New Studio Display or Pro Display XDR Spotted in Regulatory Database

[WLSON]

Say what?

Professional reference monitors are OLED.

The Pro Display XDR launched as a cheaper alternative to OLED reference displays.

No, current state of the art professional reference monitors are dual stack LCD. Not that it matters as they're not productivity monitors anyway so it's irrelevant.

Aside from the text clarity issues that have plagued OLED up until very recently, with the introduction of stripe sub pixel layout that should be fixed, there is the huge problem of burn-in.

 

[Dark-Signature]

I just want a sub-$600 27" Apple monitor.

I'm afraid you'll have to go for Aplle rather than Apple 😀
Seriously, what do you dream about at night?

 

[Ethosik]

They do—USB-C. The HDMI port is a massive, gaping hole in the side of the MacBook that’s single-handedly dictating the thickness of the computer. The plug is uni-directional. It doesn’t carry non-display data. It doesn’t carry power. Bandwidth is poor compared to DisplayPort and Thunderbolt. The standard is proprietary and expensive…HDMI has zero benefits over Thunderbolt/USB-C.

Okay. Tell me how many monitors have Thunderbolt? How many monitors have HDMI?

Stop with the hyperbolic comments. You are acting like HDMI is this dinosaur.

HDMI does carry non-display data through the HDMI Ethernet Channel. But this is a pointless argument.

HDMI 2.2 can do 12K at 120Hz or 16K at 60Hz with 96Gbps bandwidth.

On my gaming PC, HDMI offers more advantages over DisplayPort. My graphics cards do not have Thunderbolt.

 

[jole]

The current XDR continues to rock after all these years. Still loving what I am seeing in front of me.

It is almost silly that there are so very few ways this old display could be any better. Outside of the panel, there are some improvement opportunities:

• 120Hz is the most obvious and most needed upgrade
• FaceID would be greatly appreciated (less reliant with Apple Magic Keyboard for ID)
• A camera might be useful, but only if it a significant upgrade from the Studio Display quality. Otherwise a dedicated SLR is still the right choice. Maybe the latest iPhone Pro camera array with all the signal processing would be sufficient to cover most video conferencing needs.
• Good quality speakers would be nice to have (now one needs to keep MBP lid open or have external speakers)
• A good quality microphone array that could compete with professional condenser mic would reduce some more clutter from the desk.

Key thing that is not needed: 6K resolution and 32" size remain optimal.

 

[jarman92]

Okay. Tell me how many monitors have Thunderbolt? How many monitors have HDMI?

Stop with the hyperbolic comments. You are acting like HDMI is this dinosaur.

HDMI does carry non-display data through the HDMI Ethernet Channel. But this is a pointless argument.

HDMI 2.2 can do 12K at 120Hz or 16K at 60Hz with 96Gbps bandwidth.

On my gaming PC, HDMI offers more advantages over DisplayPort. My graphics cards do not have Thunderbolt.

Ok but Apple doesn't care about your gaming PC. These monitors, like all Apple products, are made specifically for those who have other Apple products. For Apple customers, HDMI is a dinosaur and a significant step down from Thunderbolt. If you don't like it, then these products are not for you. As you said, there are plenty of other monitors for you to purchase.

 

[Ethosik]

Ok but Apple doesn't care about your gaming PC. These monitors, like all Apple products, are made specifically for those who have other Apple products. For Apple customers, HDMI is a dinosaur and a significant step down from Thunderbolt. If you don't like it, then these products are not for you. As you said, there are plenty of other monitors for you to purchase.

Macs have HDMI ports you know? So they are creating monitors that don’t fully support their own hardware.

Wow what did HDMI do to people in this thread? Never seen this much backlash for wanting more options holy cow. I want to use HDMI as all my thunderbolt parts are taken up by raid and data.

 

[jarman92]

Macs have HDMI ports you know? So they are creating monitors that don’t fully support their own hardware.

Omg 🤦🏼‍♂️ this idea you have that every monitor must be able to utilize every port on a MacBook is just bizarre. Presumably the monitor won't be able to run off MagSafe, does that also mean it doesn't "fully support" the MacBook?

Wow what did HDMI do to people in this thread? Never seen this much backlash for wanting more options holy cow. I want to use HDMI as all my thunderbolt parts are taken up by raid and data.

So don't buy the product! There are literally hundreds of monitors you can buy that support HDMI, and I'm certain many of them offer better specs for less money.

 

[karcevgo]

all this debates are great, but WHEN will it be available?

