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It's early morning here, but this is easily one of the most confusing articles I tried to read in a long time.
It basically states people don't agree on different rumours, right?
My contribution to this debate is that the IP7 will probably be the most boring in 6 years.
Here you go, make a story out of this.

"Unknown source says iPhone 7 will be the most boring update in 6 years."

Thanks.
 
These rumors are boring :p
We want some new exciting rumors...

Agreed. But then. The iPhone is a ten year old phone nearly with hardly any changes since a Jobs' last keynote. So the rumours will be boring. Staff at Cupertino already call it "the old clunker" (possibly). And draw straws to guess what 'new' feature the 7.0 will have. And they're the guys who work in the R&D Dept! :oops:
 
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Why is everybody going on about how this is going to have no change from the last iPhone, when all the article says is that it won't have a Smart Connector? A goddamn ****ing Smart Connector. And let's not forget that it was rumoured to be directly above the Lightning port, which can easily be used for the exact same purpose.
 
Maybe they added a bigger battery instead ... Given the idea that the smart connectors main task could be connecting a smart battery case.
 
You know, if the iPhone 7 will miss vital features like a headphone jack, it'll be a total catastrophe.

If Apple does this, EVERYONE around them will do the same. And the problem is, it's not like DVDs which can be easily converted to digital-only media and which are really bulky. This is something that not only doesn't have an alternative (using lightning is NOT a good solution, bluetooth is a pain in the ****ing ass to set up, and there is no universal connector), but it causes absolutely no problem, it's just small enough to fit even on the thinnest devices.

And now, it seems like Apple isn't going to even introduce something to make up for it, it'll be horrible. If the iPhone 7 will not have a headphone jack and nothing to compensate, I'll be ****ing mad at Apple. Not that I already am.
I so agree. Bluetooth is really hard to set up. I mean with pairing it once and never having to again and how when I just press the power button on my Bluetooth headphones it just connects. So complicated!
 
More and more I'm being convinced that all these are fake rumours and leaks made by Apple to fool us and launch a completely different, amazing iPhone 7 :O
every year there is somebody who says the same thing as you just did. Yet every year, at the launch, we see 90% of the rumors were true...
 
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I'm starting to think Apple is intentionally making this year as lackluster as possible so that their "big redesign" in 2017 looks even more spectacular. Not that I think the smart connector was some huge pinnacle feature, but with everything else remaining relatively the same and subtracting a headphone jack it would have added more of a differing factor at minimum. I think a dual lens camera could be interesting, but for the love of god I don't want it to stick out and be that big.

Also, am I the only one who thinks those antenna bands actually look worse than what we currently have? I wish they'd just pop in glass panels in the style of the 5/5S/SE if they're really sticking with relatively the same design.
 
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Poor analogies. The invention of the car didn't inconvenience the horse rider and the jet didn't stop ships from sailing. They were new forms of transportation that society transitioned into while still using the old method -- in some cases the horse and ship were more practical for the intended purpose.

It's very rare that consumers for forced to go cold turkey with zero transition time. Even when TV was changing over from SD to HD consumer were given years notice and the very late adopters given set top box converters, not left in a lurch.

The point I was making was in reference to the comment that the move to eliminate the headphone jack as we know it "is a solution looking for a problem."

And when Apple ditches the 3.5mm headphone jack, it will inconvenience consumers who want to keep using headphones they own with the new iPhone, but that is no different than the switch that occurred when cars became mainstream and people no longer needed all the things they had accumulated to own and use a horse.

Consumers will still be able to use their headphones with a 3.5mm jack as long as they keep one of their older iPhones, iPads or iPods or laptop or desktop computer.

And should this shift occur, it will drive the creation of solutions for enabling consumers to use their old headphones with the new iPhones with things like a Bluetooth adapter you can plug your headphones into converting them into wireless wired headphones.

I totally understand the desire of humans and most animals to not change, because change is hard, but that is exactly why it takes a certain kind of person or company to force, or if that word is too strong, to entice, people to change.

That's how Ford did it with the Model A and the demise of using horse and buggy as our typical form of personal transportation and how jet travel supplanted ocean and most train travel.

Yes, you can still own and ride a horse, and take an ocean cruise or cross countries in a train, in the same way you will be able to use your old headphones even when there is no jack included on the new, at some point, iPhone.
 
For a second I thought this meant replacing the Lightning connector. I would not relish replacing all the cables I bought to replace the 30pin after the 4S got replaced!!!
 
