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New PowerBooks on Tuesday.

Want it to be a G5, But it is not meant to be - YET

Unless, they've totally fixed battery and heat issues... and made an upgraded motherboad etc.. too many variables.

quotes:

something like "it'll be a long time before we see a g5 laptop."

apple guru in chicago "yeah it'll happen if you can carry a refrigerator with you"

-best

here's to hope again - isn't this speculation supposed to be FUN!?
 
Well, only a few hours til we get a much better idea.

Rocketman, I'd love it if they brought out a dual G% PB, as would many others I'm sure, but that's a brave prediction!

Has there EVER been a dual proc laptop?
 
why get a g4

Originally posted by hmmm
3 upgrades, 3 models, face it, it's going to be throughout the whole ranger, I mean, why buy a 12" PB when you can get a 900 G3 ibook for so much less with just as much performance (check out the benchmarks)
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It's because of the Altivec engine. the iBook can run things like soundtrack or other apps that utilize the g4 architecture.
 
Good time to be a student

It's a great time to be a student though, new powerbooks, and the new ipods still with the discount. I'm so happy I waited. (buy a apple laptop get 200 off the purchase of an ipod and 100 off an apple printer thru september 27)
 
Could someone clarify when exactly the keynote starts? I assume it will be around 4AM Eastern Time early on Tuesday morning. That would mean it's around 32 hours away.

PB
 
Originally posted by jouster
Well, only a few hours til we get a much better idea.

Rocketman, I'd love it if they brought out a dual G% PB, as would many others I'm sure, but that's a brave prediction!

Has there EVER been a dual proc laptop?
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"Introducing, the world's first dual processor laptop: The new PowerBook G4".
 
Re: Re: Will everyone shut up after Tues?

Originally posted by tizza
I think it's really sad when posts like this are made. One of the reasons I joined mac rumors was to bounce ideas around about things that AREN'T fully known. At the end of the day none of us really know what's happening. If someone just wants the facts and can't handle speculation I would suggest they stick to www.apple.com.
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I absolutely agree. It is so strange how emotional people are getting. The Pro G5 PB people are giving their opinion, whether it comes from logical conclusions or blind hopes. However, the Pro G4 PB people almost act fascist in their attempts to squash the opposing idea. I don't get it. I haven't seen anyone predicting a G5 PowerBook be so vicious. Come 'on. No one knows. No matter how right you think you are, none of us will know until Tuesday in the wee hours of the morning (for the US at least).

So until then, let everyone say what they believe. I might expect such a heated and aggressive argument in a thread in the Political/War forum, but not here. We are actually having a great exchange of ideas and opinions.

Please, keep it civil. :)
 
Re: Good time to be a student

Originally posted by ethernet76
It's a great time to be a student though, new powerbooks, and the new ipods still with the discount. I'm so happy I waited. (buy a apple laptop get 200 off the purchase of an ipod and 100 off an apple printer thru september 27)
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Be careful waiting. The fine print in this coupon says that you must "Order and take possession of qualifying products from June 29, 2003, through September 27, 2003." I don't know if this means that you need to physically have the stuff in your hands by the rebate deadline, or that you need to have mailed the rebate form in by the deadline, or simply ordered all the stuff by the deadline, but if it's one of the first 2, all the orders for new 'books will most likely slow your order.
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
"Introducing, the world's first dual processor laptop: The new PowerBook G4".
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That would rock...G5 or not, a dual processor notebook would be pretty incredible.
 
Re: My Blind Guesswork...

Originally posted by BlueDjinn
Everyone else is chiming in, so here's my predictions:

Current 12" PB Combo: Price Drop Only ($1,599 -> $1,499)

Current 12" PB SuperDrive: Price Drop Only ($1,799 -> $1,699)

New 15.4" PB SuperDrive: $1,999
1.0 GHz G4 AlBook (side ports)
Backlighting, FW800, AirportExtreme (card included), Bluetooth (card included)
256 MB DDR-PC2700

New 17" PB ComboDrive: $2,499
1.0 GHz G4
FW800, AirportExtreme (card included), Bluetooth (card included)
256 MB DDR-PC2700

