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New Microsoft Ad Campaign Targets Mac Prices
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Now seriously, Apple has to think in it's marketink target because not all of them can afford an Apple product.
If they put Blu-ray and hdmi output in mac mini, the wouldn't be able to handle the production. They will sell like cakes, sure.
PD: Sorry about my english,
If it's under warranty, call Dell. Most Latitudes have at least 3 year warranties.
If out of warranty, look for two things.
- a power connection problem - if the system moves or heats the internal power can temporarily disconnect
- cooling issue
One of the dozens of Latitudes that I deal with developed the "random shutoff" symptom. After a little closer scrutiny - "random" turned out to be "shuts off when you run 3D graphics". Just about any heavy graphics - even a 3D screensaver - would kill it within a few seconds.
That turned out to be a bad heat transfer pad between the Nvidia discrete graphics chip and the liquid heat transfer pipe.
"SpeedFan" is a good tool - monitor the GPU and CPU temperatures while you put it under load.
Also try the EISA or ROM-based system tests. These are accessed by special key combos at poweron or during POST. (For example, on a D620 power-off, then hold down the "audio mute" button while powering on)
The Macbook Pro cost £1,369.00.
As for the Dell 15" XPS
Components
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T8300 (2.40 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 3 MB L2 cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium SP1- English
1Yr Premium Warranty Support
2.0 mega pixel Camera & Tuxedo Black for CCFL Display
15.4" UltraSharp™ Widescreen WSXGA+ (1680x1050) TFT Display with TrueLife™
4096MB 667MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM [2x2048]
320GB (5.400rpm) SATA Hard Drive
NVIDIA® GeForce™ Go 8600M GT with 256MB dedicated graphic memory
Fixed 8x DVD+/-RW Slim Slot Load drive, including SW
Primary 6-cell Lithium-Ion Battery (56 WHr)
=£688.10
Could not configure 2GB ram as 4GB is minimum and the smallest HD they do is 320GB.
http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro?mco=MTE4NDY
Yeah apple is expensive compared to the UK... and yeah I was pissed at the keynote when the unibody MacBook came out and Jobs said about price descreases when infact in the UK it went up!
But if apple reduced the prices to make it comparable to PC's I wouldn't buy one... not because im a snob or anything but when you factor in the whole "apple experience" into the price it becomes a bargain!
My last 2 windows laptops (Sony Vaio & Acer) both lasted about 13 months! with AppleCare and my Higher Ed discount it should work out less per year straight away when compared to my other laptops.
Another note is whenever I've had issues previously you always get fobbed off with having to ship your laptop back to the supplier and wait for it to be repaired (this has ranged from 2 weeks to 3 months!). When comparing this to popping down to my Apple store (obviously distance will vary per person) then comparing the two the MacBook becomes a steal!
But yeah to cut it short.. I agree, shes not cool enough to own a mac
But if apple reduced the prices to make it comparable to PC's I wouldn't buy one... not because im a snob or anything but when you factor in the whole "apple experience" into the price it becomes a bargain!
My last 2 windows laptops (Sony Vaio & Acer) both lasted about 13 months! with AppleCare and my Higher Ed discount it should work out less per year straight away when compared to my other laptops.
Another note is whenever I've had issues previously you always get fobbed off with having to ship your laptop back to the supplier and wait for it to be repaired (this has ranged from 2 weeks to 3 months!). When comparing this to popping down to my Apple store (obviously distance will vary per person) then comparing the two the MacBook becomes a steal!
But yeah to cut it short.. I agree, shes not cool enough to own a mac
Firewire and Blue ray to really beat the **** out of the horse we have been flogging for past year.....
Microsoft would like to reduce the "buying" equation to purchase cost; the implication being that truly in all things, the systems are equal.
As a user of Apple and Microsoft products since both their inceptions, all I can say is that Apple's added value for me over the years has been profound and exponential. Much of the loyalty in it's customer base comes from users like myself who have used Macs in vertical application where the systems were tuned to ideal suitability. The clincher for me over the years was the "behind the scenes" savings, things not recognized the time of purchase; networking, reliability, OS stability, quality of software vendors, low security issues, remote management, early support of sophisticated RAID/SAN system, easy dual monitor support and early adoption of extended wireless network system to name just a few. I was able to easily utilize very sophisticated technologies (in their early adoption stage) without the high cost of MIS staff and support. I had hundreds of Macs and not a single MIS employee. Point people in individual departments were able to grasp the essentials of any implemented technology and fully integrate and manage the systems. I think this is an important and essential focus point in the Apple argument that most that have not used a Mac cannot appreciate.
I think the things that my business realized with it's partnership with Apple products are things individuals have appreciated on a smaller scale and subsequently the "devotion" factor is evident.
We've can be characterized as " fanboys, devotees, cool-aid drinkers, Jobs worshipers, etc..." . What Apple did for me was to save me millions of dollars over my 20 plus year career in graphic arts.