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I'm thinking this example is the closest. If customers didn't want to upgrade their old sets, they had to use an ADAPTER.

In other words, nobody forced them to buy a new HD set, but one day they did just shut off the analogue broadcasts -- cold turkey.


Right, but, again, it wasn't sudden, there was years of warning it was going to happen and also the very late adopters were not left out in the cold either... they were offered a converter box at no charge, so even when the SD broadcasts ended they were still able to receive a picture.

I have no problem w/ Apple ditching the headphone port per se. It's all in how they implement it. If they don't include an adapter in the box then Apple is leaving consumers in a lurch. Asking consumers to either buy a BT headset or a (likely overpriced) adapter is a slap in the face -- pure arrogance on Apple's part. I think a lot of consumers will second guess if they want to upgrade at that point. That helps neither Apple nor the adoption of the technology.
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And when Apple ditches the 3.5mm headphone jack, it will inconvenience consumers who want to keep using headphones they own with the new iPhone, but that is no different than the switch that occurred when cars became mainstream and people no longer needed all the things they had accumulated to own and use a horse.

Heh. You were around when cars became dominant over horses for transportation? I'm guessing not, because, if you were a student of history you'd know that the buggy to cars was a decade+ long transition, it was not overnight. Cars and buggy co-existed on the same roads, not always happily, for years.

OTOH last I checked a mini headphone will not fit in a Lightning port, so unlike horse owners that still could use the same trails as always after the Model A came to market, wired headphone users are out cold unless an adapter is made available -- and it's virtually invisible, not some obnoxiously long pencil shaped one.
 
iPhone is smaller than iPad,,, wouldn't make sense, leave the connector for the bigger devices only, otherwise we'll all have to replace our accessories. At least the lightening connector in staying.

Apple would really disrupt everyone again if they "replaced" it with the smart connector.
 
frankly the phone in this picture is the UGLIEST smart phone I even seen,not just the ugliest iPhone,the ugliest phone,including those Chinese budget smart phones..
if Jobs was still alive he would have fired the idiot who designed this,be it Ive or whoever it was.it looks like a disaster.and embarrassment.
keep doing that Apple,and decline in iPhone sales will not be your only problem.you will go down if you keep doing this.
 
I so agree. Bluetooth is really hard to set up. I mean with pairing it once and never having to again and how when I just press the power button on my Bluetooth headphones it just connects. So complicated!
What makes Bluetooth a pain is when you have multiple devices within range and there is no good way to connect to the right one. You can turn off Bluetooth to disconnect easily, but it's real fun when you have to go into settings to connect to the right device all the time.
 
More and more I'm being convinced that all these are fake rumours and leaks made by Apple to fool us and launch a completely different, amazing iPhone 7 :O
lol people were saying the same thing when the leaked iPhone 6 images first popped out with those horrendous antenna bars and protruding lens..
 
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Right, but, again, it wasn't sudden, there was years of warning it was going to happen and also the very late adopters were not left out in the cold either... they were offered a converter box at no charge, so even when the SD broadcasts ended they were still able to receive a picture.

I have no problem w/ Apple ditching the headphone port per se. It's all in how they implement it. If they don't include an adapter in the box then Apple is leaving consumers in a lurch. Asking consumers to either buy a BT headset or a (likely overpriced) adapter is a slap in the face -- pure arrogance on Apple's part. I think a lot of consumers will second guess if they want to upgrade at that point. That helps neither Apple nor the adoption of the technology.
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Heh. You were around when cars became dominant over horses for transportation? I'm guessing not, because, if you were a student of history you'd know that the buggy to cars was a decade+ long transition, it was not overnight. Cars and buggy co-existed on the same roads, not always happily, for years.

Claiming that Apple will be leaving consumers in a lurch by ditching the headphone port, is a red herring of an argument. Apple will [likely] do what they have been doing, providing consumers with a pair of headphones with every iPhone. You may not like them, but you do have an option for how to listen to music. And frankly, no one, not even Apple, is going to stop you from using your existing iPhone, iPad or iPod. Just like my analogy with moving from horses to cars. You can still ride a horse, many people do and the same will be true with iPhones / headsets - there will be people using old iPhones and 3.5mm jack equipped headphones right alongside those using whatever new headphone connection Apple moves to.

