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Did you guys hear about how the woman in the video is actually a known small-timer actress?

I'll dig up where I found it, if you guys want :)

Actually yes, but if you skipped the whole thread and just posted at the end, no :p

This has been argued to death already, also there is a poor cartoon take off of her in the thread....so no need to repost that for the 4th time....just filling in the timeline for those joining late.

We can do it..... 4000 posts here we come!!!!
 
This is a thread about an anti mac advertisement. Alot of us are here to point out how the ad, and windows for that matter, are flawed.

i dont think its flawed since look at how long this thread is and how many apple fans it made angry, thats probably the orginal goal.

and technically, Lauren is able to do the same amount of work on her laptop as she could with the $999 macbook and she gets lots of bonuses that you cannot get on ANY macbook or MBP

Card reader
express card
more USB ports
remote control
HDMI (huge bonus)
keypad

that $300 extra could of went to an mp3 player or a morgage payment.

but since lauren drives a VW, she fails.
 
This is a thread about an anti mac advertisement. Alot of us are here to point out how the ad, and windows for that matter, are flawed.

Its only flawed if you think Apple can't be wrong. The ad isn't about how Apple sucks or how a $700 entry level machine is somehow better than a Mac Pro, its about Apple's limited choices. If you want a 17" screen with Mac OS X, you either have to be a pretty good hacker or buy an extremely high end machine. Microsoft is just doing with these ad what Apple was doing with the get a Mac ads, taking advantage of the other's weaknesses. In Microsoft's case, its quality of software and image. In Apple's case its affordability and the very limited array of hardware choices.
 
Its only flawed if you think Apple can't be wrong. The ad isn't about how Apple sucks or how a $700 entry level machine is somehow better than a Mac Pro, its about Apple's limited choices. If you want a 17" screen with Mac OS X, you either have to be a pretty good hacker or buy an extremely high end machine. Microsoft is just doing with these ad what Apple was doing with the get a Mac ads, taking advantage of the other's weaknesses. In Microsoft's case, its quality of software and image. In Apple's case its affordability and the very limited array of hardware choices.

very well put.
 
I didn't say it's insignificant to them, I used a "backyard oil refinery" analogy to illustrate that it's irrelevant to the end customer. You have a disadvantage in OS production volume? Well boo hoo,

Nevertheless, because the 'backyard oil refinery' does have higher expenses and has to sell at a higher price just to break even, you judgementally claim that this is being "greedy".


then use iPod revenue to subsidize it or something, we're all out of tears here. Apple's own prices are what keeps the production volume more limited than it has to be, the customers never forced them into that catch-22

So you wouldn't mind paying an extra $1000 on your next VW so that you and 9 other VW buyers can knock $10K off the price of my next Porsche?


I still fail to see the "cheap" part, had I been frugal I wouldn't have bought AppleCare to begin with. It simply posed a practical problem at a time when I was working up to 16 hours a day to get a project finished, occasionally slept on my studio couch and was stressed out to the max. When you're minute-pinching like I was at the time, molehills can be insurmountable. Even setting up so I could fax receipts to Apple (sorry but I haven't used a fax since the 90's) would have been too much of an interruption, and that would only have been one small step towards getting it fixed. But the project was finisihed a while ago so it's not crazy crunching time anymore -- now you can just call me lazy.

Its understandable how we can get in a hectic situation and not able to hold up our end of a requirement...but to call a Spade a Spade, we then have to take responsibility for our actions, instead of trying to blame our problems on otehers.

Now you're twisting my words just to be Mr. Opposite (not the first time I might add). I never said they were fairly priced, I just said that those sums match my budget.

My apologies, I do see how that can also be interpreted from what you wrote.

Being willing to pay a lot and wanting bang for buck are not mutually exclusive.

Of course. And our difference of opinion is essentially precidated upon the relative magnitude of "value" that a change in OS is worth to each of us.

Of course, this will invariably be a YMMV, so there is no ultimately "right" or "wrong" answer.