New 17" PB SuperDrive: $2,999
1.33 GHz G4
FW800, AirportExtreme (card included), Bluetooth (card included)
512 MB DDR-PC2700

(basically, instead of 15" Combo/15" Super/17" Super, they'd go to 15" Super/17" Combo/17" Super)
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I like these predictions - Only the 15" powerbook will always be available in the fastest speed. It was mentioned before usually the only difference between 15" and 17" is going to be the monitor size. Then again maybe the 17" will be the first dual processor powerbook. But if apple were really working at it they might be able to stick 2 in a 15".

can't wait! Credit card in hand - this old lombard is on its deathbed..... :)
 
RAM?

I want to see a 12" PoweBook with a 1ghz processor and the capacity for 1ghz RAM. Is this even physically possible, or will I have to go the 15" route for a gig of RAM?
 
Re: RAM?

Originally posted by unionjack
I want to see a 12" PoweBook with a 1ghz processor and the capacity for 1ghz RAM. Is this even physically possible, or will I have to go the 15" route for a gig of RAM?
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I'm sure it's possible, they just haven't made one that can do that yet. I don't see why they couldn't use the type of RAM slots that they use in the 15", with the two sticks of memory right on top of each other. I'm sure they could fit it in there somehow...
 
Originally posted by Beck446
Could someone clarify when exactly the keynote starts? I assume it will be around 4AM Eastern Time early on Tuesday morning. That would mean it's around 32 hours away.

PB
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The slot is supposed to begin at 9 AM Paris time, which is 3 AM EDT (12 AM PDT) - the times I've seen quoted here have been standard, but we're still on Daylight Savings Time.

Note that the actual keynote may start sometime after this.
 
Dual G5 PowerBook?

Okay, you got it. By popular demand, I've made a mockup of what the Dual G5 PowerBooks will look like for all those of you who "can't wait." (Forgive me if this has already been done):
 

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Re: Re: Will everyone shut up after Tues?

Originally posted by mvc
What is MOST interesting about this whole G5/G4 debate is the different emotional tenet of the two sides.

The positives are truly positive, and the negatives are REALLY negative in both their outlook and language.

Its like they have some vested emotional interest in the status quo, or maybe vested financial interest in Motorola. :rolleyes:

Why DO the negatives feel it is necessary to attempt to crush genuine debate with sweeping scornful remarks rather than factual discussion? Is it because they are really hurting inside? :p

They say cynics are just dissappointed idealists. :D

As for G5 powerbooks, anything IS possible; the technical heat/power consumption challenges are NOT insurmountable according to the numbers quoted on this board, Steve usually only shows up to speak for the bigger upgrades, and the long revision delay is difficult to explain as simply a Motorola supply problem.

Apple has both suprised and dissappointed us all before, so we will just have to wait and see which way it falls.
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Snip nothing.

mvc you rock.

I resemble, "cynics are just dissappointed idealists".

Rocketman
 
Is this the most post ever over 200 something and sure to be even more by thursday. The real question is how many diffent people have made a post if its like 20 total that would be sad some of you must have too much time on your hands
 
Re: Re: Will everyone shut up after Tues?

Originally posted by tizza
I think it's really sad when posts like this are made. One of the reasons I joined mac rumors was to bounce ideas around about things that AREN'T fully known. At the end of the day none of us really know what's happening. If someone just wants the facts and can't handle speculation I would suggest they stick to www.apple.com.
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He was a negative ninnie, BUT you have to admit, and Steve agrees, that available tech has been well under either promised or expected from Moto. Apple is hoping IBM stays with their track record, and frankly I expect they will. They spend upwards of 10x what Apple does on R&D, Moto being a small fraction of Apple.

The fact is, negative ninnies have been RIGHT for the past 8-10 years.

God bless IBM for changing that. This PBG4 upgrade is the last nail in the Moto coffin and god bless Apple for leaving their sorry ass in the dust.

Pardon my French :)

Rocketman

Instant BUYER of PBG5's (quantity) at any speed.
 
Well, I'm not sure if the G4 "supporters" are fascist. That seems a little harsh. I would guess that many (and I count myself among them) would say they don't believe there will be a PB G5 yet, but would be delighted to be proved wrong.
 
