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we have a lot thinners than this panels around the world and they are still gorilla glass.

Let's compare apples to apples. Apple decided to make a larger but thinner panel. That can be caused only by one of these 2 things:

- either they lowered their standards;

- or they found the way to make the panel much stronger.
 
I hope to learn if the drop rate increases for iPhones. I would expect a lot of shuffling the phone up and down the palm of one's hand in order to reach the extremes of the screen.

I'll still buy one. Maybe three.
 
I'm optimistic. I think Apple is going to blow us away with the new iPhone 6's. WWDC has shown that Apple is at the top of its game and I believe this will carry over to the new hardware. Just glad that my contract is up this year.
 
I hope to learn if the drop rate increases for iPhones. I would expect a lot of shuffling the phone up and down the palm of one's hand in order to reach the extremes of the screen.

I'll still buy one. Maybe three.

I've never had an issue with my 4.7" screen phone, don't think the iPhone is going to be more drop prone than any others out on the market.
 
If this is the 4.7" screen, I don't think I will be going for 5.5". Any bigger will probably make it harder to operate single handed.

I'm holding out for at least 6.3". Even 5.5" is too tiny - and anything less is for girls.
 
So we take the leaked images, make a video about the exact same part, showing exacty the same as the images, and it deserves a new thread?

lol

Hey, for people like me this is actually useful, I like seeing the comparison to the 5s. This size is probably the one I'm going to get and the visual of the see through front on top of the actual 5s is helpful.

Thank you but I wouldn't say "fake". Instead, I would use overwhelmingly brand loyal to even shift their own opinions based on what a corporation says. Harsher variations would use the "kool-aid" or "fanboy" references but even those are probably dominated by people who just think Apple is so wonderful- even magical- that whatever Apple says must be right.

Ironically enough, while other companies (such as Samsung) mock Apple 'sheep', the truth is that most companies would love to have the brand loyalty that Apple does. They mock it because it suits their advertising needs (tell their customers that they're 'superior' to those other consumers) but if they had it, they'd love it.
 
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Can't wait.iOS will be great with a bigger screen.

Lately using my cramped 5S playing games I've found myself dreaming of a bigger screen and how great it will be.
 
Ignoring the obvious trolls among the people who take part in what you quoted (because it definitely does happen exactly the way it was described there), perhaps some us change our minds?

I know....I know....its a radical concept. But maybe, just maybe, its ok for someone to say "I'm not too sure about a larger screen - I'm really comfortable with what I have." Only to take the time to try it out and realize "This really isn't bad at all - the added real estate really helps and I can still use it one-handed."

There's nothing "sheepish" about that. For once, let's be deliberate about who we lump together as Apple "sheep". My mom is extremely skeptical of a larger iPhone - she really likes the size of her 5. But she'll likely upgrade and get used to it. There's nothing "sheepish" about that - its simply human nature to oppose something you aren't familiar with only to warm up to it the more comfortable you become.

As for me, I've used plenty of "larger" Android phones and am very much looking forward to the 4.7" version. I like the 4" - the size works really well, but I also don't think the 4.7" is unwieldy and would welcome the added display size.

The 5.5" however.....I'm not too sure about.


This post made so much sense, and had such objectivity, I had to double check the URL to confirm the website ... :D
 
Bezels

For the people complaining about the bezels, the side bezels seem fine, an improvement over the previous model and comparable with other phones, The bottom needs room for the Touch-ID/Home button. Its the top bezel where any reduction could occur, and I think apple wanted to keep the symmetry with the bottom bezel, which is their "look" for the Iphone.
 
Do people really think a 4" phone is still big?

Yes.

I see lots of "must be able to use one handed or I don't buy" comments yet I can use my Nexus 5 with one hand in regards to internet/text use perfectly fine and I don't even have large hands.

The Nexus 5 isn't even remotely usable one handed.

Never known a phone to cause such uproar about when the rest of the world have been using larger sized phones for 2-3 years now with no problems whatsoever....

That's probably because the people who found large phones to be impracticable bought iPhones instead.