And as far as the speed with which change happens, even in (or especially in) the case of televisions, not only are tv's getting better faster, the price points are dropping extremely fast on even the latest technologies. And if you're just talking about Apple and the purported iPhone without a 3.5mm headphone port, this change will only be immediate for those customers wanting the newest iPhone. The hundreds of millions of existing iPhones in the market will still be able to utilize existing headphones with 3.5mm jacks with zero impact on the consumer.

So, in your mind, how do you move forward with new technology, if you have to maintain the old because it would upset certain consumers to change? Adaptors certainly are one way to help bridge the tech gap, which undoubtably Apple and the 3rd party market will provide, but to hang hats on something as if it needs to be a certain way, just because you don't want to change or have too much invested in the old technology, is pointless. It's no slap in the face to include an adaptor, it's a way to help consumers bridge the gap, and yes, you might just have to buy the adaptor in order to keep doing what you've been doing.

Much like those of us who actually went through the shift from 8 track to cassette (and vinyl) to cd to downloading. Each iteration of how I accessed music, I had boxes of the old that ended up getting sold for pennies on the dollar, or just tossed out (in the case of 8 tracks and cassettes). I tape recorded most of my vinyl records, but by the time cd's came out, the tapes were so awful, both in sound and convenience (think melted tapes in the car), that i chucked the lot and effectively started from scratch in buying cd's. And the collection of cd's - they faced the same fate. Thankfully, technology allowed me to save my cd collection to digital, so although dumping the cd's felt wrong, it didn't really cost me anything.
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What makes Bluetooth a pain is when you have multiple devices within range and there is no good way to connect to the right one. You can turn off Bluetooth to disconnect easily, but it's real fun when you have to go into settings to connect to the right device all the time.

I agree that Bluetooth has a ways to go before it's perfect. But think back to the time when every sound device required a wired connection and almost everything was a standalone device. Even as we started to use our computers as a way to listen to music, most speakers you had connected to your computer using the 3.5mm headphone port, but when you wanted to switch to a pair of headphones, you had to unplug the speaker cord and plug in the headphone cord.

Today, you can have, as I do, several bluetooth headphones (several for work and one pair for music), and a couple of bt speakers, any of which I can switch between during the day. There is one device that always seems to connect first, even when I don't want it to, but I'm constantly changing during the day so it's not unusual for me to have to access bt settings. Apple has made improvements, like being able to disconnect active bt devices, instead of having the turn off bt altogether to force a device to disconnect, but it should be even easier.
 
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Claiming that Apple will be leaving consumers in a lurch by ditching the headphone port, is a red herring of an argument. Apple will [likely] do what they have been doing, providing consumers with a pair of headphones with every iPhone. You may not like them, but you do have an option for how to listen to music. And frankly, no one, not even Apple, is going to stop you from using your existing iPhone, iPad or iPod. Just like my analogy with moving from horses to cars. You can still ride a horse, many people do and the same will be true with iPhones / headsets - there will be people using old iPhones and 3.5mm jack equipped headphones right alongside those using whatever new headphone connection Apple moves to.

And as far as the speed with which change happens, even in (or especially in) the case of televisions, not only are tv's getting better faster, the price points are dropping extremely fast on even the latest technologies. And if you're just talking about Apple and the purported iPhone without a 3.5mm headphone port, this change will only be immediate for those customers wanting the newest iPhone. The hundreds of millions of existing iPhones in the market will still be able to utilize existing headphones with 3.5mm jacks with zero impact on the consumer.

So, in your mind, how do you move forward with new technology, if you have to maintain the old because it would upset certain consumers to change? Adaptors certainly are one way to help bridge the tech gap, which undoubtably Apple and the 3rd party market will provide, but to hang hats on something as if it needs to be a certain way, just because you don't want to change or have too much invested in the old technology, is pointless. It's no slap in the face to include an adaptor, it's a way to help consumers bridge the gap, and yes, you might just have to buy the adaptor in order to keep doing what you've been doing.

Much like those of us who actually went through the shift from 8 track to cassette (and vinyl) to cd to downloading. Each iteration of how I accessed music, I had boxes of the old that ended up getting sold for pennies on the dollar, or just tossed out (in the case of 8 tracks and cassettes). I tape recorded most of my vinyl records, but by the time cd's came out, the tapes were so awful, both in sound and convenience (think melted tapes in the car), that i chucked the lot and effectively started from scratch in buying cd's. And the collection of cd's - they faced the same fate. Thankfully, technology allowed me to save my cd collection to digital, so although dumping the cd's felt wrong, it didn't really cost me anything.