Originally posted by snofseth
Is this the most post ever over 200 something and sure to be even more by thursday. The real question is how many diffent people have made a post if its like 20 total that would be sad some of you must have too much time on your hands
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I am not totally understanding what you are trying to say, but I think some of us have posted like 20 times is because we really want new PowerBooks.

Which reminds me, I haven't given my PowerBook predictions. (Like you really want to hear another random person's thoughts) :)

12" 1 Ghz, Combo Drive, Bus 133 Mhz, Max 768 MB DDR 266 Ram, 512 L2 Cache, no L3, same IO.

15" 1.3 Ghz, Superdrive (BTO Combo), 166 Mhz, Max 1 GB DDR 333 Ram, 512 L2, 1 Mb L3, FW 800, AE (not built in), BT, Backlit keyboard, AL enclosure.

17" 1.3 Ghz, Same specs as today.

The only thing that gives me pause, is that if Apple now says 8 GBs of RAM is possible in the G5 (using 1 GB DIMMs) why can't 2 be in the 15" and 17" models? But, I'll stick with what I have now. :)

Originally posted by jouster
Well, I'm not sure if the G4 "supporters" are fascist. That seems a little harsh. I would guess that many (and I count myself among them) would say they don't believe there will be a PB G5 yet, but would be delighted to be proved wrong.
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Yes, fascist is a very strong word. I mean something to a lesser degree. Hopefully the point I was making is clear. Not fascist, but outrageously over the top.
 
I was going to ask what the longest thread was in the forums. Any idea?

And to clear this up as I guess one of the naysayer G5 camp... it's not that I, or anyone who's pretty confident (and I'd bet money on it) that the G5 won't be showing up this fall, WOULDN'T LIKE the G5 to show up. I think that's safe to say, no trolls here.

I'd love a G5, hell at those price points I'd be ignoring some debts and buying one myself, a G5 1.2-??? GHz 15 inch... sign me up! Even if I have to do the ridiculous wait the G5 PMacs are doing (which you realize would mean they'd ship around the first of the year... eeek!). All evidence points contrary though, and it's just silly to see some with this whole G5 thing hyping others to think G5s will be some type of reality (bzzt wrong!) and through this we'll have people getting mad at Apple for something Apple hadn't any intention on coming out with (mark Apple's own words for crying out loud). So when all you G5 hopefuls get Tuesday's news about the G4 Powerbooks, don't get mad at Apple, get mad at your own dang selves for believing in something you've been told repeatedly just ain't happening yet.

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For all those saying that the 12" will or should be discontinued are stupid, I got my 12" for looks personally i think the white ibook is girly and my gray silver what ever is very manly, plus the slot loding drive thats cool. I could have saved money, but its just not as cool, isn't that what it comes down to. Now we all want a powerbook g5 so we can say we have it and it says g5 instead of g4, who cares if it runs very close to the same and most of us wont no the difference. Its the cool factor. Did anyone think maybe they come out with a new moblile processor it could still be the same g4 or something but they could call it something cool.
 
Re: Dual G5 PowerBook?

Originally posted by Hemingray
Okay, you got it. By popular demand, I've made a mockup of what the Dual G5 PowerBooks will look like for all those of you who "can't wait." (Forgive me if this has already been done):
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What happened to all those vertical market "lugables" (ala early Kaypro)? Where is the PB with built-in RAID and quad batteries, only 2.5 inches thick?

As far as my statements, "gee wouldn't it be nice if there were a dual proc G5 Powerbook"? The dual 2ghz Powermac should teach Apple a lesson to put the mid-low end proc in the porta-dualies.

Rocketman
 
One thing to keep in mind is that the 12" PowerBook is made by the same company that makes the iBooks while the 17" PowerBook (and apparently the new 15" PowerBook as well) are made by another. I suspect this is the reason for a delayed revision to the 12" PowerBook (Think Secret) if that rumor is to be believed.

Of course, three models from $1999 to $2999 could also mean the 12" PowerBook has been redesigned as a 13" widescreen model similar to the other two PowerBooks in the lineup but I don't think we will be that lucky.
 
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