373/a-cry-for-help-from-cranky-windows-guy
That sure is a big fanboy. We'll see how much he'll resist when this happens again.
It looks like a good advert to me. Anything that increases the pressure on Apple to offer lower-priced products is a good thing IMO. If no-one did it, Apple would only be tempted to raise their prices.
If youve been to many "fan" based sites, you would know what Im talking about. There are many people from the opposite camp here just to annoy the piss out of people.
Ive said it before and so has other people,
Why are they here.
Also what contradicting story?
Yes lots of people buy them because it makes them seem "cool".
Some people buy them to get away from windows.
Some people buy them because they can.
Some people buy them because it suits their needs.
They are all contradiciting, yet they have the same meaning.
To some extent, I agree with you, because if you look at the pricing trends for iPods vs. MP3 players, in the mid-2000s and even until now, Apple essentially silenced and is silencing those who complain about high pricing models for iPods. For example, if you look at the original prices for the first-gen iPod nano, it was $200 for a 2 GB model. This dropped to $150 to favor at 4 GB model at that slot, yet as the nano has progressed into what is now its 4th gen, you notice that the 16 GB model, which is advanced technologically, and is smaller in size than the first gen nano, is the same price for 16 times as much space. That is why some argue that Apple may follow this trend into their computer market. However, what must be noticed in this is that computers and music players are vastly different in market place; as can be said with PCs and Macs. Mac users save up for their computer, and cherish it. Most of my PC friends think of one computer as no different than the other, as I have built multiple computers for one friend in a year, one to replace the other. Since they are so cheap, it is feasible to do this. Mac users expect greatness, treating their machine as a piece of art, which arguably it is, PC users expect to have a computer, and anticipate failure while understanding it is simply a computer
They specifically said Labled, not logo. The legal definition of a lable is a legal document stated by the company to be of legitimate origins. Thats why Microsoft have their Certificate of Authenticity. It can be attached to the side or embeded by the computer.
Finally, someone got it. IMO, that's one of the best posts in this 100-page thread.
If they can force Apple, to lower the prices, that would be the best for the consumer!
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The fact of the matter is that CUDA is available now and has been for awhile, there are many apps out there that take advantage of it on Windows, while the Apple crowd still waits for Snow Leopard. On top of that, the MacBook is Apple's best selling computer. It was sold for roughly 2.5 years with GPUs that will not be able to take advantage of OpenCL in any way shape or form, basically making Snow Leopard's advancements useless to the current majority of Mac owners.
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Theres CUDA support for Linux AND Mac OSX
You dont know the Magic Of EFI.
Its obvious that the computers are made for snow leopard.
OpenCL's Natures means its not Hardware based meaning it can run on any Video Card which supports streaming processing.
I get my imformation from a close friend at The University Of Auckland. Not the web.
The fact of the matter is that CUDA is available now and has been for awhile, there are many apps out there that take advantage of it on Windows, while the Apple crowd still waits for Snow Leopard. On top of that, the MacBook is Apple's best selling computer. It was sold for roughly 2.5 years with GPUs that will not be able to take advantage of OpenCL in any way shape or form, basically making Snow Leopard's advancements useless to the current majority of Mac owners.
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Theres CUDA support for Linux AND Mac OSX
You dont know the Magic Of EFI.
Its obvious that the computers are made for snow leopard.
OpenCL's Natures means its not Hardware based meaning it can run on any Video Card which supports streaming processing.
I get my imformation from a close friend at The University Of Auckland. Not the web.
Wow!
More of the same BS from the dark lords of the evil empire...change the feckin record guys...please!!!!
if all you want is a big, chunky, word processing, net and video playing box, then great, go spend your £700 on an HP. Personally, If I had to buy a Windoze box i'd spend a little more and get a Vaio or summit.
I'm happy with the Macs I have and if you can afford the extra cost, why not get the best of both worlds and save yourself some headaches and hassles over it's lifetime (as well as some money...yep, you'll actually save money in the long run and you won't even have to change laptop in a couple of years).
Btw, I still own all the Macs I've bought over the years and they all still work like a charm (virus free too), even the little SEII...bless it LOL My 8 year old iBook serves my audio and video needs, because it's hooked up to my HDTV and amp.)
When I upgrade my MacBook Pro, it'll take over from the iBook and the little guy will be given a new lease of life elsewhere in the house as a media centre.