I'm not a blind loyalist. Every time I make a new purchase, it's a new game. No one gets a mulligan. Apple has continued to perform. As the focus of personal computing shifts from business application to lifestyle management, again Apple has proven to have a firm grasp on essential function and technology. The human interface coupled with ease of use and reliability (high consumer satisfaction rating) pushing forward with a multi-threaded hardware tsunami positions Apple to continue to increase it's marketshare with consumers more interested in using their systems than either understanding them or desiring to "tune" them.
My money remains with Apple. They do come off as elitist snobs at times, but at least they remain intelligent in their arrogance as opposed to acting like a power hungry buffoon throwing marketing money at problems rather than truly solving them. MS would do themselves a great favor to "retire" Balmer.
As a user of Apple and Microsoft products since both their inceptions, all I can say is that Apple's added value for me over the years has been profound and exponential. Much of the loyalty in it's customer base comes from users like myself who have used Macs in vertical application where the systems were tuned to ideal suitability. The clincher for me over the years was the "behind the scenes" savings, things not recognized the time of purchase; networking, reliability, OS stability, quality of software vendors, low security issues, remote management, early support of sophisticated RAID/SAN system, easy dual monitor support and early adoption of extended wireless network system to name just a few. I was able to easily utilize very sophisticated technologies (in their early adoption stage) without the high cost of MIS staff and support. I had hundreds of Macs and not a single MIS employee. Point people in individual departments were able to grasp the essentials of any implemented technology and fully integrate and manage the systems. I think this is an important and essential focus point in the Apple argument that most that have not used a Mac cannot appreciate.
I think the things that my business realized with it's partnership with Apple products are things individuals have appreciated on a smaller scale and subsequently the "devotion" factor is evident.
We've can be characterized as " fanboys, devotees, cool-aid drinkers, Jobs worshipers, etc..." . What Apple did for me was to save me millions of dollars over my 20 plus year career in graphic arts.
I'm not a blind loyalist. Every time I make a new purchase, it's a new game. No one gets a mulligan. Apple has continued to perform. As the focus of personal computing shifts from business application to lifestyle management, again Apple has proven to have a firm grasp on essential function and technology. The human interface coupled with ease of use and reliability (high consumer satisfaction rating) pushing forward with a multi-threaded hardware tsunami positions Apple to continue to increase it's marketshare with consumers more interested in using their systems than either understanding them or desiring to "tune" them.
My money remains with Apple. They do come off as elitist snobs at times, but at least they remain intelligent in their arrogance as opposed to acting like a power hungry buffoon throwing marketing money at problems rather than truly solving them. MS would do themselves a great favor to "retire" Balmer.
If Microsoft really wanted to make it cost-only, then Lauren would have told us the cost of the two 17" laptops at Best Buy. But she didn't, she picked the HP on features and looks. We don't know whether it was more or less expensive than the other laptop.
And, by the way, the ad is smart in *not* having Lauren pick a $999.99 laptop. It speaks volumes in this economy that she came in under budget.
You (and most everyone else) are also missing the point with the "MBP is better than the HP" whine.
If depends on what Lauren is looking for. If she wants a desktop replacement, and not a machine to pose at Starbucks with, then the weight and battery life of the MBP are of no value to her. If she wants the 17" screen so that she can watch DVDs in her dorm room, then the added resolution of the MBP is of no value to her.
The ad is about choice and value and budget - three areas where most Apple products are vulnerable. (Although "value" is subjective - if you need all of the added price features on an Apple, the "value" is there - but if you don't need them the value sucks.)
Do you not think that Windows 7 under Balmer is not "solving" problems, but merely throwing marketing money around?
And don't forget an affordable, expandable mini-tower using desktop parts, like the $799 Core i7 Dell Studio XPS.
In marketing it's called validation and reinforcement. It's often very effective.
That must be a huge source of comfort to all those how bought the defective designs.
if this ad even works to make people buy a PC - i guess it just goes to show you that the current population doesn't want to think for themselves.
if you want a 17" screen for cheap. go for an HP. great - you can see the blue screen of death on a bigger screen than a MacBook for the same price.
i knew this ad would stir up a lot of controversy on MR. i can't tell you how many threads argue PC vs Mac on here - and the truth is it's opinion. who cares. i personally have had less problems with a Mac than a PC and can download without being afraid.
in my opinion - MacBooks are better than a comparable HP laptop. but that's only for ME
if you want a 17" screen for cheap. go for an HP. great - you can see the blue screen of death on a bigger screen than a MacBook for the same price.
i knew this ad would stir up a lot of controversy on MR. i can't tell you how many threads argue PC vs Mac on here - and the truth is it's opinion. who cares. i personally have had less problems with a Mac than a PC and can download without being afraid.
in my opinion - MacBooks are better than a comparable HP laptop. but that's only for ME
The more I think about it, the more I have to wonder: do people really see these ads, and the Apple ads, and base $1000+ decisions on them?
Personally, I don't even watch TV on TV anymore, but if I did, I wouldn't even pay attention to commercials beyond a chuckle here and there.
It's really sad people don't do any research on their purchases, and are just a bunch of sheep.
I also think this board needs a rating system for personal anecdotes. We'll call it The Personal Anecdote Value Meter (tm). You see, you get a certain amount of points based upon experience with various computing platforms, brands, etc. It'll go right under your username.
