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How about you using the Apple store and leaving us other user use the store we want. Win/win
No thanks, because my solution means no one is forced to do something they don’t want. Your solution requires Apple to be forced to change and thus weaken the protections for the rest of us AND we will be forced to use 3rd party stores anyway whether we want to or not.
 
I don’t even disagree with this, but it’s somewhat tangential to the actual point of the legislation. This legislation isn’t simply about giving consumers what they want. It’s to make sure giant tech companies aren’t operating unfairly in a massive market worth billions of dollars.
I'm pretty sure they were replying to your justifications for the legislation, not the legislation itself.
 
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. When is the last time you saw Blumenthal and Blackburn agree on something? Let alone agree enough to jointly sponsor it. Both sides of the aisle have bones to pick with tech, the left regarding anti-trust and marketplace fairness and the right regarding stifling of speech. Much like infrastructure, this is one of the few areas I see as being ripe for bipartisan action.

Very true.

Nothing is quite as bipartisan right now as "let's do something about Tech"
(and I personally think it's good to see actually)

These companies are out of control global behemoths that are gobbling up anything that even remotely hints at being something that might compete with or threaten them.

We are off the rails here and way past due on lots of anti-trust regulation.
 
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I wouldn’t be so sure about that. When is the last time you saw Blumenthal and Blackburn agree on something? Let alone agree enough to jointly sponsor it. Both sides of the aisle have bones to pick with tech, the left regarding anti-trust and marketplace fairness and the right regarding stifling of speech. Much like infrastructure, this is one of the few areas I see as being ripe for bipartisan action.

If this bill really had a chance Blumenthal could have found somebody with a lot more credibility than Blackburn to co-sponsor it. I’ll take it more seriously when Romney supports it. Apple is spending nearly $2B in Nevada on data centers and other operations. Or Burr in NC? Apple is spending $1B on an operations hub in RTP in addition to their western NC data center. In fact, Apple is spending $430 Billion in US based expansion mostly outside of California over the next 5 years and creating 20,000 jobs predominately in deep red states. Interestingly, Tennessee is not very high on Apple’s investment list. This will be a lot of noise and spawn months of ”The end of Apple as we know it” articles, and then it will fade away.
 
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Yay! Give the consumers what they deserve! It really is a win/win for everyone. It’s time developers get paid real money + incentives. (For their hard work, creating/developing/innovative the apps).

This number could be a lot higher! FACTS!!!

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I didn’t used to be in favor of this, but after reading and learning about “Sherlocking” which is a practice of delaying or denying App Store approval until Apple or Google or Facebook (in the case of its Oculus store) could basically copy the developer’s app features onto the operating system, I’m now in favor of this bill.
 
And you will find a hypothetical App Store who’s going to to host your app for free?
And that hypothetical App Store that’s just a startup is going to have enough infrastructure for worldwide exposure in many languages and also market your app for free?
Keep dreaming…
You might have missed what I was asking I think: could I force my app to be strictly for the current existing AppStore model via Apple and not be downloadable/installable/etc via any third party way.

Not asking for free hosting, free infrastructure, free APIs, free marketing or any sort of free ride: I would continue paying for the dev account and associated per transaction fees as it stands right now.
 
I didn’t used to be in favor of this, but after reading and learning about “Sherlocking” which is a practice of delaying or denying App Store approval until Apple or Google or Facebook (in the case of its Oculus store) could basically copy the developer’s app features onto the operating system, I’m now in favor of this bill.
Wasn't Sherlock in the late 90's?
 
That post didn’t even state my primary justifications for the legislation. I was just responding to a topic you brought up, which is your desire for a curated experience.
Which you claimed I didn't have a right to, because you like some parts of iOS but still want to have different AppStores and think you can pick and choose your features through Acts of Congress. Yes, I remember.
 
Sorry too tired to go dig all that up..
Google is your friend if you're interested.

The first many links are a good start:

app sherlocking

I've been around this a long long time
It's happened to a lot of Apps

Google is nobody's friend.

If you're referring to the How-to-Geek article, which I can't know for sure because filter bubble, it makes no mention of the AppStore or delaying or denying approval of an app while they bring the features into their OS.
 
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Google is nobody's friend.

If you're referring to the How-to-Geek article, which I can't know for sure because filter bubble, it makes no mention of the AppStore or delaying or denying approval of an app while they bring the features into their OS.