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It reminds me of the wave of griping before the 4" became the new perfect. Post after post in thread after thread about the "abomination" of screens bigger than the perfection of 3.5" and the fragmentation of different screen resolutions, how Apple would never fragment, etc. As the rumors of the 4" piled up, there were Android phone bashes about aspect ratio, how Apple would never change the aspect ratio, etc. Then, as rumors of 4", resolution change and aspect ratio change piled up, all that transitioned toward the hedge of "wait & see", "it's kind of growing on me" before Apple rolled out the 4" and then all that griping evaporated.

For the record, the 4" iPhone was still an enormous cockup and I would go back to 3.5 inches in a heartbeat if I could get one with modern hardware and a good camera.
 
so in 2011 we had 3.5"
in 2012 we had 4"
in 2014 we will have 4.7"
in 2016 we will have 5.5"
and in 2018 we will have 6"

so start in time to change your clothes for 5.5" and 6"
 
Considering there's no app on the appstore that utilizes the 5S to it's full potential, my guess is it will still be a highly viable phone for the next two years.

At which time one would presumably be able to use a subsidized upgrade for the iPhone 7.

The ROI on an iPhone isn't good enough on two years - I usually operate on a four year cycle, two years for me and two years for my wife. A 5S wouldn't deliver that, and so isn't worth it.

How about, instead of assuming you know exactly how this design will turn out, you wait until its released, try it out and base your decision on actual data.

I already have actual data - the 5 is already too big to comfortably use in practice, having had one for two years. What magical bit of design is going to give me longer thumbs? I carry round other phones for development, and I have a Nexus 5 - it's too big to use comfortably, just as the Nexus 4 was before it.
 
The ROI on an iPhone isn't good enough on two years - I usually operate on a four year cycle, two years for me and two years for my wife. A 5S wouldn't deliver that, and so isn't worth it.

How do you figure ROI? I was able to sell my 5 after 1 year of use for more than 75% of its original TOTAL cost. And I paid the subsidized cost.

After 2 years, its fairly easy to sell an iPhone for the subsidized cost - meaning you could essentially upgrade every two years without paying out of pocket.

Again - would love to see how you calculate ROI.

I already have actual data - the 5 is already too big to comfortably use in practice, having had one for two years. What magical bit of design is going to give me longer thumbs? I carry round other phones for development, and I have a Nexus 5 - it's too big to use comfortably, just as the Nexus 4 was before it.

No worries - like I said, the 5S will work for a long time to come. I don't know what other better 4" options are out there. Android devices in that size range are almost always gimped compared to their larger counterparts.

Also - the 5 is much smaller than the Nexus 4....
 
Only for those with gorilla-sized hands. Single-handed isn't comfortable or accurate enough even on the iPhone 5.

It depends on what you're wanting to accomplish with one hand.

If I'm walking (or driving :eek:) I can tap out a text message with one hand. The keyboard sits nicely at the bottom of the screen under my one thumb.

For most everything else... I use two hands.

Pinch and zoom requires two fingers... which isn't available in the one-handed one-thumbed method of smartphone holding. You're gonna need both your hands for that.

And I type better with two thumbs... which requires two hands. And sometimes I use the landscape keyboard.

Taking pictures? Two hands for better grip and steadiness.

And the list goes on.
 
The curved edges may help with the size, a little.... Very little.

And maybe they'll use the thinner case as another reason why it's still useable one-handed rather than backtrack on the "one-handed is best" positioning.

Or maybe they'll just say the obvious, i.e. hey, some people would rather have a larger screen than be able to use their phone one-handed. Definitely the right move to come out with larger screen sizes, but by the same token it'll be a shame if they drop the 4" size since some people will continue to prefer smaller.
 
How do you figure ROI? I was able to sell my 5 after 1 year of use for more than 75% of its original TOTAL cost. And I paid the subsidized cost.

After 2 years, its fairly easy to sell an iPhone for the subsidized cost - meaning you could essentially upgrade every two years without paying out of pocket.

Again - would love to see how you calculate ROI.

If I sold the phone after two years I wouldn't be able to give the handset to my wife for an additional two years, and then I'd have to buy her a phone too. Which would destroy the ROI. I need an iPhone to have a four year effective lifespan to justify the cost.

No worries - like I said, the 5S will work for a long time to come.

Well, it won't. It'll continue to work well for another twelve months, then passably for 12 months after that, and then quite badly after that. It is extremely constrained in RAM and future iOS versions will probably bump across that quite badly.