The "übergreed" comment referred to their peculiar habit of selling premium products and being defiantly cheap at the same time. High prices alone do not constitute übergreed. You know how when you buy a Bentley, there's an umbrella in the driver's door that slides out elegantly if the rain sensor says it's raining? They make sure to add little details like that to make you feel shamelessly spoiled. Whereas Apple would just remove the spare tire and the electrical windows and eliminate all color options, and then ask for whatever the Bentley costs + 10%.

As was just expessed above: "And our difference of opinion is essentially precidated upon the relative magnitude of "value" that a change in OS is worth to each of us."

Thus, it is quite possible for others to see the Bentley feature as useless and not worth paying for, just as it is possible for another to see some feature in OS X that's "wonderful" ... or in Vista that's "lousy" ... etc, etc ... and upon these individual insights and preferences, conclude for themselves if XYZ is worth $ABC. Afterall, that Bentley uses the same gasoline and drives on the same public roads as a VW Polo.

Thus, you're welcome to your own personal opinion as to how much OS X is worth to you, but your right to swing your fist ends where the other man's nose begins.

...When the gas prices skyrocketed and the economy went down the toilet on top of that, Americans were suddenly very interested in small cars again so now Audi USA has brought the A3 back...

Except that "Effect" doesn't ever happen before "Cause" without a time machine. The facts are that the A3 was brought over to the USA in 2005, which was 2 full years before last summer's fuel cost spike.

...In other words, they sell whatever cars that any given market is asking for at any given time. That's the opposite of Apple, who try to dictate what customers want rather than adapt to the demand. Audi would've delivered that xMac tower ages ago.

Nice spin attempt. However, the facts are that Audi most certainly "...dictated what customers wanted..." by denying the A3's availability in the US market from 1996-2005.

Sure, you may claim that it was because the marketplace wouldn't want the car, but particullary you have no firm proof of that, you can't simultaneously try deny all possibility of similar business marketplace concerns as a possible reason why Apple made in their business decisions.


And in the meantime, you similarly overlook how BMW literally has imported the 3-Series sedans for years, yet very clearly "...dictated what customers wanted..." by constraining what motors they would offer in the USA market --- and BMW consistently chose just their most expensive motors.

Audi does the same thing as BMW: over here, the 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 and all of the TDI's are all cheaper (and more fuel efficient) motors, but they simply are not offered at all to the USA market. Over here, Audi only sells just their top-of-the-line (petrol) 2.0 turbo and 3.2 motors.

So why is Audi forgiven when they dictate to the customer only these most expensive choices, but Apple is not?

And it doesn't stop at just the engine on the A3. For example, a leather interior is now standard in the USA...we can't get cloth at all, even as a no-cost option. Similarly, the smallest wheels are 17 inch, even though the standard wheels in the UK are only 16"s. And the interior HVAS is only Audi's automatic one, while they still make & sell a manual one in other markets.

Ditto Mercedes.

But when Apple does it, you claim that it is somehow ... immediately unjustifiable.

And unlike Apple, for whom you're insisting that they make completely new models (figuratively: such as the xMac) which Apple doesn't sell anywhere in the world, I'm literally talking about Audi/BMW choices that are currently in production and currently available in other markets, so its not like we're asking them to set up a new manufacturing line...so if its all about pleasing the customer (as you insist for Apple), then why don't Audi, BMW, et al, simply offer what they already make & sell in other markets in the USA market too?

To be ethical, one has to be objectively consistant, and thus either damn none of them or damn all of them; by trying to straddle the fence, you only damn yourself.


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Its only flawed if you think Apple can't be wrong. The ad isn't about how Apple sucks or how a $700 entry level machine is somehow better than a Mac Pro, its about Apple's limited choices. If you want a 17" screen with Mac OS X, you either have to be a pretty good hacker or buy an extremely high end machine. Microsoft is just doing with these ad what Apple was doing with the get a Mac ads, taking advantage of the other's weaknesses. In Microsoft's case, its quality of software and image. In Apple's case its affordability and the very limited array of hardware choices.
Good post, good sig.
 