If you're honestly interested - click on some of the links on just that first page
A ton of info there.

https://www.economist.com/babbage/2012/07/13/youve-been-sherlocked (sub required)



Or use a search engine of your choice. It would take a whole thread to cover sherlocking over the years and it's not the topic of this thread

Cheers


Sherlocked as a term[edit]

Advocates of Watson made by Karelia Software, LLC claim that Apple copied their product without permission, compensation, or attribution in producing Sherlock 3.

Some disagree with this claim, stating that Sherlock 3 was the natural evolution of Sherlock 2, and that Watson was obviously meant to have some relation to Sherlock by its very name.

The phenomenon of Apple releasing a feature that supplants or obviates third-party software is so well known that being Sherlocked has become an accepted term used within the Mac and iOS developer community.[2][3]
[4]
 
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Because it runs on my phone. It has cellular connectivity, GPS, it's always with me. It's a fine line, I admit, but it is one.
What about folks who’s Mac is always with them? Should they not have equal choices across OSs?

What about your situ being mobile-focused makes the EULA different?

I ask because I, and others, it seems, find the argument against variant standards to break down under logic.
 
Where did I say you couldn’t have a curated experience?
Sorry, you're right. You didn't say that specifically. It was my extrapolation to where the curated experience was lost because once the walls are down on the garden the curator loses the ability to wrangle the developers. Your point was that we shouldn't be allowed to have a walled garden ecosystem.
 
Sorry, you're right. You didn't say that specifically. It was my extrapolation to where the curated experience was lost because once the walls are down on the garden the curator loses the ability to wrangle the developers. Your point was that we shouldn't be allowed to have a walled garden ecosystem.
True, that must be why the Google Play Store is a barren wasteland..
 
If you're honestly interested - click on some of the links on just that first page
A ton of info there.

https://www.economist.com/babbage/2012/07/13/youve-been-sherlocked (sub required)



Or use a search engine of your choice. It would take a whole thread to cover sherlocking over the years and it's not the topic of this thread

Cheers


Sherlocked as a term[edit]

Advocates of Watson made by Karelia Software, LLC claim that Apple copied their product without permission, compensation, or attribution in producing Sherlock 3.

Some disagree with this claim, stating that Sherlock 3 was the natural evolution of Sherlock 2, and that Watson was obviously meant to have some relation to Sherlock by its very name.

The phenomenon of Apple releasing a feature that supplants or obviates third-party software is so well known that being Sherlocked has become an accepted term used within the Mac and iOS developer community.[2][3]
[4]
Now I honestly can't tell if you're arguing with yourself. Not one of those shows a case of Apple delaying or denying app approval so they could steal features.

There's nothing that says Apple can't adopt features it finds elsewhere-- that's what patents are meant to protect. Watson itself stole features from Sherlock-- if the name didn't give it away.

None of this has anything to do with the AppStore. Rather than linking to random articles including the word "sherlock", quote one that makes your point.

I'm going to wind up at the BBC soon enough...
 
Very true.

Nothing is quite as bipartisan right now as "let's do something about Tech"
(and I personally think it's good to see actually)

These companies are out of control global behemoths that are gobbling up anything that even remotely hints at being something that might compete with or threaten them.

We are off the rails here and way past due on lots of anti-trust regulation.
I'll be very surprised if the NSA doesn't advise against this.
Cook scratched their backs, they scratch his.
 
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Now I honestly can't tell if you're arguing with yourself. Not one of those shows a case of Apple delaying or denying app approval so they could steal features.

There's nothing that says Apple can't adopt features it finds elsewhere-- that's what patents are meant to protect. Watson itself stole features from Sherlock-- if the name didn't give it away.

None of this has anything to do with the AppStore. Rather than linking to random articles including the word "sherlock", quote one that makes your point.

I'm going to wind up at the BBC soon enough...

sigh..

I don't know what to tell you friend -- I've been around this ecosystem for decades and observed it over and over again (it's not just apps, but often just features - some stuff even pulled from jailbreak ecosystem, which I've always found humorous.)

Let's move on.

I don't need to prove to you what I actually literally "know" from experience.

I'm sorry I even said anything to you.
Have a good night
 
You might have missed what I was asking I think: could I force my app to be strictly for the current existing AppStore model via Apple and not be downloadable/installable/etc via any third party way.

Not asking for free hosting, free infrastructure, free APIs, free marketing or any sort of free ride: I would continue paying for the dev account and associated per transaction fees as it stands right now.
Who’s going to pay the third party App Store to host your app?
Are you? Or do you think it will be charity?
 
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