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if the short side of the sim is just a tad shorter than the phone is thick, then the sim could be installed at 90 degrees to its current installation. this would free up a huge amount of space for the logic board or battery.
 
I guess in Europe its a whole different ball game than in the states.

This is why the EU needs to take it a step further and become the United States of Europe. They could call it Greecugal and it would save its citizens from having to carry an extra chain wallet with sim cards in it.
 
Of course, but it is myopic carrier managers who insist on sims.

It is funny even though apple was the one who wanted to eliminate sims still ended up essentially designing the new sim. That is called an industry leader.
 
And overall usability. I'm not sure how much thinner a phone can get before you can't really hold it. But I'm all for freeing up that space for some more bells and whistles. Or just a bigger battery.

Well an iPod touch is 7.3mm thick and a 4S is 9.2mm so I think they could still get substantially thinner and be usable. Plus add on a case etc.
 
What's the point of a SIM card if you're locked into using that one SIM card by your carrier anyway?
 
It doesn't, but it's a great technology for people who travel. They can get pre-paid sims and just pop in in their phone.

Indeed, I travel a lot and I always buy a local SIM, however it would be much easier to go to a web page and buy some credits/minutes for a given carrier.

I don't think this is impossible for today's technology and if I recall correctly some rumors about Apple thinking to get rid of the SIM have already appeared in the past.
 
Makes sense since you're going to be using the same towers no matter what sim is in the phone.

I could go either way though as long as its easy.

There are benefits of a local sim with a local phone number too.

Indeed, I travel a lot and I always buy a local SIM, however it would be much easier to go to a web page and buy some credits/minutes for a given carrier.

I don't think this is impossiblefor oay's techno
ogy and if I recall correctly some rumors about Apple thinking to get rid of the SIM have already appeared before.
 
I'd prefer a software solution, and I mean a real solution like buying a prepaid card with a barcode I can scan with my iPhone camera that unlocks a new carrier I can switch between in Settings.

But, if we're not going to get that, because it would make the carriers very sad, I guess we can live with Apple's new SIM design. Hopefully it will mean more battery life.
 
Christ on a bike...

For you :eek: :p
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I don't understand why these companies were opposed to Apple's design. I mean, they ape Apple's work at every turn anyway. Isn't this more or less Apple giving them the green-light to use one of their designs for once? And yet they fight against it. Maybe there's more to this than I understand, but it strikes me as a strange response.

As has been mentioned already, Apple's proposed design required the use of a SIM tray.

The SIM tray costs money to produce and would dictate how the phone is designed too much.

When you're making a $650 phone you can cope with the cost of a tray.

When you're making a phone aimed at developing markets, you don't want to have to spend money on something unnecessarily.

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But, if we're not going to get that, because it would make the carriers very sad

On the contrary, it would probably make them very happy.

Look at the CDMA carriers in the United States. Want to use a Verizon phone on Sprint?

You can't.

It's technically possible, but their policy prevents it.

This just can't happen with a SIM. I can (and do) swap to another carrier in seconds using a SIM. In fact, I can get my iPhone to use all 5 of the UK's carriers in less than 3 minutes just by swapping SIM.
 
The SIM card is unnecessary. Fully programmable, user switchable carrier selection is possible today. None of the carriers want to do this, but it's well within the realm of options.

Travel a lot? Just run the app to switch carriers to another of your contracted service providers. You could even keep your phone number...
 
Well an iPod touch is 7.3mm thick and a 4S is 9.2mm so I think they could still get substantially thinner and be usable. Plus add on a case etc.

I don't think apple is making products with the hope that you'll buy a case to increase usability.
I get your point about the iPhone/iPod difference, but isn't that because the iPod touch has the curved back?
 
Update: IDG News Service reports that Apple's design was indeed the winning standard.

Article Link: New Nano-SIM Standard Approved, 40% Smaller Than Micro-SIM

According to MacWorld, the winning design was confirmed as the Apple one by someone who was there.


http://www.macworld.com/article/1167052/apple_wins_battle_over_nanosim_standard.html

Ars Technica are also reporting that it is the Apple design that was chosen.
Assumptions by many sites.

