New MobileSubstrate

[Harry2o]

saurik,

I am using a 3GS, FW 3.1.2, jailbroken with blackra1n.

When I updated MobileSubstrate 9 hours ago (I don't know the versions), I started facing problems. I will try to lay them out for your:

My iPhone is pretty new, so I didn't really have anything new installed: (official: Twitterific, Shazam, SpeedTest) Rock and SBsettings.

9 hours ago Rock wanted to be updated, which I did. Then it showed me, Mobile Substrate wanted to be updated, as well, which I did, and wanted to be restarted, which I did by clicking the button. Then the iPhone went black and showed me the iTunes screen (NOT the apple logo, but the iTunes connection cable). When connected, iTunes told me that I needed to restore the iPhone.

Since there was no way out, I restored.

Afterwards, I jailbroke again, installed Cydia this time (I did _not_ transfer a signature hash to their hash server) and updated it as it suggested fully. I kept from installing SBsettings. In other threads, people advised to install an older version of MobileSubstrate. So I wanted to use iFunBox in order to transfer the .deb file onto the filesystem. But since I used blackra1n, afc2 wasn't running. I installed afc2add via Cydia, but when it restarted, I _again_ got the iTunes-connection logo.

So I restored again.

After that, I jailbroke, installed Cydia again and updated fully as suggested by it. I installed OpenSSH, connected via Putty (changed the password) to see it worked. I transfered mobilesubstrate_0.9.3051-1_iphoneos-arm.deb via WinSCP to the Cydia AutoUpdate folder and rebooted via "reboot" via Putty. After it rebooted, I got the iTunes connection logo again.

So I restored once more.

After this, I jailbroke again, installed Rock this time, and then OpenSSL as it suggests at first start. I installed Mobile Substrate 0.9.3072-1, the iPhone reboots when I hit OK. It shows the apple Logo for a few seconds, then the iTunes connection screen and then turns off. When I try to turn it back on, same game, apple logo for a few, then iTunes screen.

Any ideas?
If I didn't need SBsettings, I wouldn't deal with this further, but I need it.

 

[Blinded]

I just lost major respect for that guy

yea that guy - i got better things to do then spending an hour getting my phone back to how it was.

...that's pretty much a fail in my book.

Wow...just wow. OK, I'll feed the troll because I'm bored. Your posts are fail. Do me a favor and refresh my memory as to what you've contributed and let's compare it to what Saurik has contributed. Why are you acting like you are owed something? I thoroughly appreciate everything all the devs have done, and to the countless people on this board who lend a helping hand I say thanks. 99.9% of the time all I have to do is a search on here and I find it's already been covered. A lot of people take time out of their lives to help out, I think that's awesome. You're probably too busy to read this though, but just to let you know, in the future you will probably run into a couple more glitches. No need to get your panties in a bunch, sometimes that happens. Here's to hoping no one else loses your respect.

 

[iPhone-power]

Wow...just wow. OK, I'll feed the troll because I'm bored. Your posts are fail. Do me a favor and refresh my memory as to what you've contributed and let's compare it to what Saurik has contributed. Why are you acting like you are owed something? I thoroughly appreciate everything all the devs have done, and to the countless people on this board who lend a helping hand I say thanks. 99.9% of the time all I have to do is a search on here and I find it's already been covered. A lot of people take time out of their lives to help out, I think that's awesome. You're probably too busy to read this though, but just to let you know, in the future you will probably run into a couple more glitches. No need to get your panties in a bunch, sometimes that happens. Here's to hoping no one else loses your respect.

Well said.

Where did he get his sense of entitlement ?

 

[s2darth]

I don't know why some of you people refuse to acknowledge that there was an update that causes some phones to become bricked. I updated my phone, it got bricked so I spent a few hours restoring it and reinstalling all my cydia apps. BTW - I'm using rock now which is 10x better than cydia. Anyway, I don't need to prove to you my worthiness. This isn't about me. What I contribute or not contribute doesn't change the fact that the update sucked for some users. It seems like there was another update which fixed the problem but let's not forget there was an update at one point which failed. You can continue to shoot these personal attacks at me but we both know that the update sucked and yes - saurik did create cydia and he does deserve props for that but it again doesn't change what happened to some users.

