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The "laptop hunters" ad is about the best Microsoft ad yet, I agree.

But the "dumpster lunch" is one of the worst Joy of Tech cartoons ever.

The arguments here that "Lauren wasted her money on a $700 HP, she should have bought the $2800 17" MacBookPro" are embarrassing when you think of the families struggling to put food on the table, gas in the car, and heat their homes.

So many spoiled rich kids here, so little realization of how hard life is for so many people these days.

I guess that I'm not cool enough to be a Mac person either....
You realize that I may be one of the very few "kids" on this site right? Seems the average age around here is 30....
 
The "laptop hunters" ad is about the best Microsoft ad yet, I agree.

But the "dumpster lunch" is one of the worst Joy of Tech cartoons ever. Most them are stupid (at least since it changed to "Joy of Apple Tech" from real humour about technology), but this one is shameful.

The arguments here that "Lauren wasted her money on a $700 HP, she should have bought the $2800 17" MacBookPro" are embarrassing when you think of the families struggling to put food on the table, gas in the car, and heat their homes.

So many spoiled rich kids here, so little realization of how hard life is for so many people these days.

I guess that I'm not cool enough to be a Mac person either....

What in the world are you doing at a "mac forum" then?
 
The "laptop hunters" ad is about the best Microsoft ad yet, I agree.

But the "dumpster lunch" is one of the worst Joy of Tech cartoons ever.

The arguments here that "Lauren wasted her money on a $700 HP, she should have bought the $2800 17" MacBookPro" are embarrassing when you think of the families struggling to put food on the table, gas in the car, and heat their homes.

So many spoiled rich kids here, so little realization of how hard life is for so many people these days.

I guess that I'm not cool enough to be a Mac person either....

People these days just don't get that most of them don't need Macs to do what they do on their computers. I would wager that 90% of those who say such dumb and uninformed things about PCs could get by just fine with a $400 laptop bought at best buy without changing their workflow. What do you people do with your computers? Facebook, iTunes, some light html coding?
 
What in the world are you doing at a "mac forum" then?

I try to point out when people make errors in their claims about Windows - I'm sure that nobody wants discussions to be tainted by lies and mistakes.

It's also good that it helps to keep my debating skills honed, and I actually learn a lot because I usually research my answers to avoid making blunders.
 
I'm a kid too. And no, my parents did not buy this computer for me. I bought it with my own "hard earned" money.

Lol im not sure what the quotes are for, but thats the boat im currently in. I'm saving for my first mac, right now im on a Toshiba.

Ill be buying at the back to school sale.
 
The "laptop hunters" ad is about the best Microsoft ad yet, I agree.

But the "dumpster lunch" is one of the worst Joy of Tech cartoons ever. Most them are stupid (at least since it changed to "Joy of Apple Tech" from real humour about technology), but this one is shameful.

The arguments here that "Lauren wasted her money on a $700 HP, she should have bought the $2800 17" MacBookPro" are embarrassing when you think of the families struggling to put food on the table, gas in the car, and heat their homes.

So many spoiled rich kids here, so little realization of how hard life is for so many people these days.

I guess that I'm not cool enough to be a Mac person either.... and proud of it.
I have to agree with you, Aiden. And yes, I apologise for laughing at the cartoon.
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So many spoiled rich kids here, so little realization of how hard life is for so many people these days.
Yeah, there's a certain Marie Antoinette vibe to it.
You know, "let them eat cake".
you get maybe a year out a dell or hp or something, and then its so slow and clogged up with pointless stuff you have to get a new one or spend another year cleaning it off.
Right... and if your toilet gets clogged up, I suppose you buy a new house?
 
So I've been using my iMac for about 3 months now... the one thing that really really really bugs me is the COMMAND key. I have to press COMMAND + C to copy... meaning I'd have to MOVE my hand away from the usual position of my hand being on the eight home keys ASDF and JKL;. It's very frustrating to use shortcuts using buttons that are so out of reach. Why don't they just make it easier for us by using the control key instead of the command key? That's why the shift key is on both sides of the keyboard; so you can use both pinkies when you need to. Why can't I just press command using one hand and c using the other hand? Because the command key is in such a weird spot to even use it with my other hand. Anyways... how counter intuitive is that???

I hate it too, thats why the first thing i ever do is switch the cmd and ctrl keys in sysprefs.
 
News Flash

Steve Jobs took a 6 months "leave of absence" to address "health" issues...

Let's decode that message above.

Steve Jobs is spending the next 6 months away from everyday Apple operation to destroy the PC world.

Here's how it works.