Only the dimensions were listed in the ETSI press release.

Both the Apple and the Moto/RIM version have the exact same dimensions.
One requires a tray and the other has a notch for push/push use.

ETSI did not state which one will be used.

http://www.etsi.org/WebSite/NewsandEvents/2012_06_New_SIM_Card_Format.aspx

New SIM card format for slimmer, smaller phones

ETSI Headquarters, Sophia Antipolis, France – 1 June 2012

ETSI has standardized a new form factor (4FF) for the SIM card, 40% smaller than the current smallest design.

At its 55th meeting held on 31 May and 1 June 2012 in Osaka, Japan, ETSI's Smart Card Platform Technical Committee agreed a new form factor for the UICC, popularly known as the SIM card.

Today's SIM card designs take up a significant amount of space inside a mobile device. This space is more and more valuable in today's handsets which deliver an ever increasing number of features.

The fourth form factor (4FF) card will be 40% smaller than the current smallest SIM card design, at 12.3mm wide by 8.8mm high, and 0.67mm thick. It can be packaged and distributed in a way that is backwards compatible with existing SIM card designs. The new design will offer the same functionality as all current SIM cards.

The SIM is the most successful smart card application ever. A SIM card is used to securely associate a mobile device with a customer account, preventing fraud and ensuring that calls are correctly routed to customers. It is an essential security feature of mobile networks, and is integrated into every GSM, UMTS and LTE device. Over 25 billion SIM card and derivatives have been produced so far, and the industry continues to issue over 4.5 billion SIM cards each year.

The new form factor was adopted by industry with the involvement of major mobile network operators, smart card suppliers and mobile device manufacturers. The new design will be published in due course in ETSI's TS 102 221 specification, freely available like all ETSI standards from the ETSI website.
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Evy phone is locked to a carrier? Since when?

We're talking about iPhones. And most iPhones are indeed locked, since getting them unlocked would cost far too much for most people. So if 90% of iPhone are locked, then only 10% actually need a SIM card, since the whole point of a SIM card is that it's removable. But if you're locked to using that one SIM anyway, then what's the point?

What I'm saying is that all this fuss about SIM card sizes is kind of pointless, given that only a minority of people actually need the advantages of a SIM card (that it's removable).

I'm sure they could figure out a system where the SIM card is "soft", as in virtual, just like a Skype account. You log in and out without having to fiddle with the tiny annoying SIM cards and SIM eject tools.

The most annoying is that you generally have to swap SIM cards at airports, and you find that all your stuff is somewhere in your baggage and you drop everything, lost the SIM eject tool, etc… It's not the smartest way of changing carriers, even for the few who are lucky enough to afford an unlocked phone.
 
We're talking about iPhones. And most iPhones are indeed locked, since getting them unlocked would cost far too much for most people. So if 90% of iPhone are locked, then only 10% actually need a SIM card, since the whole point of a SIM card is that it's removable. But if you're locked to using that one SIM anyway, then what's the point?

What I'm saying is that all this fuss about SIM card sizes is kind of pointless, given that only a minority of people actually need the advantages of a SIM card (that it's removable).

I'm sure they could figure out a system where the SIM card is "soft", as in virtual, just like a Skype account. You log in and out without having to fiddle with the tiny annoying SIM cards and SIM eject tools.

The most annoying is that you generally have to swap SIM cards at airports, and you find that all your stuff is somewhere in your baggage and you drop everything, lost the SIM eject tool, etc… It's not the smartest way of changing carriers, even for the few who are lucky enough to afford an unlocked phone.

Clearly a US centric viewpoint.

In the rest of the world, most iPhones are NOT carrier locked, they are purchased outright without a subsidy.

I am however in favor of a software SIM since I travel to half a dozen countries every year and would love to be able to simply switch to my carrier of choice when I arrive.
 
I'm sorry, but I just don't get it...the Micro sim was small to begin with now the nano sim is even smaller, though not small enough for me to see what significant difference it will make on a phone for it to be a teeny size smaller... what can they pack in there with that 40% piece reduction of micro space they got from reducing it's size...
 
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