And yes - I know that everything you do on a jailbroken iphone is at your own risk, if there was an update for some cracked app that someone released on some underground repo, I would definitely be suspect before updating but this update was from the creator of cydia for christsake, who would expect that to happen. Anyway from now on, any future updates from him I am going take with caution.

 

[Vegastouch]

I'm not saying I don't have ANY respect for him. I'm just saying that level went down. Com'on if you make an update and it causes the phone to brick - that's pretty much a fail in my book.

And yes - this update definitely does brick some phones, that's the reason why this thread was created in the first place. After you hit the reboot button in cydia the phone hangs on the apple boot screen and shuts off. I'm using a 32gb 3gs 3.1.2 with blackra1n.



Yea I tried not to update blindly but again the dev doesn't even specify what this update does. And I'm not going to google every single update I do for everything.



and YES - if you create an update that bricks some phones you should (and deserve to) be bashed at least...

If you dont know what your doing, then maybe you shouldnt do it. You can ask questions here. That is what this is for.
You being lazy is why your upset.

 

[thelatinist]

I updated my phone, it got bricked so I spent a few hours restoring it and reinstalling all my cydia apps.

For the last time, your phone was not bricked, as you prove in the same sentence you complain about it in: a bricked phone, by definition, cannot be restored. You updated, there was a conflict with some poorly-written extension you had installed, and you were put into recovery mode. It's not Jay's fault that you got into recovery mode, and it's certainly not his fault that you don't know how to get your phone out of it except by rebooting. Did you even try asking for help before you restored your iPhone?

 

[psywzrd]

What's the general consensus on the most recent version of MS? Is it safe? Is it only the previous version that people are having a problem with or are some people experiencing the same problem with the latest version as well?

 

[polobreaka]

What's the general consensus on the most recent version of MS? Is it safe? Is it only the previous version that people are having a problem with or are some people experiencing the same problem with the latest version as well?

+1 id like to know how the latest version is. anymore crashes? is it all fixed yet?

 

[ViViDboarder]

+1 id like to know how the latest version is. anymore crashes? is it all fixed yet?

I think a lot of people were having problems with previous versions, but now only 2 people in this thread have problems.

Right? (Anyone?)

 

[ckong]

I just jailbroke my iPhone 2 weeks ago so this will be the first time I've updated MS.

What's do you guys recommended way to do this? Do Addons (Backgrounder, CategoriesSB, LiveClock, etc etc) need to be un-installed/disabled first, or just hit "upgrade" with everything still active/installed?

 

[darngooddesign]

You can just update MS without worrying about the other stuff.

 

[JazzG]

Imagine how I felt installing this update, just as I clicked update I stumbled on this thread and was reading that people were having problems To make things worse the device too a bit longer than usual to reboot, not a very nice wait at all!

No problems at the moment though.

 

[polobreaka]

wow i just did latest MS update and it went by with a breeze. it was quick and no long reboots. i believe the latest version is 0.9.3087-1. its working perfectly fine for me. just want to give a heads up for those still skeptical of updating. im on 3.1.2 blackra1n 3gs

 

[scirica]

I think a lot of people were having problems with previous versions, but now only 2 people in this thread have problems.

Right? (Anyone?)

Right! No issues here with the latest update. And the one previous to that, so I guess I didn't have the suspect conflict app in my inventory.

3 Cheers to Saurik!!

 

[Applejuiced]

I hear you.
Dont get me wrong we all love, appreciate and respect Saurik's and everyone on the iphone dev online community but they gotta take their time with updates like this before releasing them.
Im sure they dont want to be responsible for locking up hundreds or even more devices thruout the world cause they were not tested properly with many different variables before beeing released.
And Im sure noone wants to go thru restoring, rejailbreaking, syncing back all apps, music, videos, ringtons etc..... if their iphone is working fine.

I don't know why some of you people refuse to acknowledge that there was an update that causes some phones to become bricked. I updated my phone, it got bricked so I spent a few hours restoring it and reinstalling all my cydia apps. BTW - I'm using rock now which is 10x better than cydia. Anyway, I don't need to prove to you my worthiness. This isn't about me. What I contribute or not contribute doesn't change the fact that the update sucked for some users. It seems like there was another update which fixed the problem but let's not forget there was an update at one point which failed. You can continue to shoot these personal attacks at me but we both know that the update sucked and yes - saurik did create cydia and he does deserve props for that but it again doesn't change what happened to some users.

