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Multimedia said:
I think BLACK Anodized Aluminum would be the next logical advancement. I would find that more attractive than the current look. Black is the new IN (non) color. Just look at Steve's Turtlenecks, the success of the Black iPod and the Black MacBooks to see where the line is going. ;)
I agree, even if I do still like the AlBooks, (old and new). Given the choice when buying this one, I would have still gone for silver.

As for the Mac Pro enclosure, I can see something coming also in black. I did find the G5 heavier than it could have been, but obviously this made it awesomely strong. Making it a little smaller, just as durable and lighter would get my vote. Since the rumour has it the Intel designed logic board was much smaller than the Apple designed G5, and Apple said no, must be bigger, I can't see a significant reduction in case size. Well, I can dream of some pizza box Macs returning can't I? Have to stick with my LC III for now.
 
sonnys said:
For economies of scale, it makes sense to transition all Power Macs and XServes to Woodcrest. It makes no sense to put a Conroe into a Power Mac when they can go all Woodcrest, thereby increasing volume shipments and bringing down the overall cost for each chip.
As sell over 1000 of each, as Intel is charging the same for all customers in lots of 1000, (see the relevant arstechnica article) it doesn't actually matter to Apple on price which they use.
 
Please Apple, new MacbookPro that focuses on comfort of use. Create a new design...I don't want to look down on a laptop screen anymore, it's an archaic concept. Make the laptop screen move up and down, like in this picture (only make it look like a beautiful apple product)


Continue to push the envelope!
 

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Multimedia said:
Then early next year Quad Conroes will come to market and pairs of Quad Woodies will serve us 8 core Mac Pros.

They're called Kentsfield (quad core version of Conroe) and Clovertown (quad core version of woodcrest). According to what i've seen so far, Clovertown will have an MP capable and an MP-incapable version, so depending on what happens we might skip right to Tigerton (also quad core in the xeon lineup).
 
Concise name, but harder to say

I have to say that I agree in part with anyone in this thread and those in other threads who have complained about the new name (Mac Pro); it *is* harder to say due to the double-hard-consonant (a linguist could put it more eloquently) sound (C next to P).

On the other hand, it's a mighty good way to consolidate and simplify, in typical Apple fashion, the names of their machines.

MacBook (Pro)
Mac (Pro) (I wonder what the normal "Mac" would be??)

Maybe we'll even have an iMac or eMac with a Pro tacked on; the iMac seems rather too entrenched in its well-known name for Apple to change it. But who knows?

I'd like to see dual dual-core processors on the high end, so let's hope for something that supports it--Apple won't disappoint us, I'm sure.
 
Size does matter

SiliconAddict said:
Did it ever occur to you that some of us might not have a crap load of space for such a huge system? I actually have several computers under my desk all of which serve a purpose. All if which can't be replaced with a single system. Move beyond just your narrow view of the world and see that there is a reason why companies are shipping thinline desktops.



or in my case....owning a $2000 computer armoire that has a compartment that is meant to house a computer "tower" enclosure......but when the G5 came out....it was way too big to fit into that enclosure. So I have been stuck using my G4 733 mhz that BARELY fits....but still doesn't allow me to close the doors of the armoire.
 
Conroe... Woodcrest.... Bleh.

The Mac Pro will come with 4096 x Z80 cores running at 16MHz each. :p
 
But isn't a "core" a "processor" and/or a "CPU"?

Evangelion said:
Whereas in the past you needed two physical CPU's to have two processing-cores, but these days you get it with just one CPU.
With single core chips, the terms "core", "CPU" and "processor" were pretty clear, and meant the same thing.

The core/CPU/processor had architectural state (program counter, integer and FP registers, status registers), L1/L2 cache, memory and bus interfaces - the whole works.

The "Pentium D" dual core chips are still two independent chips - each with state, cache and interfaces - just two chips glued to the same substrate and connected to the same socket. The FSB extends into the package, and the two chips communicate over the FSB just like a two-socket system.

Yet, some bean counter decided that this was 2 cores, 1 processor for the purposes of licensing. Suddenly, for no technical reason, at the licensing level "core" and "processor" no longer meant the same thing. (AFAIK, nobody really defined whether "CPU" meant "core" or "processor" in this new-speak, however.)

Now, we have two cores on a single chip, and depending on the design they might share L2/L3 cache and the bus interface. (And SMT (Hyper-Threading) chips also have unique state per logical processor...)
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If we only use the terms "core" and "socket", there's little ambiguity - both the bean counters and the engineers agree on what those mean.

"CPU" and "processor" are no longer useful terms - their meaning depends on context and the application that you intend to run. If you look at a Windows dual-dual system, it will say that it has "two physical processors and four logical processors".

Similarly, the people who are misusing the term "SMP" to mean "multi-socket" are applying a term from a former reality to the current situation. The "P" in "SMP" can really only be interpreted to mean "core" in classical terminology.
 
Eraserhead said:
This will also give them an opportunity to distinguish processors between the "pro" and consumer lines. What is the official name of the Woodcrest -- is it a "Core 2 Duo" brand?
As sell over 1000 of each, as Intel is charging the same for all customers in lots of 1000, (see the relevant arstechnica article) it doesn't actually matter to Apple on price which they use.[/QUOTE]

woodcrest is called the xeon 5100, also it's not the cpu's as such more the cost of supporting and developing two separate motherboard designs which means double the technician material and effort, it's much better to keep the same basic setup with simple modifications

Multimedia said:
I don't believe you. I am calling you a LIAR.