 

[Ethosik]

Omg 🤦🏼‍♂️ this idea you have that every monitor must be able to utilize every port on a MacBook is just bizarre. Presumably the monitor won't be able to run off MagSafe, does that also mean it doesn't "fully support" the MacBook?



So don't buy the product! There are literally hundreds of monitors you can buy that support HDMI, and I'm certain many of them offer better specs for less money.

Again, why is there this insane backlash about wanting options? Wow.

And Apple’s monitors will be niche if it cannot support their own products fully.

 

[CWallace]

Macs have HDMI ports you know? So they are creating monitors that don’t fully support their own hardware.

Apple prefers elegance and simplicity. They prefer people connect their USB peripherals to their Apple display and then connect the display to their MacBook Air / MacBook Pro via a single cable that provides both power and data. ThunderBolt offers this functionality, whereas HDMI does not.

 

[jakey rolling]

Apple prefers elegance and simplicity.

Perhaps Apple should think about what their customers prefer.

 

[Ethosik]

Apple prefers elegance and simplicity. They prefer people connect their USB peripherals to their Apple display and then connect the display to their MacBook Air / MacBook Pro via a single cable that provides both power and data. ThunderBolt offers this functionality, whereas HDMI does not.

Then they should just get rid of the HDMI port and add another Thunderbolt port.

 

[tenthousandthings]

Macs have HDMI ports you know? So they are creating monitors that don’t fully support their own hardware.

Wow what did HDMI do to people in this thread? Never seen this much backlash for wanting more options holy cow. I want to use HDMI as all my thunderbolt parts are taken up by raid and data.

I think the objections to your position are threefold: [1] HDMI ports on Macs are for connecting to audiovisual equipment like televisions and projectors — HDMI is a TV protocol, it is not intended to replace or be the equivalent of DisplayPort protocols. [2] Apple should absolutely provide dual Thunderbolt input ports, allowing for daisy chains and so on. I think you’d find broad support here for that.

Finally, [3] your assertion that Apple should provide an HDMI input is impractical because, again, HDMI is not the same thing as USB-C/DisplayPort. The HDMI port on your Mac (and pretty much all computers, not just Macs) sends data one way (output). It doesn’t support HEC (HDMI Ethernet Channel), which of course it wouldn’t because that’s for televisions, not computers.

 

[Ethosik]

I think the objections to your position are threefold: [1] HDMI ports on Macs are for connecting to audiovisual equipment like televisions and projectors — HDMI is a TV protocol, it is not intended to replace or be the equivalent of DisplayPort protocols. [2] Apple should absolutely provide dual Thunderbolt input ports, allowing for daisy chains and so on. I think you’d find broad support here for that.

Finally, [3] your assertion that Apple should provide an HDMI input is impractical because, again, HDMI is not the same thing as USB-C/DisplayPort. The HDMI port on your Mac (and pretty much all computers, not just Macs) sends audiovisual data one way (output). It doesn’t support HEC (HDMI Ethernet Channel), which of course it wouldn’t because that’s for televisions, not computers. The fact you mentioned it shows you don’t understand what it is.

Actually yes HDMI can replace DisplayPort. I have a monitor with a higher HDMI standard and use that instead of DisplayPort. I get better results.

Regarding HEC I brought it up because the person mention it does ZERO non-display data. HDMI does. And I do t appreciate the tone saying “I don’t understand what it is”. I didn’t say Mac’s offer it. I used it as an argument that HDMI does more than display only data.

We are talking about a monitor here for goodness sakes.

 

[tenthousandthings]

And I do t appreciate the tone saying “I don’t understand what it is”.

Yeah, sorry, I deleted that but not fast enough…

 

[lilkwarrior]

Doesn't matter my point still stands, their screens are better than the Pro Display XDR's.

…Their tech is based on Pro Display and for completely different computing purposes.

Compare the Pro Display XDR with existing 32” 6K+ HDR monitors

 

[lilkwarrior]

I'd say it is rivaled by the ASUS ProArt 8K, which is 1000/1200 nits, with 7x the XDR's MiniLED zones.

I actually agree to an extent, but it still doesn’t have the HDR parity to it and even the ProArt monitor that did except resolution that I also own (PA32UCGX that offered 4K@120hz instead of 6K@60hz with 1000 sustained nits, 1600 peak nits and Dolby Vision HDR + HLG HDR like the Pro Display XDR).

Most 6K/8K monitors sacrifice premium HDR support.