Because as it stands right now, apparently some people's personal experiences are valued more than others, when really it's all just personal opinion. Not fact.
Personally, I don't even watch TV on TV anymore, but if I did, I wouldn't even pay attention to commercials beyond a chuckle here and there.
It's really sad people don't do any research on their purchases, and are just a bunch of sheep.
I also think this board needs a rating system for personal anecdotes. We'll call it The Personal Anecdote Value Meter (tm). You see, you get a certain amount of points based upon experience with various computing platforms, brands, etc. It'll go right under your username.
Because as it stands right now, apparently some people's personal experiences are valued more than others, when really it's all just personal opinion. Not fact.
BSODs and Kernel Panics haven't been an issue with modern operating systems for quite a while...
Your opinion is a sadly misinformed opinion. The BSOD hasn't been around since XP and Windows 7 is remarkably stable for a Microsoft product. This sort of reactionary windows bashing only makes us, as a community, look vapid and small.
Actually it is possible to BSOD Win7; happened to me last week, but I think it was due to a failed drive I was hooking up via SATA-->USB converter attempting to recover data. It did actually BSOD.
But Win7 is still in beta, so quirks here and there are expected. It's otherwise been very stable, especially for a beta.
BTW Steve Gibson's Spinrite is awesome; ended up recovering the data on the drive after it ran for 8 hours. Pretty sweet app, worth every bit of the $90.
You're both wrong. Who says the BSOD isn't still in Windows? It is! Kernal Panics still happen to Macs, both are just unlikely.
ssshhhhh...... keep that on the low.... lots of people here have not used a M$ product for many years, and they think that vista is utter crap cause Apple Advertising says so (see it works!). Image the shock and horror if they loaded vista on a system right now to discover it is very stable.... and do not even mention that the current MBPs suffer from Black Screens Of Death due to cooling issues... Cannot remember the last M$ BSOD i had, I do get constant Apple BSOD cause I game on my MBP.
Yup. Like I said, my Win7 machine did, so though I agree it's very uncommon, it did happen. Likewise I've personally experienced a kernel panic, but a friend has. So absolutes don't work in either world. Or Linux, for that matter.
Vista SP1 is stable, it's just slow as molasses compared to XP and Win7. And please don't use absolutes like "current MBPs suffer from Black Screens Of Death due to cooling issues" because they do not all suffer from this. Mine certainly doesn't, neither do any of the others in my company, and we hammer them with 3D rendering just as hard as a game would.
Yes, OSX and Windows do BSOD - but some of the "Windows is bad" comments that people say make it sound like *any* windows system is constantly crashing and rebooting. Anyone who uses any NT-based system knows that is not the general case.
Bad drivers, of course, will take down both OSX and Windows. It's a fact of computers that bad kernel extensions can cause panics. (Failing hardware can also - it's very hard for an OS to protect itself if the memory is bad or the CPU instructions don't do what they should.)
I had one system with one driver that BSODs Win7. Reported the problem and uninstalled that driver, now solid. Early Vista Nvidia drivers were responsible for most of the crashes in Vista - all fixed now.
Both "never crashes" and "constantly crashes" are false for both OSs. Crash rates are low for both, but not zero.
Love mac but you do one gates bailed out jobs right plus any jobs has add anothe 1-2 zeros after it. Seriously, I doubt gates cares. After years of inseure ads from apple, you can't take it huh? In a biokni read about bad bosses, jobs fit every top ten things to watch for ie making fun of competition.
Persnsllynsine all thea a are mobile chips plus it's $2000 to get into a
Machine with graphics, I have 2 MacBooks pros and a hack,plus mini crap update, no FireWire on MacBook, no dedicated gpu, lame mini update, overprice ram, graphic card and mac pro, plus years of stretching trut of benchmarks with ppc, and x86 saved them, add I thisn50 million iPhone contracts about to expire ( apple only cares about iPhone iPod anyway), plus one to one trainging used to be high end fcp, shake, motion but is now barking digs, crying babies and how to do email attachment, not to mention 1 to 1 trainers are clueles about pro apps, I hope apple fails and that win 7 is great, jobs apes down and we can start to see more powerful machines from apple. Having all this with palm pree soon is excelent timing. Looks LIKE APPLE MAY HAVE TO REAP ALL THEY HAVE SOWN FIR THE PAST FEW YEARS.
Karma time? Plus everyone makes fun of msft and programs yet apple tries one non apple thing, push and realizes how hard it is and still doesn't work. Amazing. Lol.
I agree completely. Unfortunately the forum members here are experts in dealing in absolutes.
I wish I could live in a world as black and white as theirs, but alas things don't work that way.
Well I have gone through four machines, all of them suffered by it. You do realize that you need to run the same program to prove the point. If you want to see if yours suffers from it, do the following. Install the latest World of Warcraft expansion, set all your settings to high and play it for a couple for hours, then tell me if you get the BSOD. I can replicate it every-time. The thin design contributes to the cooling issues, and yes I can absolutely say that the FANs do not kick-in fast enough, People who game on MBPs are forced to run third party fan controllers.
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