None of that has anything to do with the point of my original post to you, i.e., that horse:car or ship:jet is a misplaced analogy to Apple abruptly removing the headphone jack.

Also I appreciate you thinking I'm so young that I never knew 8 track. I wish it were true. But you admit yourself those were gradual shifts not overnight changes. I've gone through LPs, 8 tracks, cassette, CD (with MD on the side), and audio files. I've also been though OS 6-9 to OS X 32bit (PPC/Intel) to OS X 64 bit (Intel only). I've experienced many tech transitions in my life. None of them happened with one product launch. There was always a common space where old and new co-exist.
 
Right, but, again, it wasn't sudden, there was years of warning it was going to happen and also the very late adopters were not left out in the cold either... they were offered a converter box at no charge, so even when the SD broadcasts ended they were still able to receive a picture.

I have no problem w/ Apple ditching the headphone port per se. It's all in how they implement it. If they don't include an adapter in the box then Apple is leaving consumers in a lurch. Asking consumers to either buy a BT headset or a (likely overpriced) adapter is a slap in the face -- pure arrogance on Apple's part. I think a lot of consumers will second guess if they want to upgrade at that point. That helps neither Apple nor the adoption of the technology.

I don't remember those boxes being free. I remember a process that people had to go through to get one and the having a rebate or something. I also seem to recall that the "free" boxes were almost impossible to get when they turned off the analogue transmissions, leaving many people who "despite the years of warnings" without terrestrial broadcasts.

As for leaving customers in the lurch ... Well they shut off the analogue transmissions. Customers didn't have a choice. But with the next iPhone, nobody is forcing a customer to buy it if they want to use their old headphones -- they will still sell the 6, 6s & SE. Giving them a free adapter in the box, when they will most likely give them a free Lightning pair of earbuds, is only encouraging the continued use of their old equipment, which does nothing for creating demand, improvements, innovation, and price drops for wireless and digital sound. And that ultimately perpetuates the use of adapters and costs customers better more affordable future options.

The free TV boxes were "lifelines" for the poor, who had no other choice. Apple doesn't really sell to the poor, and buying the flagship iPhone without a backward compatible headphone jack is hardly a necessity. But in keeping with this comparison, Apple's lifeline is the inclusion of a Lightning headphone, allowing customers to immediately use the new technology, and for the "poor" they still sell phones compatible with their old audio equipment. It's not like they're removing the headphone jack on every device they make, or worse yet disable the headphone jack on existing phones with the next software update. And in either case, people have a choice of whether to buy, or upgrade. When they shut off the analogue transmitters, there was no choice. It was either buy an adapter box, or get on the waiting list for a "free" one.
 
Better phone is a questionable and subjective statement. Hardware wise the s7 is better but software wise it's still a POS.

Not really, besides, you can change the software so you're not using Touchwiz. Personally I think Android 6.0 is superior to iOS 9.

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Regardless of what Samsung does they will ALWAYS ALWAYS copy what Apple does immediately. Once a stalker will always be a stalker.

Of course. Just like how Apple will copy AMOLED, bigger screens, the power button on the side of the device, and (maybe) making the phone water resistant.
 
None of that has anything to do with the point of my original post to you, i.e., that horse:car or ship:jet is a misplaced analogy to Apple abruptly removing the headphone jack.

Also I appreciate you thinking I'm so young that I never knew 8 track. I wish it were true. But you admit yourself those were gradual shifts not overnight changes. I've gone through LPs, 8 tracks, cassette, CD (with MD on the side), and audio files. I've also been though OS 6-9 to OS X 32bit (PPC/Intel) to OS X 64 bit (Intel only). I've experienced many tech transitions in my life. None of them happened with one product launch. There was always a common space where old and new co-exist.

The fun thing about the internet is that you could be 12 years old and I could be 85 (I'm not, but I'm already sliding down the hill) and neither would know.

As far as how you could slowly change something like the 3.5mm headphone jack, is Apple or any other manufacturer supposed to make it so that it's only half there, half as deep, or that it only works half the time? There is no other option to move forward, progress, without a fundamental change.