 

[Pezimak]

…Their tech is based on Pro Display and for completely different computing purposes.

Compare the Pro Display XDR with existing 32” 6K+ HDR monitors

Well you could argue the iPad Pro screen s for a different use, but the MacBook Pro screen is for exactly the same use as the Pro Display XDR.
Anyway no one has really predicted much about the new Pro Display XDR.

 

[CWallace]

Perhaps Apple should think about what their customers prefer.

Customers have options. Those that prefer the single-cable route can (and do) buy an Apple display and those that prefer flexibility can buy a non-Apple display.

Then they should just get rid of the HDMI port and add another Thunderbolt port.

Some MacBook users no doubt would prefer that (myself included).

 

[tenthousandthings]

Actually yes HDMI can replace DisplayPort. I have a monitor with a higher HDMI standard and use that instead of DisplayPort. I get better results.

I’m curious, what specific display you are referring to?

Regarding HEC I brought it up because the person mention it does ZERO non-display data. HDMI does. […] I didn’t say Mac’s offer it. I used it as an argument that HDMI does more than display only data.

We are talking about a monitor here for goodness sakes.

Again, HDMI on Macs (and most computers) does not do more than display-only audiovisual data. So it’s moot. Perhaps I’m wrong — do have a display that you connect to via HDMI (only) and still gives you access to the USB data ports on the display?

My understanding is that data transmission via HDMI 2.1 is about various things that affect audiovisual performance and peripherals. It doesn’t *replace* Thunderbolt and/or DisplayPort data transmission protocols.

 

[tenthousandthings]

I actually agree to an extent, but it still doesn’t have the HDR parity to it and even the ProArt monitor that did except resolution that I also own (PA32UCGX that offered 4K@120hz instead of 6K@60hz with 1000 sustained nits, 1600 peak nits and Dolby Vision HDR + HLG HDR like the Pro Display XDR).

Most 6K/8K monitors sacrifice premium HDR support.

Not sure what you mean. The PA32KCX supports Dolby Vision and HLG.

 

[lilkwarrior]

Well you could argue the iPad Pro screen s for a different use, but the MacBook Pro screen is for exactly the same use as the Pro Display XDR.
Anyway no one has really predicted much about the new Pro Display XDR.

Sure, but a 16” screen is much more distinct in limitations in utility than what a 32” Pro Display XDR allows that connects to a wider variety of devices (Windows computers included which I do all the time directly to my GPU).

Not sure what you mean. The PA32KCX supports Dolby Vision and HLG.

… You're referring to a different monitor SKU than what I'm referring to. The PA32UCGX launched with the same $5000 price and had the same exact HDR performance: 1000 sustained nits and 1600 nits w/ Dolby Vision HDR and HLG.

The only notable difference was 4K@120hz w/ VRR and custom colorimeter support. So it wasn't a high PPI monitor ultimately desiring more refresh rate with that premium HDR quality for animators and game professionals.

I thought I forgot the "G" in my original remark, but realized you're referencing the wrong ProArt monitor.

 

[1037]

Well you could argue the iPad Pro screen s for a different use, but the MacBook Pro screen is for exactly the same use as the Pro Display XDR.
Anyway no one has really predicted much about the new Pro Display XDR.

It's Apple so the specs are gonna be similar but the price is gonna be $6500 plus a stand.

 

[lilkwarrior]

It's Apple so the specs are gonna be similar but the price is gonna be $6500 plus a stand.

…And? The Asus 8K ProArt monitor is ~$8,800. Given the unprecedented specs the Pro Display XDR will have to be an Ultra Retina XDR 32 monitor (Tandem OLED), $6500 is a more than fair price–that'll be a damn good deal.

Prosumer monitors (even portable ones) are typically $3000+.

Many have stagnated at 4K (not ideal after 24" for high pixel density) to move the price floor to $2000-$2500 for entry level ones. Usually that necessitate compromising sharpness (pixel density) and HDR for entry creative professional.

That's been the market for prosumer monitors for over 6 years with the Pro Display XDR able to justify its price accordingly after all this time.

Asus's ProArt 4K 24" OLED with Dolby Vision HDR is $3000 which by no coincidence aligns hy the Vision Pro with a prosumer screen + a laptop APU and other things is $3500.

With or without inflation/tariffs, $6500 would be fair–especially if its 6K/8K with Pro Motion and 12-bit color (possible with Thunderbolt 5's 120Gbps mode).

 

[Blaine]

Is thunderbolt fast enough to drive a 32” 6K 120hz display?