I really fail to see how comparing car manufactures is some how related to the computer industry. Both PCs and Apples share the same hardware. There is bugger all the same in a toyota and BMW etc..... IF i bought a BMW that had the same engine, transmission suspension etc as a Toyota but a sexy body, I would feel ripped off. When I drive my BMW i know it is not a toyota.

If you really want to compare them, Compare say a Holden and a Vauxhall, same car that has been rebadged and depending on the market, had a sports kit slapped on it. Or even take a Subaru impreza GLI model and compare it to a Subaru impreza STI.

Sorry but all these car comparisons are just lame.
 
I really fail to see how comparing car manufactures is some how related to the computer industry.

Analogies inariably have limitations, yet they can be useful to illustrate underlying points.

The underlying point was to point out the inconsistancy present in choosing to condemn one manufacturer for a particular practice, while defending another manufacturer for effectively doing the same exact thing.

Who is performing the practice should be irrelevant: either the practice is "Good" and everyone can do it without criticism, or it is "Bad" and no one should do it.

It doesn't matter what you decide (Good or Bad): the point is that once it is decided, it should be applied the same for everyone (all good or all bad).


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Thus, you're welcome to your own personal opinion as to how much OS X is worth to you, but your right to swing your fist ends where the other man's nose begins.
Fair enough.

Nice spin attempt. However, the facts are that Audi most certainly "...dictated what customers wanted..." by denying the A3's availability in the US market from 1996-2005.

Sure, you may claim that it was because the marketplace wouldn't want the car, but particullary you have no firm proof of that
"Spin"? Do you really need proof that Americans don't like hatchbacks?

Wiki said:
Although the high fuel costs of the time had popularized hatchbacks, it also created a lasting stigma, as many Americans only bought hatchbacks because they had to. Furthermore, the poor quality and basic nature of many hatchbacks gave them a reputation for cheapness - driving a hatchback was a proclamation that the owner was too poor to buy a regular car. So, as hatchbacks grew in popularity in Europe in the 1990s, they declined in popularity in North America in that same period. Detroit manufacturers mostly switched to offering small cars only with trunks and not hatchbacks; customers who wanted versatility began turning to minivans and later sport utility vehicles. By the early 2000s, the New York Times commented that hatchbacks were the automotive equivalent of sitcoms starring former "Seinfeld" cast members; "no one wants to be associated with them."
In other words, an Audi hatchback was the worst possible combination for the American market: A premium car that signalled you had no money. A German AMC Pacer. Who can blame them for not importing that?

I'm sure that there were some Americans who wanted the A2 or the A3, although at least they could've gone to another country (maybe even Canada?) to buy one. Each brand has a tailor made lineup for each market. Where do I go to get the xMac? Russia? Brazil? That's right, Apple doesn't adapt to any local markets. It's their way or the highway. Mac Pro for Luxembourg, Mac Pro for Ethiopia.

And in the meantime, you similarly overlook how BMW literally has imported the 3-Series sedans for years, yet very clearly "...dictated what customers wanted..." by constraining what motors they would offer in the USA market --- and BMW consistently chose just their most expensive motors.
Another American trait: Horsepower madness. Every single European car sold in America has an engine one or two notches stronger than its European counterpart. Of course, with gas costing half of what we pay, and zero regard for the environment (hey, with the "rapture" around the corner, who cares about tomorrow?), it makes sense. These 1.4L and 1.6L engines we get over here are considered toys, so they usually start at 2.5 litres in the US. I once read an American review of the latest VW Passat that featured the entry-level 2.5 litre engine, and the journalist was scoffing at how weak and puny it was. Apparently the problem was that it lost a little oomph when going steeply uphill (duh...). I wonder what he would've called our 1.6 litre, 115 bhp Passat - a bicycle?

