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You aren’t serious right? iPhone is at least 2:1. I know iPhone sales but I’ll have to dig up Note and Galaxy. I’ve followed it, but Samsung doesn’t publish these every quarter.

I think you’ll end up looking stupid unless I’m misunderstanding your position. You do agree iPhone outsells the note and galaxy by at least 2 to 1, right? Maybe not 3 to 1, but at least 2 to 1.

You go right ahead and publish the figures.
Very interested to see.
 
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Fair enough but i think these forums are more about user level discussions, if all you care about are your shares i'm sure there are forums that are better suited. Im not saying you should not post here by the way, i'm just saying these forums are not really about the sharemarket.

Where do you get off telling him he should post elsewhere. SMH

If it has to do with the Mac or Apple he can post whatever he wants, you do realize your posting on macrumors?
 
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You go right ahead and publish the figures.
Very interested to see.
Apple sold 660M iPhones since 2015.

That is 600,000/day for 3 years.

For Samsung to be around that 2:1 figure I posted, they'd need to have sold 330M phones in the same 3 period. The last official number from Samsung was 200M in 2014 (total, ever)...literally have not seen anything reliable since then. I can find all kind of numbers, but they have a ton of non flagship Samsung phones mixed in to ruin the number.
 
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Apple sold 660M iPhones since 2015.

That is 600,000/day for 3 years.

For Samsung to be around that 2:1 figure I posted, they'd need to have sold 330M phones in the same 3 period. The last official number from Samsung was 200M in 2014 (total, ever)...literally have not seen anything reliable since then. I can find all kind of numbers, but they have a ton of non flagship Samsung phones mixed in to ruin the number.

The also include dumb phones in that figure.
Phones with a t9 keyboard. No joke.
If you just look at note sales, Samsung has been dropping sequentially every year since Apple introduced the plus models.

You can check this out for more data points:

“According to data from Counterpoint’s Monthly Market Pulse, Apple has significantly increased its lead over Samsung in the premium smartphone market ($400+) since the launch of the iPhone 7. Over the summer, Apple was selling just over 50% of the global premium smartphones, and Samsung was selling just under 25%. By December 2016, those numbers had grown to 70% and 17%, respectively.

http://bgr.com/2017/02/03/apple-vs-samsung-sales-2016/
 
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My goodness people do like to bang on about sales figures!

Do these figures actually mean anything? Remember Nokia? They had two of the best selling phones of all time. Then there was Blackberry.

People seem to have very short memories.
 
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My goodness people do like to bang on about sales figures!

Do these figures actually mean anything? Remember Nokia? They had two of the best selling phones of all time. Then there was Blackberry.

People seem to have very short memories.

They mean everything.
Just look at Nokia and blackberry, no sales no phones.
 
They mean everything.
Just look at Nokia and blackberry, no sales no phones.

Exactly my point.
I can't imagine people at the time banging on about sales figures.

Plus the fact they were both at the top of their game, and look at them now.
 
They mean everything.
Just look at Nokia and blackberry, no sales no phones.

Well by your logic, Ferrari has one foot in the grave compared to Honda then. Samsung sold I believe 80 million smartphones last quarter, and Android has about 85% of the market. So I don't think either is quite ready to die off just yet.

By the way, Nokia and RIM both had dominant positions with most of their eggs in a single basket. That is looking more and more like Apple as each quarter the iPhone gobbles up a bigger and bigger piece of Apple's total business.
 
Exactly my point.
I can't imagine people at the time banging on about sales figures.

Plus the fact they were both at the top of their game, and look at them now.

Should have been part of hofo or crackberry, that’s exactly what was going on there.

That’s the thing they weren’t top of thier game just didn’t have any alternatives, until there was and look at them now.

But sales was always a key metric as the plus of the company. Once sales start to dry up...

Just look at Sony Mobile, HTC, and lg mobile. The writing is on the wall just like it was with blackberry, Nokia, Motorola and Ericsson
 
Exactly my point.
I can't imagine people at the time banging on about sales figures.

Plus the fact they were both at the top of their game, and look at them now.
That was a different game. No ecosystem, just hardware. No company has ever been as profitable as AAPL. Apple can screw up, but Apple is not Nokia or Blackberry. That doesn't mean in 10 years Apple can't fail...it just means they aren't the same story at all.
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The also include dumb phones in that figure.
Phones with a t9 keyboard. No joke.
If you just look at note sales, Samsung has been dropping sequentially every year since Apple introduced the plus models.