It's up to YOU which path you choose, choose wisely and you'll be happy, I did eventually and have never looked back since 1986...and yes, I'm also an official iPhone carrying sheep and absolutely loving the experience, which is flawless and pretty much hassle free (I also use the phone to control all my audio media stuff at home, login remotely to provide IT support, amongst many other handy little bits 'n' bobs.)
It's your choice...but please, for Gods sake make the right choice, an informed choice, not one clouded by others tainted views, be they a Windoze or Mac user...after all, it's YOU who will be buying and using the machine ;o)
More of the same BS from the dark lords of the evil empire...change the feckin record guys...please!!!!
if all you want is a big, chunky, word processing, net and video playing box, then great, go spend your £700 on an HP. Personally, If I had to buy a Windoze box i'd spend a little more and get a Vaio or summit.
I'm happy with the Macs I have and if you can afford the extra cost, why not get the best of both worlds and save yourself some headaches and hassles over it's lifetime (as well as some money...yep, you'll actually save money in the long run and you won't even have to change laptop in a couple of years).
Btw, I still own all the Macs I've bought over the years and they all still work like a charm (virus free too), even the little SEII...bless it LOL My 8 year old iBook serves my audio and video needs, because it's hooked up to my HDTV and amp.)
When I upgrade my MacBook Pro, it'll take over from the iBook and the little guy will be given a new lease of life elsewhere in the house as a media centre.
It's up to YOU which path you choose, choose wisely and you'll be happy, I did eventually and have never looked back since 1986...and yes, I'm also an official iPhone carrying sheep and absolutely loving the experience, which is flawless and pretty much hassle free (I also use the phone to control all my audio media stuff at home, login remotely to provide IT support, amongst many other handy little bits 'n' bobs.)
It's your choice...but please, for Gods sake make the right choice, an informed choice, not one clouded by others tainted views, be they a Windoze or Mac user...after all, it's YOU who will be buying and using the machine ;o)
As a few have already pointed out: A little ad on television is NOT going to 'pressure' Apple to lower prices.
The only thing that would 'pressure' them is a significant drop in sales, and so far, it doesn't seem like that's happening.
The thing is, I think most of us have.
It's Microsoft who haven't.
"Not cool enough to buy a Mac"
Oh my God.
Apple should do the fsequence:
Scene, same girl, in tears with her one month laptop at ''best buy'': ''Sir, i bought your laptop, and i thought it was great, but now, i don't know it is not working, the internet doesn't work, and the anti-viral software slowed the who thing down. It is full with viruses and my account details all have been stolen. Also all my friends laugh at me for being such an idiot... Can i have my money back so i can buy a proper laptop....
Scene, same girl, in tears with her one month laptop at ''best buy'': ''Sir, i bought your laptop, and i thought it was great, but now, i don't know it is not working, the internet doesn't work, and the anti-viral software slowed the who thing down. It is full with viruses and my account details all have been stolen. Also all my friends laugh at me for being such an idiot... Can i have my money back so i can buy a proper laptop....
Who cares?!
Who really cares?!
I'm glad Apple is nowhere near #1. I don't want every snot-nosed punk or incompetent idiot owning a Mac, because then it will water down the 'best kept secret' appeal. Like when the mainstream discovered Nirvana or forty year olds started wearing cargo pants.
Price means nothing.
If price were even a major deciding factor, then nobody would buy Armani suits or BMW's; and they'd all shop at Sears in their Daewoo Lanos'.
Is a 17" Macbook Pro BETTER than a 17" HP laptop? Of course. Most premium brands are better.
Are they WORTH the difference in price? Maybe not on a purely spec level, but the prestige is also a deciding factor.
I just don't get this ad.
"I need a handbag. Wow, can you believe Louis Vutton wants $2000 for their handbag?! I just found half a potato sack with a drawstring for 20c! Guess I'm not cool enough for Louis Vutton."
Damn straight yer not.
You can find cheaper everything if you look. But there is no way known that Microsoft can make 'cheap' cool. We live in a brand and prestige-obsessed society.
The people who go out and buy a HP laptop after this are the people who were going to buy one anyway. It's not like college lectures are going to be filled with HP laptops all of a sudden.
Besides, they used a redhead in the ad. The ginge just doesn't appeal.
Who really cares?!