I don't know what other better 4" options are out there. Android devices in that size range are almost always gimped compared to their larger counterparts.

There aren't any, but I don't care for iOS particularly so if Apple can't offer me a size advantage I'll probably abandon the platform entirely.

Also - the 5 is much smaller than the Nexus 4....

I know. My point was that I have tried a wide variety of screen sizes in every day use and have more than enough data to know that a 4.7 inch screen is not usable comfortably for me under any circumstances.

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It depends on what you're wanting to accomplish with one hand.

IMO the single most important gestures to be able to accomplish one handed on the iPhone are one tap scrolling to the top of the page and selecting the Safari URL bar to enter a new address. Those are doable one handed now, they won't be going forward.

Also, a 4.7 screen will be too wide to type comfortably on one handed.
 
Ironically enough, while other companies (such as Samsung) mock Apple 'sheep', the truth is that most companies would love to have the brand loyalty that Apple does. They mock it because it suits their advertising needs (tell their customers that they're 'superior' to those other consumers) but if they had it, they'd love it.

Absolutely right. What company would NOT want what Apple has, particularly an ability to put something down like "who wants an iPod with video?" or poking lots of fun at big-screen smart phones and having the bulk of their base go right with them… even passionately make the very same arguments in forums like this (without having to pay for all that free marketing & PR spin & support) and then, when Apple flips with iPod with video or bigger-screened iPhones have that same base go right with them there and mostly pretend like they never found much/any fault with the prior stances. From a brand loyalty point of view, it can't get much better than that.

However, that part about "suiting their advertising needs" goes both ways. The very thing I'm poking fun at is Apple flipping to support whatever Apple wants to sell at the moment. If Apple really believed "who wants an iPod with video?" or really believed that bigger screen phones were not perfect, why shift now? Because there's money to be made by shifting and apparently Apple thinks there's more money to be made by shifting than sticking with the prior, public stance.

For the record, the 4" iPhone was still an enormous cockup and I would go back to 3.5 inches in a heartbeat if I could get one with modern hardware and a good camera.

I understand. Before there was a 4" iPhone, there appeared to be an enormous amount of people who agreed with you. After Apple shifted to 4" as the new "perfect" I've rarely seen many (though I have seen a few) publicly faulting Apple and/or longing for a smaller screen again. Some? Yes, but much fewer than there were before the crowd thought Apple was going to actually go to 4".

Personally, I believe the Android side has found a lot of success with the bigger screens. It is a very tangible (obvious) differentiation from Apple phones. That's about the change. If that benefit is a big deal to consumers, Apple is about to nullify that advantage while also bringing iOS to those longing for bigger screens. So, while we can see Android side as competitors (or some can't see them that way as everything not branded Apple is "abominations", etc), if those Android guys could find lots of buyers at 3.5" or smaller, they'd be there. Instead, they all seem to push the large… probably because that what the masses are buying from them.

Maybe if Apple goes there too (as it looks very likely now), all those waiting on large Apple phones will jump in and defectors who wanted large more than they wanted iOS will come back and then the bulk of the "I want large" itch will be scratched. If so, where do you go from there? There's going to be some upper size limit that actually can't make sense as something called a phone. So if the large screen market becomes maxed out, it seems the only place to go for phones will be back towards the small. Or maybe Dick Tracy watches? Or something else?
 
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New Video Shows Closer Look at Purported 4.7-Inch iPhone 6 Front Panel

If I sold the phone after two years I wouldn't be able to give the handset to my wife for an additional two years, and then I'd have to buy her a phone too. Which would destroy the ROI. I need an iPhone to have a four year effective lifespan to justify the cost.







Well, it won't. It'll continue to work well for another twelve months, then passably for 12 months after that, and then quite badly after that. It is extremely constrained in RAM and future iOS versions will probably bump across that quite badly.







There aren't any, but I don't care for iOS particularly so if Apple can't offer me a size advantage I'll probably abandon the platform entirely.







I know. My point was that I have tried a wide variety of screen sizes in every day use and have more than enough data to know that a 4.7 inch screen is not usable comfortably for me under any circumstances.

