who would do as a 'bad' job as CEO ?
any fortune 500 CEO and even me would have probably done better then Timmy
it doesn't takes a harvard graduate to see that the entire apple line up is overpriced and obsolete
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who would do as a 'bad' job as CEO ?
any fortune 500 CEO and even me would have probably done better then Timmy
it doesn't takes a harvard graduate to see that the entire apple line up is overpriced and obsolete
My iPad is a consumption device 99% of the time. The "creation" on my iPad consists of replying to an email if the reply is short, or typing in a search parameter in the URL bar.
I did not even touch on having and real Ethernet port or a USB port for USB to serial adapters to console into various network equipment. That is a real task I do a lot as a Network Engineer and I can't do that with a iPad.
except the iPad is aimed not at the laptop market.
They are not comparing Apples to Apples
It like comparing iPad to an iPod - they simply are not the same thing
They are not comparing Apples to Apples
It like comparing iPad to an iPod - they simply are not the same thing
except the iPad is aimed not at the laptop market.
They are not comparing Apples to Apples
It like comparing iPad to an iPod - they simply are not the same thing
I think the gist of this discussion is that Apple is the one who made the claim that the iPad pro was comparable to a laptop.
How many people do you think own the full Adobe suite, and how many of those actually use it? As a percentage of total computer users? 5%?
The surface runs Windows.
Everytime I see someone make the "average person doesn't care about X" argument on an Apple board, I immediately think that at least someone of these people have a poster of Steve Job's "here's to the crazy ones" hanging on their wall. I can't help but revel at the irony.
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The RT wasn't a piece of junk, it was just too little, too late. Fortunately, MS finally did find their niche, and we've now got actually good Surfaces to look forward to now.
As far as 16:9 on a tablet goes, watching movies is about the only thing its good for. For everything else, you really start feeling that lack of vertical space on those small screens, and holding it up in portrait is kinda awkward. I'd say the 3:2 ratio on the SP3/4 is about the happiest medium around.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize the only "pro" users of equipment were in the video industry.
Oh wait, they're in the pool of pro users.
For some reason I thought most people that do video production are usually doing it at a desktop. Those large production files get sent to SAN's using optical connections. Which MBP has an optical connection to the laptop? Okay, you're right, some do copper connections too.
So which iPad do you do a physical network connection with?
Oh, you don't?
Okay, so probably not something "Pro's" often do on a laptop either huh?
I wish full Adobe apps would come to the tablet. Maybe you should consider how unconvincing your position is?
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Yes... you're right. YOU know what qualifies as PRO software. YOU get to make that definition mean anything you want...
You're right, there's no such thing as local storage (because the internal 256 GB just wouldn't be enough to get you to...)
LTE
NEXT
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So we're both somewhere without WiFi, and I have LTE. How fast are you going to get done?
You're not.
And that's my point. I didn't say the iPad was the perfect tool. I never even said it was the best option. I did say I am comfortable enough doing all my work on my iPad that I no longer need my Laptop.
I did say that.
As for speed differences... I've figured out workflows that make me just as efficient on my iPad as I am on my laptop. Now you throw out "long shot." Define it. How big is the difference in time? I'm using the smart keyboard and Apple Pencil. Are you?
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The tutorials worked fine for me. To be fair I'm using iOS 10b5, so I also have the Swift programming instruction as well. So, the good news is your complaint with that is not only remedied, but you have even more resources on an iPad than you do on Android now.
I use SSH all the time and don't have an issue. I don't sit with SSH in the background. If I have a connection, I'm using it, so that may be why I've never had an issue.
I asserted pro audio and video users needed usb storage. Other users in the "pro pool" might need mouse/trackpad functionality, an exposed file finder, full office, etc. I have worked in film studios and ad agencies and I can tell you a lot of video gets edited on laptops. I also work in audio and a great majority of production work is done on laptops. Yes, a video studio might have dedicated desktop pc's with higher spec external storage. No one is using production media with cloud storage.
My position is adobe applications are not coming to the ipad because it lacks external storage, mouse/trackpad functionality, and a accessable finder. Are these applications coming to ios because you wish it so?
Painfully incoherent response post ends with "its good enough for me" cop out. Whatever.
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So you don't have anyone and y9ure just parroting that Tim Cook is doing a bad job. You're also laughably saying the entire Apple line is overpriced and obsolete. Macs, maybe, but iOS devices are neither obsolete or overpriced.
except the iPad is aimed not at the laptop market.
They are not comparing Apples to Apples
It like comparing iPad to an iPod - they simply are not the same thing
Well why do they consider the pro to be a laptop replacement, if it's not even equipped to best a hybrid?
Yes I did, but I used it as a tablet; mainly browser the Internet and, and it worked well. It took a bit to get used to some of the gestures, but it's a good experience.
Now, iPad definitely is much nicer, no question here, but Windows is not bad
Okay.
Then you know what? It sounds like you have explained why an iPad may not work for a group of people. I concede. You have a well thought out argument, you are not just reciting what you have been told, and you have taught me something in the process. Thank you for that.
I am absolutely positive that my wishing has no effect on the universe whatsoever. I am also absolutely positive that unless you work for Adobe, you are making an educated guess. We could argue this. I could point out (sorry for the pun) that a pencil would do the job of a mouse, that Adobe supports cloud storage, and that leaves the Finder issue. I don't agree that there is enough there to NOT produce the "Pro" apps.
I also wonder if Adobe is allowing the apps on iOS to evolve into what is needed. That maybe they don't want to make the mistake of bringing bloat to an efficient platform?
Painfully incoherent nonsense mixed in with a point topped off with, "it's not good enough for me" cop out.