Honestly, how many of Audi's potential customers in America truly wanted an A2 back in 1999-2005? 1%? (I should add that it flopped in Europe, the 75 bhp engine was too weak even for this market). Those sales wouldn't even have recouped the marketing costs. Compare that to the >50% of Apple's potential customer base who would buy the proverbial "xMac" in a split second.

Sorry, but there's way too much false equivalency going on here for me to buy it. You don't get to do the double standard victory dance.
 
well if NK is gonna launch their missle on the 4-8th it might as well be rapture/WW3

Yes... and the fact that the U.S. (who disapproves of everything North Korea does) has around 15,000 nuclear warheads at their disposal and Russia (who shares our sentiment and is within striking range of their missile) has 30,000 nuclear warheads makes the North Koreans a real threat. :rolleyes:

We would GLASS their country with conventional weapons if they tried anything and nuke the remains.

Please keep this in the politics board.
 
Rapture around the corner? Huh?
Just teasing.

I always wondered why Americans who produce 25% of the world's CO2 are the least concerned of all when it comes to the environment, driving giant Humvees that get 1 MPG when everyone else is frantically trying to change their ways.

Then it hit me: Of course, it must be all those rapture-humping Christians. If they truly believe that the world will go under any day, it makes sense that they don't give jack about the environment since they think it'll only be around for 10 more days or so, not 10 million years...

Again, just teasing.
 
Just teasing.

I always wondered why Americans who produce 25% of the world's CO2 are the least concerned of all when it comes to the environment, driving giant Humvees that get 1 MPG when everyone else is frantically trying to change their ways.

Then it hit me: Of course, it must be all those rapture-humping Christians. If they truly believe that the world will go under any day, it makes sense that they don't give jack about the environment since they think it'll only be around for 10 more days or so, not 10 million years...

Again, just teasing.

Well, everybody knows that Global Warming is a scam. Right?
 
Well, everybody knows that Global Warming is a scam. Right?
The jury is out on that one as far as I'm concerned, but we could take better care of the planet anyway even if there's no immediate threat.
 
Lauren doesn't like the Mac image, the "cool" comment was sarcastic.

Take this comment from Engadget



It's a little bit surprising that many people here didn't pick up on the barb....

(copied and edited from an earlier entry that's too far back for people to read)

Mate I'm British a during an ad break my primary focus is switching the kettle on to make a good cuppa. Therefore if this lady was being sarcy I would not have picked that up and I believe that to be the same for most people. Therefore I will still have seen the Apple logo and caught Laurens statement and not necessarily having seen the entire ad I would not have made the assumption that a sarcastic comment was bring made about Macs.
 
Lauren doesn't like the Mac image, the "cool" comment was sarcastic.

Take this comment from Engadget



It's a little bit surprising that many people here didn't pick up on the barb....

(copied and edited from an earlier entry that's too far back for people to read)

Mate I'm British and during an ad break my primary focus is switching the kettle on to make a good cuppa. Therefore if this lady was being sarcy I would not have picked that up and I believe that to be the same for most people. Therefore I will still would have seen the Apple logo and caught Laurens statement and not necessarily having seen the entire ad I would not have made the assumption that a sarcastic comment was bring made about Macs.
 
The jury is out on that one as far as I'm concerned, but we could take better care of the planet anyway even if there's no immediate threat.

I totally agree with that, but apparently some of our leaders haven't been informed about the "Global Warming not an issue" yet (our secretary of state for example). almost every time I hear the news I hear about "the threat of Global Warming" It makes me sick.
how gullible do they think people are?
 
I totally agree with that, but apparently some of our leaders haven't been informed about the "Global Warming not an issue" yet (our secretary of state for example). almost every time I hear the news I hear about "the threat of Global Warming" It makes me sick.
how gullible do they think people are?
Well, at least you don't live in the EU where the politicians have gone completely bonkers and plan to ban plasma TVs and regular lightbulbs (only LCD TVs and low-energy bulbs will be legal), and the tax makes up around 70% of the gas price (=U.S. price per gallon times 2).
 
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