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IMO the single most important gestures to be able to accomplish one handed on the iPhone are one tap scrolling to the top of the page and selecting the Safari URL bar to enter a new address. Those are doable one handed now, they won't be going forward.



Also, a 4.7 screen will be too wide to type comfortably on one handed.


I'd really be interested to see how you KNOW the 5S will only be passable in 12 months. Hardware has completely blown by software at this point, so unless there are some major software upgrades and devs start pushing the limits of the 5S, it'll have far more longevity than the 4 or 4S.

Heck, I have a 5C - 2 year old hardware - and it's anything but passable. The phone works extremely well....even on iOS 8 (minus the beta bugs). The 5S has twice the processor power.

If you have two subsidies every two years and you sell an iPhone for $400 after two years (completely doable for a 2-yr old 16 GB), you can buy two new iPhones on subsidy and only be out tax and activation fees.

Just seems like you're reserved to this idea you have no options......doesn't seem like you've really exhausted all avenues. I really think you're assuming too much. But hey, I'm just offering some ideas. You are free to do whatever you want of course.
 
Ok, so besides potentially having a few hypocrites (what you'd might call them) on this board - what exactly is your point, except for mumbling "macrumors people = stupid!"?

Congratulations on finally finding one example of a "flip flopper", I can name at least three posters who failed to do so in the past after blabbering about "ample evidence for tons of flip floppers"... Although I don't find the example THAT great since he also posted this

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=19312493#post19312493

He hasn't said if he'll still buy Apple products or not. And afaik, 4.7 inches isn't necessarily a "Phablet" by definition. But anyway, at least you tried where those other posters have miserably failed before with all sorts of bizarre explanations.

On the contrary, he didn't finally find an example of a flip-flopper for the same reasons that you stated. It's not a flip flop because he did not suddenly sing praises for the proposed phone and say he's going to get one immediately and how great it is. The whole point of me asking the original question of the OP was to illustrate how full of holes his post was/is and it was proven because with all that ranting the only example he could provide was one that wasn't really an example.

The funny thing is: there’s way more finger pointing about people reversing their opinion, than actual cases of it. MR posts “Apple does this/that/other” that’s a change from a previous stance (stylus, display size, whatever...), and the “flip-flop police” are usually the first ones to comment, in droves, and spend a _huge_ amount of cycles pointing it out. It makes me chuckle. :D

Oh I know. That's why I ask that question. It doesn't happen. It hasn't happened.

Sorry, I also referenced other searches anyone could do if they wanted to take the time where they would find much more blatant flip flops. Yes, that wasn't a perfect example but was just readily available in one of today's posts. But if one took the time, they could find plenty of direct flips- especially on this particular topic of phone screen sizes.

That guy flipped from Apple is doomed to Apple is going to sell tons of them. We can't get "foaming at the mouth best iPhone ever" flips for iPhone 6 until Apple rolls them out. So stand by, wait for that launch and then see for yourself. All this "one handed use" and "need new pants pocket" stuff will just vanish.

Or just do your own research by looking back at the isight-less iPad 1 threads vs. FaceTime iPad 2 or "720p is good enough" vs. :apple:TV 3 launch threads and so on. Even the shift from the perfection of 3.5" to 4" had a great deal of negative bashing about the 4" before it launched, flipping to "I'm already in line" and "shut up and take my money" when Apple rolled it out… giving way to "Best iPhone ever" as soon as they could be possessed.

And per post #82, the flip flopping opinions of just going with whatever Apple rolls out or says makes me chuckle.

Sorry, you can't just tell me to "stand by" when you already made the post that this happens blatantly. In fact, you presented it as the norm rather than the exception. In fact, I'd argue it's not the exception either because it doesn't happen. It makes me chuckle when people like yourself post the same drivel about iSheep and how they just do whatever Apple says and then can't provide examples.

Like I said I give you credit for trying, most of the people don't even do that, but as you admitted the example you provided is a poor one. Again, you made it seem like the norm and if there really is "blatant" flip-floppping like you are once again claiming, I shouldn't have to be told to do my own research.

All I'm asking for is a little honesty in your posting. Do people have a crazy brand loyalty for Apple? Yes. Do people line up in droves to buy Apple products? Yes. Do people say they hate something that Apple may do and then say "I love it, it's awesome, best ever!!!" after Apple does it? Nope. Hasn't happened, and your example didn't prove that it has.