And yes - I know that everything you do on a jailbroken iphone is at your own risk, if there was an update for some cracked app that someone released on some underground repo, I would definitely be suspect before updating but this update was from the creator of cydia for christsake, who would expect that to happen. Anyway from now on, any future updates from him I am going take with caution.

 

[thelatinist]

Dont get me wrong we all love, appreciate and respect Saurik's and everyone on the iphone dev online community but they gotta take their time with updates like this before releasing them.

You are making a big assumption here. How do you know that Saurik didn't test his update to MobileSubstrate the best he could as an individual? He can't test every extension that hooks into Mobile Substrate, nor can he anticipate all the combinations of extensions people might have on their phones.

When you install alpha software (and this is alpha software, still being actively developed -- note the version number), you do so at your own risk. You should not and cannot expect it to be tested in the way that final release versions are; indeed, by installing it you are agreeing to be the guinea pig yourself. If you are not comfortable with the idea that the software is incomplete, you should not install it; and if you do install it, you've given up the right to complain about the consequences.

 

[Applejuiced]

He said it himself he didnt test every single extension out there thats why my assumption.
Either way its no big deal to me cause the work and dedication he put into everything for the jailbreak community so far well makes up for it. We can cut him some slack for a slip up here and there. Noones perfect.
But again you can see how some people might get irritated to have to redo the whole restore and jailbreak thing again .

You are making a big assumption here. How do you know that Saurik didn't test his update to MobileSubstrate the best he could as an individual? He can't test every extension that hooks into Mobile Substrate, nor can he anticipate all the combinations of extensions people might have on their phones.

When you install alpha software (and this is alpha software, still being actively developed -- note the version number), you do so at your own risk. You should not and cannot expect it to be tested in the way that final release versions are; indeed, by installing it you are agreeing to be the guinea pig yourself. If you are not comfortable with the idea that the software is incomplete, you should not install it; and if you do install it, you've given up the right to complain about the consequences.

 

[thelatinist]

He said it himself he didnt test every single extension out there thats why my assumption.

You really think it is his responsibility to test every extension any third party has decided to write that hooks into Mobile Substrate, no matter how obscure? As I said before, I believe that is an unreasonable expectation. Saurik said he tested all the most common extensions, even going so far as to stress the new version by forcing it to run these extensions inside of CommCenter on his own phone so that if there was a bug in the way MS worked he would know. You think he not only needs to make sure his own code is bug-free, but everyone else's too?

That's what alpha testing is for. Again, if people don't want to be part of the alpha test group, they shouldn't install any MS-dependent apps. That simple.

 

[King Mook Mook]

Bad News

saurik,

I am using a 3GS, FW 3.1.2, jailbroken with blackra1n.

When I updated MobileSubstrate 9 hours ago (I don't know the versions), I started facing problems.

Hi,
Harry2O I think I have some bad news for you. I think that you have one of the newer iPhones with the new iBoot version and hence can only have a tethered jailbreak. This means that whenever you reboot your phone you need to connect it to a computer and run BlackRa1n (http://www.blackra1n.com/) again and then the iPhone should boot up normally.

To test this you can do a couple of things. Jailbreak and don't install the update and try to reboot and if it doesn't then you can tell it is not MobileSubstrate. Also the easier way is to get into DFU mode (if you do not know what this means google How to Get into DFU iPhone) and then if you use Mac go into System Profiler then USB Devices and then you should see the iPhone and it will show you the iBoot version. If you have iBoot-359.3.2 then sorry only a tethered jailbreak for you. But if you have anything different you should be okay and that means there is another problem preventing the reboot.

King Mook Mook

 

[Applejuiced]

yes pretty much everyone expects when he puts out updates to work on every iPhone in the world not just his.
If he's the one putting stuff out on cydia it's his responsibility to make sure it don't screw up peoples iPhones. You want to argue more and beat a dead horse go ahead. Not everyone with a jailbroke phone reads online forums to find out what's up with every single cydia update before they install them, they just trust him and hit update.
All I'm saying is I know where "s2darth" is comming from, I'd be upset too if I had to spend 2-3 hours redoing the whole thing again cause of a faulty update.
I'm sure noone would be happy going thru all that again.