He had been spending the last few months working in his dark garage building malicious codes that would destroy the PC computers. After months of work... he comes out with.... THE CONFICKER WORM.

"Conficker is a program that is spread by exploiting several weaknesses in Microsoft’s Windows operating system. Various versions of the software have spread widely around the globe since October, mostly outside the United States because there are more computers overseas running unpatched, pirated Windows. (The program does not infect Macintosh or Linux-based computers.)"

Well... the Steve Jobs bit is a joke, of course. But I really think whomever the author is... must be a MAC user attacking the PC world. Maybe he/she is one of Apple's employee!!!
 
You can see that MS are getting desperate, as they directly aim towards Mac in this ad. I don't believe that Apple ever once made a direct reference to MS / Windows in their ads...

:eek: :eek: :eek: Say whut?!

So did you miss "Choose a Vista"? Or "Advertising...advertising...advertising...fix Vista..."? Or the one where the PCs go to a group therapy session called "PCs living with Vista"? Or the one where the PC is holding the buzzer and buzzes it loudly every time the Mac tries to say "Vista"? Apple directly references the HELL out of Windows Vista. It's really no big deal that Microsoft is directly referencing Macs and Apple. Agreed, they are desperate, but it's more from trying (and failing) to salvage Vista's sh*tty reputation than from a bunch of goofy TV ads with John Hodgman and Justin Long. :rolleyes:
 
:eek: :eek: :eek: Say whut?!

So did you miss "Choose a Vista"? Or "Advertising...advertising...advertising...fix Vista..."? Or the one where the PCs go to a group therapy session called "PCs living with Vista"? Or the one where the PC is holding the buzzer and buzzes it loudly every time the Mac tries to say "Vista"? Apple directly references the HELL out of Windows Vista. It's really no big deal that Microsoft is directly referencing Macs and Apple. Agreed, they are desperate, but it's more from of trying (and failing) to salvage Vista's sh*tty reputation than from a bunch of goofy TV ads with John Hodgman and Justin Long. :rolleyes:

whats funny is justin long doesnt really use computers and doesnt care if its mac or PC, but John uses macs all the time (hes an editor for some paper company, hes also on battlestar galactica!)
 
My toilets are made by Apple so they never get clogged up. :D

no but they tell you to restart randomly

WTFerror.jpg


(with no error message to troubleshoot with)
 
Agreed, they are desperate, but it's more from trying (and failing) to salvage Vista's sh*tty reputation than from a bunch of goofy TV ads with John Hodgman and Justin Long. :rolleyes:
Well they're not so worried about Vista anymore since Win7 is being rolled out in May -- not the final product obviously, but the RC will be downloadable for everyone, not limited like Vista's RC.

These ads are about the Windows brand in general, past present and future. There will be a few more of these computer buyer ads (9 more I believe), they'll probably run all spring and summer and then they roll out the big guns for the Win7 release.
 
I try to point out when people make errors in their claims about Windows - I'm sure that nobody wants discussions to be tainted by lies and mistakes.

It's also good that it helps to keep my debating skills honed, and I actually learn a lot because I usually research my answers to avoid making blunders.

O my goodness. A missionary! also i find i more usefull to hone my debating skills with real people. You and that Swedish amoebe caracter troll on this site like windows campaign boys.

I am sure that you are aware that most apple users know the rights and wrongs of apple, windows etc. They do not be informed by your lot.

Leave then alone, find some real people to converse with and just be happy with your windows laptop.
 
Conficker.c threat tomorrow - April's Fool Day.

Yeah, I know, OS X is vulnerable to viruses and worms as well, however so far so good. Joke or not, I'll be sleeping well tonight. :p

Me too since my Vista x64 system is fully patched. Frankly I have no sympathy at all for people who don't keep their systems up to date and get pwned as a result.
 
His logic - "do you know what would happen if one character is wrong in a 'dd' or 'fdisk' command?" Any mistake could cost a ton of money - he didn't "bang" out the one-liners.

It's the risk of the business. One guy on our team once misplaced a character in a grep with cfgadm -f -c unconfigure somewhere in the pipe chain. Solaris boxes don't like being isolated from their disks and tapes.

But the Unix shell is so fast and sometimes all I do is grep for information which I process with awk, so it's still much faster than writing a Perl script to do the same thing.
 
Let's put it this way -- with 7 different aluminium models and one residual plastic model lingering around, which one do you think will be discontinued first (and soon-ish)?

Oh, I agree that it is more likely to go, but that doesn't suggest that there is any immediacy to when that might be.


Yeah but I'm not asking for advice on how to de-gloss an MBP, we were talking about production costs.