On what basis do you claim this as fact? Is there an ignorance flu going around? It is YOUR responsibility to provide links to relevant articles claimed to substantiate your posts not ours to find them. It matters a hell of a lot to the customer when they would have to buy FB-DIMMs to populate a Core 2 Duo Mac Pro unnecessarily. Wake up Eraserhead. You and Peace should get togther for a mind meld. :rolleyes:

no need to be a dick, which is how you are acting, when woodcrest is commonplace FB-dimm prices will tumble like they do with any type of memory that moves from niche markets (RISC workstations ect) to commonplace workstations and servers.
 
matts mac dreams
Detatchable panel for ALL ports so you can put the computer in the closet.
handles good but not at the cost of rackmount-ability
liquid cooled for quiet in my studios control room
no more fan problems
more usb ports
bring back drive bays
stereo analog quarter inch I/O
8 channel lightpipe I/O
hotswap bay
bright LEDs for working inside
detachable casters.
empty drive bays get ipod docks
No more pseudo zen. evolve for once
optional BluRay Drive


G5s were kind of feh in terms of appearances and layout. all that space for ventilation, only two hard drive bays, to big to rackmount.

I like the finish and I got used to the holes.

I love the idea about anodiezed metal. black maybe not. but if they did colors.
 
Does this imply that soon iMacs will be released with the Intel Core 2 Duos as well? Because i have just bought a Core Duo iMac and maybe i'm still in time to return it and wait for the ones with the Intel Core 2 Duo. If so, how long of a wait would that be?
 
Multimedia said:
Regarding the pairing of Conroes:No. it has nothing to do with the motherboard. The inability to pair Conroes is in the Conroe Processors. :rolleyes:
I have tried to ignore your radically ignorant posts for some time but this one takes the cake. Your true FANBOIS condition is now fully revealed. There is nothing in your "opinion" anwhere near planet Earth. I can see now why you list your location as "Space" 'cause you are clearly a Space Case. :rolleyes:

Are you a teenager who hasn't read any of the posts here? Your posts are mindblowingly ignorant.

I'm older than you and do these things to open minds ;)
 
penter said:
Does this imply that soon iMacs will be released with the Intel Core 2 Duos as well? Because i have just bought a Core Duo iMac and maybe i'm still in time to return it and wait for the ones with the Intel Core 2 Duo. If so, how long of a wait would that be?
The iMac will likely be upgraded to Merom towards the end of August.

Some are predicting that a Conroe will show up in the iMac towards the end of July, but the TDP of Conroe might cause problems in the iMac enclosure - the Merom is a much better fit.
 
Peace said:
Dual Conroes

I'm sure that someon's already said this, but Conroe doesn't support SMP. More accurately, I should say, Dual Socket layouts. That is Woodcrest territory. But I will say this, Apple had better make this new enclosure look freaking awesome, cause the last G5 tower was a thing of legend.

On a side note, I'm writing this on a Hackintosh Pentium D 3.8 GHz dual core, and I must say, this thing positively smokes my Dual G5 for things that don't require QE or CI (Apple's nVidia Drivers don't support the 7950 GX2.) Boot time is 14 seconds if I fiddle with the BIOS, boot time from seeing the Apple logo is a little under 7 seconds, and that's to a perfectly usable desktop, takes just over 52 seconds for this machine to boot an nLited Win XP Pro. So, no matter what case this thing is in, if It's got dual woodies, as dirty as that sounds, it will be one hell of a fast machine.
 
Consumer Can't Wait For Market To Lower FB-DIMM Prices

Hector said:
hen woodcrest is commonplace FB-dimm prices will tumble like they do with any type of memory that moves from niche markets (RISC workstations ect) to commonplace workstations and servers.
Which will take time the consumer hasn't got to wait. :rolleyes:
 
Core 2 Duo iMacs Are An Emenent Certainty

penter said:
Does this imply that soon iMacs will be released with the Intel Core 2 Duos as well? Because i have just bought a Core Duo iMac and maybe i'm still in time to return it and wait for the ones with the Intel Core 2 Duo. If so, how long of a wait would that be?
Yes and not long. September at the latest. Probably sooner. You have 10 days to return what you bought. If you can do it, you should definitely return the one you just bought.
 
Multimedia said:
Which will take time the consumer hasn't got to wait. :rolleyes:


well first off apple will secure half way reasonable prices on memory, then crucial will beat them and newegg will undercut crucial, this will all happen in less than a week.

if everyone thought like you we would all be useing pc100.
 
AidenShaw said:
And we've also replied that Conroe (and Yonah) in fact do support SMP - they just don't support dual sockets. :mad:

please don't feed the trolls.
 
Conroe Doesn't Support Dual Socket Motherboards Does Support Symetrical Multi-Process

Peace said:
Thanks for reminding me that conroe doesn't support Symmetric Multi-Processing.
No it doesn't support Dual Socket motherboards. It DOES support Symetrical Multi-Processing.
 
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