I'm glad Apple is nowhere near #1. I don't want every snot-nosed punk or incompetent idiot owning a Mac, because then it will water down the 'best kept secret' appeal. Like when the mainstream discovered Nirvana or forty year olds started wearing cargo pants.
Price means nothing.
If price were even a major deciding factor, then nobody would buy Armani suits or BMW's; and they'd all shop at Sears in their Daewoo Lanos'.
Is a 17" Macbook Pro BETTER than a 17" HP laptop? Of course. Most premium brands are better.
Are they WORTH the difference in price? Maybe not on a purely spec level, but the prestige is also a deciding factor.
I just don't get this ad.
"I need a handbag. Wow, can you believe Louis Vutton wants $2000 for their handbag?! I just found half a potato sack with a drawstring for 20c! Guess I'm not cool enough for Louis Vutton."
Damn straight yer not.
You can find cheaper everything if you look. But there is no way known that Microsoft can make 'cheap' cool. We live in a brand and prestige-obsessed society.
The people who go out and buy a HP laptop after this are the people who were going to buy one anyway. It's not like college lectures are going to be filled with HP laptops all of a sudden.
Besides, they used a redhead in the ad. The ginge just doesn't appeal.
No amount of money would persuade me to go back to a full windows system
We have a couple of computers in our office. We have an old imac which is trusty and reliable. Also until recently we had a DELL. It had full support but now after a hard disk crash and numerous other problems its now been replaced with a gorgeous imac.
I am not a pathological windows or MS hater honestly.
I am running bootcamp and Vista is installed on a 40MB partition.
My OS X experience has been non eventful. I click the open application windows, it all responds straight away. No crashes, it is just working fine.
I HAVE to use Vista though as some of my software is MS. Well it was good for about a week. Now I went on tonight I had a red ballon pop up saying my PC was not protected. I click on teh info bubble and am told that Windows Defender has stopped working, somehow the fire wall has been turned off and my windows one care couldn't install an important update.
I have to restart. Ok restarted now my level of protection is amber. No way am I going to configure a backup or an email application on this windows partition.
I open up Dreamweaver ( I paid $600 for it and they say I have to buy a new OS X version from scratch if I want to run on my imac-) I open the other I need to run with it. (an FTP programe) Fine. I edit a page then go to the FTP to upload it. Its NOT RESPONDING. I wait it responds. I ftp my page.
I edit anotehr page in DW tehn go to the FTP and again its not responding. It is liek this for an hour. I then try to shut down the FTP and it won't . Its Ctrl, alt delete AGAIN. I thought I left taht all behind. Now on my clean Vista install on Bootcamp. The same old problems again.
Would I get a PC again, hell no.
Sorry, just wanted to vent. They can keep windows at any price.
We have a couple of computers in our office. We have an old imac which is trusty and reliable. Also until recently we had a DELL. It had full support but now after a hard disk crash and numerous other problems its now been replaced with a gorgeous imac.
I am not a pathological windows or MS hater honestly.
I am running bootcamp and Vista is installed on a 40MB partition.
My OS X experience has been non eventful. I click the open application windows, it all responds straight away. No crashes, it is just working fine.
I HAVE to use Vista though as some of my software is MS. Well it was good for about a week. Now I went on tonight I had a red ballon pop up saying my PC was not protected. I click on teh info bubble and am told that Windows Defender has stopped working, somehow the fire wall has been turned off and my windows one care couldn't install an important update.
I have to restart. Ok restarted now my level of protection is amber. No way am I going to configure a backup or an email application on this windows partition.
I open up Dreamweaver ( I paid $600 for it and they say I have to buy a new OS X version from scratch if I want to run on my imac-) I open the other I need to run with it. (an FTP programe) Fine. I edit a page then go to the FTP to upload it. Its NOT RESPONDING. I wait it responds. I ftp my page.
I edit anotehr page in DW tehn go to the FTP and again its not responding. It is liek this for an hour. I then try to shut down the FTP and it won't . Its Ctrl, alt delete AGAIN. I thought I left taht all behind. Now on my clean Vista install on Bootcamp. The same old problems again.
Would I get a PC again, hell no.
Sorry, just wanted to vent. They can keep windows at any price.
I didn't read the rest of this post, but something to the tune of £15,000 would make me abandon macs for ever.
That was a joke, fool. Quite a funny one too.
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