You really think it is his responsibility to test every extension any third party has decided to write that hooks into Mobile Substrate, no matter how obscure? As I said before, I believe that is an unreasonable expectation. Saurik said he tested all the most common extensions, even going so far as to stress the new version by forcing it to run these extensions inside of CommCenter on his own phone so that if there was a bug in the way MS worked he would know. You think he not only needs to make sure his own code is bug-free, but everyone else's too?

That's what alpha testing is for. Again, if people don't want to be part of the alpha test group, they shouldn't install any MS-dependent apps. That simple.

 

[ckong]

Thanks to all that replied. I'm happy to report no problems after upgrading MS to version 0.9.3087-1. Reboot time was less than 2 minutes.

 

[CarbonFibre]

Update to my earlier reply:

After installing 3087, and with the phone having been on the charger the whole day, within a matter of minutes of using Wi-Fi, it was down to 98%.
Didn't think too much at the time, but was slightly suspicious. Anyway, finished off doing what I was doing, and noticed it'd dropped to 61% after a fair bit of time had passed.
Put it down, went to sleep, and when the alarm went off, it was at 4%!
I knew it draining quicker than it had been with 3051, so decided to bite the bullet, and update to 3.1.2 via Pwnage.
Didn't go too well with the 2977 MS it pulls down, so with springboard crashing and the phone only operating in Safe Mode, I redid the custom ipsw, adding nothing at all.
Done the Option Restore (Mac user here) and all was well once more......except the bloody Wi-Fi!

Oh fark......why didn't I just leave well alone?, I thought to myself......just as well I didn't, because I may have found the resolution to the Wi-Fi issue - I don't know, but it worked for me.
So, after a number of Reset this, and Reset thats, I turned Wi-Fi off via its toggle switch, went back to the Home screen, then back into Settings. Turned Wi-Fi back on, input the network name and IP details, launched Safari, and hey presto - the default Apple bookmark loaded this time.
Job done.....phew!!

So, I set about reinstalling EVERYTHING once more, and aside from Icy, Installous, and Rock, Cydia was left alone, whilst Rock (and Icy on the odd occasion) was drafted in to action.
(Sorry for the long pre-amble, but we're almost there.......promise )
Rock still only has the 3072 version, but that's what I went with, [didn't want to tempt fait with 3087's higher battery drain issue, if it wasn't only an issue with 3.0] and proceeded to install all the other features I had on the phone.

And here's the gist of this long tale (I told you we where almost there) Cydia loads quicker than it has previously, the phone is very stable - in fact a couple of game apps work better than they were on plain ol' 3.0 - and best of all, the battery life seems to be superb.
Did my usual thing before putting the head down at night, over Wi-Fi, and left the phone unconnected at 96% (which was a major improvement itself compare to the night before), and woke to the alarm going off, with a level of 91%.
This is unheard of, even when back in the 1.1.4 days (I think) - so I just thought I'd put up some positive info on how 3072 is not necessarily the spawn of satan, and whilst I still refuse to Respring or Reboot via Cydia (been burnt too many times with it), a big thanks goes to Jay, for all his hard work.

Hopefully anyone still sitting on the fence over 3072, can take some comfort from my short, but ongoing, experience with it.

 

[fuzion11]

not sure if anyone has mentioned this or not yet...

But now, when in mobile safari, when I click on the bookmark tab at the bottom and it goes to the bookmark page, it still has the + icon and the bookmark icon as if they are being pressed (like when you press an icon it highlights or lights up, until you release it)

Anyone else having this bug/issue?



Secondly, would this be caused my the MS update or a 3.1.2 bug?

Thanks guys and gals!

 

[CarbonFibre]

Nope - just the Edit button over on the left, as it should be.

 

[scirica]

Nope - just the Edit button over on the left, as it should be.

Did you realize that right about the time you did all this Saurik reworked his Cydia database server resulting in much faster response times? That may account for the Cydia improvement you experienced.