And today, technology and our devices are racing ahead at a pace much faster than the shifts from 45's to 8 tracks to vinyl to cassette to cd to downloading and now streaming did. The market was slow to change in the past because we consumers were slow to change and so were most manufacturers who figured it was easier to just keep doing what they were doing, than to risk losing market share to their competition. Sure, the speed of change from horse to car was slow, because life in general was slower than it is today and there were far fewer people to drive that change. But my analogy was not about speed, but rather addressing someone else's "solution looking for a problem". It was a perfect analogy in that regard. We didn't need cars, and although they might have solved some problems, they created others.

It is interesting that for the most part, the one thing that has remained constant with regards to music and our personal music / phone devices is the 3.5mm headphone jack. In the past, most phones, even early "smart" phones had the smaller 2.5mm jack with mostly crappy headphones or ear piece and not until the convergence of phone and music / video / gaming device did the 3.5mm jack become the standard. It's time for a change in my opinion, actually past the time when it should have changed. I've thought that as soon as Apple was offering bluetooth, especially when seeing their old adds that focused on the white headphone cord on the silhouette of a person appearing to dance. And although Apple continues promoting and increasing the speed of wireless connectivity, they're stuck with cheap wired headphones to deliver music to your ears.
 
The point I was making was in reference to the comment that the move to eliminate the headphone jack as we know it "is a solution looking for a problem."

And when Apple ditches the 3.5mm headphone jack, it will inconvenience consumers who want to keep using headphones they own with the new iPhone, but that is no different than the switch that occurred when cars became mainstream and people no longer needed all the things they had accumulated to own and use a horse.

Consumers will still be able to use their headphones with a 3.5mm jack as long as they keep one of their older iPhones, iPads or iPods or laptop or desktop computer.

And should this shift occur, it will drive the creation of solutions for enabling consumers to use their old headphones with the new iPhones with things like a Bluetooth adapter you can plug your headphones into converting them into wireless wired headphones.

I totally understand the desire of humans and most animals to not change, because change is hard, but that is exactly why it takes a certain kind of person or company to force, or if that word is too strong, to entice, people to change.

That's how Ford did it with the Model A and the demise of using horse and buggy as our typical form of personal transportation and how jet travel supplanted ocean and most train travel.

Yes, you can still own and ride a horse, and take an ocean cruise or cross countries in a train, in the same way you will be able to use your old headphones even when there is no jack included on the new, at some point, iPhone.

I don't understand ANY of he posts about "not being able to use headphones". Lol, how bourgeoisie are you all??
I have invested a LOT of $ in high fidelity phones over the years & couldn't give less of a damn about USING AN ADAPTER from now on. Big whoop. Ok. Wow. HUGE deal.. wait; not at all.
 
Both were BETTER... obviously better. When people can see obviously better, they will move on it.

While I agree that wireless audio in its current form is not a good replacement and I would appreciate the choice of staying wired, I don't see this particular point working. Many drastic changes, including cars, are only obviously better in retrospect. People made fun of cars in the beginning, and mainstream acceptance took decades. As they say, hindsight is 20/20.

Apple didn't need to motivate the world to quit making dumb phones to make iPhone a desirable alternative.

I'm not sure about this point. Are you saying Apple is trying to stop other companies from making headphone jacks? Isn't Apple just one company making what they think is the best solution (just like Ford)? And other companies just happen to follow their example on their own accord? But don't people still have the choice of a myriad of other products out there? Yes, many of us feel trapped into Apple's ecosystem but that's kind of our own fault (myself included). We vote with our dollars so it's no wonder Apple continues leading us where we don't want to go, and even causes other companies to follow the money.

If nothing else, a most favored company that regularly spins "think different" and "people are too dumb to think differently" are incompatible concepts.

I don't think Apple's view on the public is as final as you put it. Yes, they probably believe most people don't like change and tend not to think outside the box, but I think we can ALL agree on that. It's likely their slogan simply means that that they hope as many people as possible will break out of that mold and perhaps see what Apple is trying to do as it tries to do the same. Whether or not they always lead in a good direction is another story.

Obviously better doesn't need any force. Obviously better wins on it's own merits.

I agree here. It doesn't even need to be obvious, it just needs to stand its ground long enough for people to start to catch on. The beauty of the free market. Time is the true test, and time will tell.
 
I'm guessing Apple will release an iPhone 7 that will be pretty much the same as the iPhone 6s, with no smart connector or dual camera, and also an iPhone "Pro", which would have these features.
For extra $$$, of course.
Maybe the iPhone 7 (peasant edition) will have 3.5mm jack, while the "Pros" will get lightning EarPods?
 
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