See how easy it is to discount you as well? Look, consider what the average person does on a laptop. We're talking web, office tools, a few games, a generic user. I stand by the iPad being a laptop replacement for them. You represent a portion of the market. If we're being honest, a single digit percentage. If you're running a company, who are you going to play to? 91% or 9%?
You've convinced me that Microsoft has built a great tool for the 9%, and is trying to convince the 91% that it is the best for them too. My argument is, "not the case." Yes, Microsoft your tool has slightly more computing power in some instances. It's backwards compatible. I could edit video on it, on a 4 hour flight. You have a very narrow explanation of what this tool is useful for.
My iPad is forwards compatible. It's designed for evolving software. It's designed to take advantage of wireless networks the surface isn't. It's designed to last 200 to 250% longer. It's designed around where we are going, not where we've been. EDIT: I mentioned something about Hyperthreading. It seems that's a terrible idea in ARM cores http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1037948/arm-fan-hyperthreading.
In ten years Apple will have gone from enough power for a smart phone, to rivaling a desktop, at 1/30th the wattage and 1/4 the size/weight. With that being the case, it takes software development to continue to narrow the gap. That's all. The hardware is waiting.
So will Adobe bring the "big guns" to iOS? Probably, by adding in needed features to what they already have available. Will they transition After Effects as it is to the iPad? If they're smart, no. They'll use this opportunity to get rid of stuff that isn't really needed, they'll clean up the code, and place a smaller app on the store for iOS.
And over time, more things will be added to it.
I'm guessing we're done here. There's not really anything left to argue. Thanks for your time.
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While you're revelling, consider the fact that apart from 1-5% of users, the iPad is the perfect computer. It's simpler than any laptop, it does everything they need, it has millions of apps. The surface does ONE thing better-runs an Intel processor and full Windows... Everything else:
-battery life (VERY important on a portable tablet or laptop)
-LTE (again portability!)
- weight
- reliability of software
- ease of use and consistency (the learning curve on the surface is pretty steep)
- APPS
... The list goes on
The iPad kills the surface. I don't say that will any enjoyment, because I wish the surface was better. I wanted to buy one, but it fails in too many areas.
Equipped to best a hybrid?
Which has a longer battery life (by 200 - 250%)
Which has more apps?
Which is more reliable?
Which has built in LTE?
Which uses primarily modern tech (no media)?
Your argument is because the hybrid can run a desktop OS, with desktop apps that it is better?
It's half the tablet of a tablet, and it's half the desktop of a desktop. I have something that is twice as good at being a tablet, and still shows a respectable value in the desktop portion (Pixelmator does all the same raster editing that it does on the desktop, Adobe Graphic works the same, Pages... Numbers... Keynote...)
My A game, plus my C game, is better than both your D games. Because my C game is based on the software that is "catching up." Your D game is based on doing a poor job of trying to be everything to everyone.
"Do one job, and do it well."
We done here?
While I do agree with you to a certain extend, especially when it comes to the most simple of tasks, the is one tidbit I would like to add...in my opinion, you do not need the ipad pro for those tasks as the the ipad will do all those things just as good (apart from drwaing sketches)...so the whole pro deal somehow eludes me....
I own a surface 3 and I agree with this commercial 100%. It beats the iPad in every way possible. As the IT person for my company, I plan on switching out all of our ipads for surfaces soon.
I'm still amazed Apple has not come out with a full OSX tablet.
The only thing I think the iPad has going for it is the Stylus ( i refuse to call it a pencil). the pressure sensitivity of it with the ipad screen is pretty amazing and feels pretty great,( except for the ridiculous price, and lack of buttons, and stupid way of charging it) Well, maybe it's not that great after all. LOL
My surface stylus works great but I'd like to see more levels of pressure. (To be honest, they may have improved apon this with the surface Pro 4 as I haven't tried one yet.)
Agreed, I would buy a SP4 in a heartbeat if the stylus input was even nearly as good as the iPad Pro's.
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Clearly you don't use Adobe's Graphics programs very much...
I think you, just like many other people here (and obviously on both sides of the argument), do make one crucial mistake:
For you specific work scenario all you state is probably true...I dare not judge as it is your job and your way of doing it.
But what you may consider before being condescending towards others is that you will hardly get more then a few people here that have the same usage and work scenario. So in the most simple terms: I think it is absolutely awesome that there are so many different devices available today that with the propper research one can get the one that realy fits the profile of what one needs...
...on the other hand, that spot is pretty funny and rightfully ridicules the whole "lets replace most pcs in the world with ipad pros" apple marketing is trying to pull of...but, again, that has nothing to do with people being able to pull of all their work on an ipad or even some random smartphone...
Not to mention that nobody really cares about new wrist bands for a watch that'...don't get me started. Apple is a COMPUTER company that doesn't care about computers anymore.
I don't have anyone ? Did you give me the power to hire the new Apple CEO ?
if I had the power, I'll be interviewing a lot of people from Apple, Google, Facebook, Tesla etc.
I heard that Jobs originally wanted someone from the outside to run Apple in the case something happens to him but the idea was shot down.
Had they brought someone from the outside, I wonder what the company's direction would've been like now. It sounds like he had no choice but to pick Cook as a second option after the "outsider" idea was turned down.
iPods are dead, pretty much. Get over that. So that leaves the yearly updated iPhone and the iPad Minu. Hardly everything.
I'm sorry my friend, I've obviously touched a very raw nerve. My bad for thinking that mobile phone software was inferior to a full blown desktop OS, I deeply apologise for my unfounded allegations. I'll try to be better informed next time.
You have yourself a very good day sir.
You've never used SSH or a computer before if you've never had to put something running in the background.