And when a 3rd party solution exists, the OEM doesn't need to incur the manufacturing & inventory control expenses of offering that solution themselves.

If you haven't noticed, Apple got out of the printer business years ago. Many people are probably surprised that they're still in the display business, but there's reasons for it: if nothing else, it is an element of industrial design that needs to be present to be used for product presentation.


That's one way to put it. Another way to put it would be "happy accident". C'mon, these machines were in the pipeline long before the economic downturn, if the bubble had popped a year later they'd still be offering this very lineup.

Not really: Apple has been very consistent in the conservatism of their guidance ... such that Wall Street has actually criticized them for it.

Next, just because most people didn't see this bubble coming didn't mean that utterly no one saw it coming. There were published warnings by analysts back in 2007. And while many may have ignored warnings, this doesn't mean that absolutely everyone had to have ignored them. As such, suggest you reevaluate what happens by "Accident" versus what wasn't an accident.

Next, Apple knew that they couldn't not refresh their products, and as such, there had to have been something in the development pipeline. And if you think through what their tooling implications are for the new laptops, you'll see that it took a page out of the 'Flexible Manufacturing' bibles: their variable costs are a bit higher, but their fixed costs are lower....amongst other things, this approach is minimizing their risk exposure for a serious contraction in sales volume: its a "Recession-Proofing" strategy.

There were also many comments posted here in MacRumors of "Where's the New Stuff?" while not necessarily appreciating that with the slow-down finally becoming evident, the sales projections would have been off, so an extension of model life allowed for the inventory line to be cleared out. If you haven't noticed, there wasn't really much leftover inventory of the old models on Apple's website this time...the Mac Pro's being a particularly strong example.

And so on. If you start with the understanding that Apple's corporate philosophy for doing business is generally quite conservative and risk-adverse, you'll then recognize manifestations of this in many places: its even embedded in the current price structure of the new desktops too.

- I'm not a socialist. I embrace capitalism and its ground rules. While I never went to business school, you can run basic supply/demand principles by me without having to explain it like I was a 5-year-old.

Yet when I point out that Microsoft has a ~20:1 advantage in OS production volume, which invariably impacts operating costs by this 20:1 difference in the denominator for Fixed Costs amortization....you openly express cynicism and/or try to wave it off as insignificant, when it is clearly not.

- I'm not an Uncle Scrooge-type cheapskate.
- I wouldn't consider myself rich, but better off than the average and with a higher budget dedicated to gadgets than most.

Yet this still doesn't really address the stubbornness illustrated in the iMac warranty repair saga. You've made personal choices just so that you would have an "Axe to Grind", rather than to simply fix the problem.

- The prices of MBP 17" and MP are just about exactly what I would consider spending on computers -- if I'd go with Dell or some other PCs I'd just stuff them with more options until they're in the Apple price range, rather than save the potential surplus.

A statement that now clearly contradicts the prior claim of "übergreed" being present. If you can admit that two Apple products are fairly priced, perhaps more are ... or even all of them.

Occam's Razor suggests that because we don't have full knowledge of everything that's going on, the most likely explanation is that there's something going on that we missed.

- The time and energy I've spent discussing Mac prices by now is starting to get a little too disproportionate to my actual, err, "fascination" for the topic -- I'm not that bothered.

Having said that, I've been racking my brain trying to formulate why I, and obviously quite a few others, feel that their business model sticks out like an sore thumb among the business models of other premium brands... but I could babble on all day without putting my finger on it.

Suggest that you consider the question in a different light, by trying to identify the "WHO" that these other so-called premium brands are.

Afterall, amongst the other major players in the PC business who doesn't use MS-Windows? And who doesn't compete across the entire price spectrum (which means that they get dragged down into the 'commodity' price structure)?

There's this off-putting audacity to the whole thing, like they're not even trying to make it look like a fair deal, just stretching the limit of what they can get away with... like they were in a meeting right now, contemplating ways of making you pay extra for the packaging or else you'll get the computer shipped with the waybill pasted directly on the enclosure.

I agree that it is somewhat frustrating that they don't offer a cheap commodity 'xMac' tower for sale, but I also recognize that a big chunk of what they're doing is managing, manipulating, defining and protecting their 'Brand'. And more significantly, I don't see it as some massively malignant scheme: afterall, Mercedes doesn't sell their A-Class in the USA, nor does Audi their A1 or A2 series, nor does your favorite of BMW offer their smaller engine variants (eg, 316i, 318i, 320i, 323i, 325i, 318d, 320d, 325d, 330d). The reality is that there's solid business reasons why they do what they do.


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