You can check this out for more data points:

“According to data from Counterpoint’s Monthly Market Pulse, Apple has significantly increased its lead over Samsung in the premium smartphone market ($400+) since the launch of the iPhone 7. Over the summer, Apple was selling just over 50% of the global premium smartphones, and Samsung was selling just under 25%. By December 2016, those numbers had grown to 70% and 17%, respectively.

http://bgr.com/2017/02/03/apple-vs-samsung-sales-2016/
Yeah, no one can compete with Apple in profitability and unit sales of premium phones.

Actually, Samsung makes pretty good margin on the Note and Galaxy phones...they just don't sell nearly enough of them to eat into the smartphone profit pie (Apple is 90%).
 
That was a different game. No ecosystem, just hardware. No company has ever been as profitable as AAPL. Apple can screw up, but Apple is not Nokia or Blackberry. That doesn't mean in 10 years Apple can't fail...it just means they aren't the same story at all.
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Yeah, no one can compete with Apple in profitability and unit sales of premium phones.

Actually, Samsung makes pretty good margin on the Note and Galaxy phones...they just don't sell nearly enough of them to eat into the smartphone profit pie (Apple is 90%).
It's kind of funny to me when people use Apple's huge profit on their smartphones to promote buying them. Wouldn't that imply that they are very overpriced?

Also ironic that Samsung was actually more profitable than Apple last quarter. Don't know if they passed them back this quarter. (I'm not suggesting that was because of smartphone profits... just ironic.) Samsung is a lot more diversified company. Apple is basically a smartphone company that also sells some accessories.
 
It's kind of funny to me when people use Apple's huge profit on their smartphones to promote buying them. Wouldn't that imply that they are very overpriced?

Also ironic that Samsung was actually more profitable than Apple last quarter. Don't know if they passed them back this quarter. (I'm not suggesting that was because of smartphone profits... just ironic.) Samsung is a lot more diversified company. Apple is basically a smartphone company that also sells some accessories.
AAPL is worth 4X Samsung and 1 quarter doesn’t make a year.

AAPL makes good margin, just like Samsung, but AAPL just sells A LOT...it’s not bc they are overpriced.
 
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People who've just spent $1200 on an iPhone X will understandably be a little more likely to interpret anything other than abject praise as a "slam".
I don’t understand why americans crying about I phone X being 1000$. The regular iPhone was 1300$ here for years, the X starts from 1650$ and people still line up to buy it It’s not Apple’s fault though its goverment taxes.
 
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My goodness people do like to bang on about sales figures!

Do these figures actually mean anything? Remember Nokia? They had two of the best selling phones of all time. Then there was Blackberry.

People seem to have very short memories.

Since phones seem to be an extension of our identity, bragging about or comparing sales figures would be the equivalent of (appendage) measuring.

I keep reading that Samsung does not post numbers. So how can we accurately compare appendages?

2014 numbers are being used as a comparison to current Apple sales, which seems to mean we are not comparing apples to apples so to speak.
 
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Since phones seem to be an extension of our identity, bragging about or comparing sales figures would be the equivalent of (appendage) measuring.

I keep reading that Samsung does not post numbers. So how can we accurately compare appendages?

2014 numbers are being used as a comparison to current Apple sales, which seems to mean we are not comparing apples to apples so to speak.

Completely agree. It really does come across as a hampton wick waving contest. What makes it worse is that a lot of these people are grown adults with professional jobs!

People just need to relax and enjoy whichever device they use.
 
AAPL is worth 4X Samsung and 1 quarter doesn’t make a year.

AAPL makes good margin, just like Samsung, but AAPL just sells A LOT...it’s not bc they are overpriced.


You understand that margin percentage has no relationship to how many you sell, right? But you all keep bragging about how much margin Apple makes on a smartphone as they keep jacking the prices up. As a shareholder I think its awesome. As a consumer, I look at value.
 
You understand that margin percentage has no relationship to how many you sell, right? But you all keep bragging about how much margin Apple makes on a smartphone as they keep jacking the prices up. As a shareholder I think its awesome. As a consumer, I look at value.
What are you talking about? If you make 40% margin on every phone you sell and sell 100M you make X. If you sell 200M, you make 2X.

My point was that while Apple has good margins, they make so much money because they sell so many phones, not because they rip people off. Their per phone profit is reasonable. They just sell over 200M phones annually, so they make insane money.
 
If iPhones were ridiculously priced and out of reach of the masses, then they wouldn't be selling very many. But the sales numbers tell us otherwise.
 
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