I have no interest in doing research because I know it doesn't happen. But, I would love to be proved wrong. Again, I don't need "many"...just one, direct flip flop.

I didn't say anything about "= stupid". But putting words in someone else's mouth to rally the troops is a classic tactic employed when someone doesn't like a post but can't actually fault what is actually posted. I wouldn't come here and bother communicating with others if I thought they were stupid. Instead, I think there are some very smart people here with good thoughts and who make great contributions to such discussions.

I also think it's pretty poor on your part to use the quote function but then write something into the quote as if I wrote it when I wrote no such thing. That's abusing the fundamental function of what a discussion forum like this is about.

The POINT of the post is that all this whining about "one handed use", "need new pants pockets" and so on will just evaporate as soon as Apple actually rolls out these bigger phones. If Apple drops the "one handed use" bullet in the marketing spin, so shall the bulk of this crowd. And the new bullets Apple spins in support of bigger screens will become the new arguments against phones by the other guys <4.7" and >5.5". Just wait and see it play out (again).

It will evaporate because the majority of people want and like the changes that are rumored to be coming out. It doesn't mean anyone is flip flopping. In your first post you said, people who call Apple users out are labeled as trolls. But what are you doing when you post lies and mistruths other than trolling?

I've seen the same type of post from you countless times and no one (including yourself) have proven that it has even a shred of truth in it.

Thank you but I wouldn't say "fake". Instead, I would use overwhelmingly brand loyal to even shift their own opinions based on what a corporation says. Harsher variations would use the "kool-aid" or "fanboy" references but even those are probably dominated by people who just think Apple is so wonderful- even magical- that whatever Apple says must be right. If Apple takes a stance like "why would anyone want video on an iPod?" it makes no sense to have video on an iPod. Then, Apple flips by rolling out an iPod with video and "we" roll right with them.

I think Apple has done such an amazing job of building brand loyalty that the so-called RDF actually works for many. In topics like this one, if one has spent the last months or years bashing phone screens bigger than 3.5" or 4", their opinion should not change- or easily change- when Apple rolls out screens bigger than 4". But there's the conflict: Apple is always right vs. what Apple has deemed as "perfect" up to now. To resolve that conflict requires one of those to give. The obvious one to give is the current "perfect" because the new "perfect" is going to roll out anyway and "we" want to buy whatever new that Apple is selling.

Personally, I find the individual shifting of opinions to go with whatever Apple says funny. But I can also appreciate it from the impressive brand loyalty point of view. How many other companies can easily tell consumers what they should like or not like through new product launches and have many go right with them? How many other companies can take a stand (like "720p is good enough" when their set-top box could only output 720p) when the majority of everything else had embraced 1080p and have their customers posting passionate arguments in support of the company stance on a private forum like this one? Then, when Apple rolls out the 1080p-capable model, all that mass of argument against 1080p and for 720p just ceases as if it never happened. Same with no iSight in iPad 1 vs. FaceTime in iPad 2. Same with 3.5" perfection vs. 4" perfection in iPhone generations. And so on.

Again, you're lying. Why? There are no individual shifting of opinions. You haven't proven so. Be honest.
 
Thank you but I wouldn't say "fake". Instead, I would use overwhelmingly brand loyal to even shift their own opinions based on what a corporation says. Harsher variations would use the "kool-aid" or "fanboy" references but even those are probably dominated by people who just think Apple is so wonderful- even magical- that whatever Apple says must be right. If Apple takes a stance like "why would anyone want video on an iPod?" it makes no sense to have video on an iPod. Then, Apple flips by rolling out an iPod with video and "we" roll right with them.

I think Apple has done such an amazing job of building brand loyalty that the so-called RDF actually works for many. In topics like this one, if one has spent the last months or years bashing phone screens bigger than 3.5" or 4", their opinion should not change- or easily change- when Apple rolls out screens bigger than 4". But there's the conflict: Apple is always right vs. what Apple has deemed as "perfect" up to now. To resolve that conflict requires one of those to give. The obvious one to give is the current "perfect" because the new "perfect" is going to roll out anyway and "we" want to buy whatever new that Apple is selling.

Personally, I find the individual shifting of opinions to go with whatever Apple says funny. But I can also appreciate it from the impressive brand loyalty point of view. How many other companies can easily tell consumers what they should like or not like through new product launches and have many go right with them? How many other companies can take a stand (like "720p is good enough" when their set-top box could only output 720p) when the majority of everything else had embraced 1080p and have their customers posting passionate arguments in support of the company stance on a private forum like this one? Then, when Apple rolls out the 1080p-capable model, all that mass of argument against 1080p and for 720p just ceases as if it never happened. Same with no iSight in iPad 1 vs. FaceTime in iPad 2. Same with 3.5" perfection vs. 4" perfection in iPhone generations. And so on.

Haha, yeah exactly. People accept their **** because it's Apple and their users are still happy when not receiving the latest tech. Like you said, Apple is still pulling the same trick with not adding the latest stuff so they can do it in the next update and amaze people then.


Always reminds of me this, watch from the 1:01 mark. So funny, yet so true.

Same thing happened with the iPad Air not receiving touch ID, now they can ''revolutionize'' the Air again when they add touch ID. :p

Anyways, the reason I personally like Apple is for Mac OS and the beautiful MacBook Air. The iPhone stuff is much less appealing to me since they nickel and dime they customers so hard on that one. Asking huge prices for storage increases and instead of reducing the base price, they also reduce the storage making the phone (5c in this example) much less usable.
 
Haha, yeah exactly. People accept their **** because it's Apple and their users are still happy when not receiving the latest tech. Like you said, Apple is still pulling the same trick with not adding the latest stuff so they can do it in the next update and amaze people then.

YouTube: video

Always reminds of me this, watch from the 1:01 mark. So funny, yet so true.

Same thing happened with the iPad Air not receiving touch ID, now they can ''revolutionize'' the Air again when they add touch ID. :p

Anyways, the reason I personally like Apple is for Mac OS and the beautiful MacBook Air. The iPhone stuff is much less appealing to me since they nickel and dime they customers so hard on that one. Asking huge prices for storage increases and instead of reducing the base price, they also reduce the storage making the phone (5c in this example) much less usable.

I don't deny this happens to a degree.....but something like Touch ID could've (and likely was) held back due to supply constraints. A brand new technology takes a bit of time to mass produce in the quantities we would be talking about.

As a long-time Apple user, I in no way feel like I have "old tech". I've used various Android devices and there's nothing there that I'm missing out on. Don't you think Samsung could've made the GS4 waterproof? Of course - but they held it until this year's iteration.

Happens all over the place - as the industry matures, new features will come at a slower pace. Companies need to space out the features they add to keep things fresh while trying to come up with the REAL "next big thing". At the same time, it makes it easier than trying to pack everything into a device as soon as possible. You're just asking for issues there....
 
People adapt very quickly to what makes sense.

If that extra bezel space is holding extra chips, battery, speakers etc then that's fine. It probably will.

But if you're saying the G3 and One look ugly?? Well, you're clearly wrong.


I've never had an issue with the borders on the iPhone. I am addressing those who want Apple to make the bezels smaller. This won't happen unless they can achieve a symmetrical design. So I'm pretty sure you will never see a design from Apple like the G3 which has one bezel bigger at the bottom than the top.

In terms of the G3 and One M8 its opinion. I find them both ugly. Like I said I have a big dislike for off centre displays because it ruins the look of the phone. I like everything to be balanced in terms of looks. The original One was more acceptable but still rather annoying.

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I've had basically nothing but those for my whole life, but I've never found it the least bit inconvenient. I can't think of any reason why it would be?

Its personal taste. In terms of design I prefer everything to be mirrored and balanced. It particularly annoys me when watching video.

I also use the Apple Bluetooth keyboard because when its on the desk its directly centred with my iMac. Whereas the long keyboard with number pad leaves the letters keys off centre.

Yes I may be weird but its my personal taste lol :p
 
I thought the 5.5 inch was for me, but after seeing this video, I will likely go with the 4.7. I had no idea that the screen was so tall. It pretty much covers the top bezel on the iphone 5 when he overlays it! Hardly any increase in lateral size though.
 
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