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For real. I wonder if even Clinton/Bush/Obama/Trump knows what's going on...
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New WikiLeaks Series Details CIA's 'Specialized Unit' Dedicated to Creating iOS Exploits
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For real. I wonder if even Clinton/Bush/Obama/Trump knows what's going on...
To be fair, there's nothing here that says they deployed these techniques on US citizens. CIA's mission is foreign intelligence not domestic. That said I'm not naive, I just wouldn't make the jump from this article to that statement.
Yet Trump was targeted for political purposes, not for some BS fake "colluding with the Russians" narrative.
Nil.
The exploits are all at the platform level. Unless you're going to invest in soup cans and string, you don't have many options outside of the reach of someone looking for a software vulnerability.
The number one lie people tell themselves is that "The Government can't/won't do that!"
The number two lie people tell themselves is "Well, I'm not doing anything wrong, so why does it matter?"
The truth is that an innocent person cannot be manipulated, as they have nothing to hold over them. Sooner, or later, something valuable will be found by those that want to manipulate you, and will, at their leisure, use that to bend your will.
The number two lie people tell themselves is "Well, I'm not doing anything wrong, so why does it matter?"
The truth is that an innocent person cannot be manipulated, as they have nothing to hold over them. Sooner, or later, something valuable will be found by those that want to manipulate you, and will, at their leisure, use that to bend your will.
This is why I have a OnePlus. This way, I know, without a doubt, I am under surveillance.
No it's not platform level, it's end-point level. A TV is an end-point. An iPhone is an end-point.
If you read "The Devil's Chessboard" you'd know that there has never been a single US president that was in control of the CIA (in particular). In fact, the one guy that wanted to dismantle the agency ended up dead....
Truman released a thinly veiled warning about the CIA in the The Washington Post immediately after JFK's assassination:
http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry Truman's CIA article.html
Oh, and the guy that JFK kicked out of the head of the CIA (the man that literally set it up from the forerunner OSS, Allen Dulles) was put at the head of the investigation into his murder...funny, that.
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Governments spying? That's old news, it's the oldest profession starting with God spying on Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden...
Several comments:
1. I would suspect the CIA to develop such tools; it's part of developing tradecraft that keeps up with technology. No surprise there.
2. Depending on what was leaked those looking to hack for profit just received free how-to guides to vulnerabilities they may not have realized exist. Even if the details of how to exploit them are not available knowing where to look can save a lot of time as well as identify ones not previously thought to exist.
3. How they were used is key. If it was directed against foreign agents and suspected agents then it is part of the CIA's job. Domestic surveillance is the FBI's job with the associated warrants, etc.
4. The comment "The Vulnerabilities Equities Process underlined this agreement in 2010, and the U.S. government said it would reveal any vulnerabilities discovered to the company in question." appears to misstate the VEP requirements. Per the EFF, the VEP is a policy [the government] uses to decide whether to disclose information about security vulnerabilities or instead withhold this information for its own purposes, including law enforcement, intelligence collection, and "offensive" exploitation; so the VEP has no blanket requirement to disclose any vulnerability, it is merely a way to decide if it should be disclosed.
Several comments:
1. I would suspect the CIA to develop such tools; it's part of developing tradecraft that keeps up with technology. No surprise there.
2. Depending on what was leaked those looking to hack for profit just received free how-to guides to vulnerabilities they may not have realized exist. Even if the details of how to exploit them are not available knowing where to look can save a lot of time as well as identify ones not previously thought to exist.
3. How they were used is key. If it was directed against foreign agents and suspected agents then it is part of the CIA's job. Domestic surveillance is the FBI's job with the associated warrants, etc.
4. The comment "The Vulnerabilities Equities Process underlined this agreement in 2010, and the U.S. government said it would reveal any vulnerabilities discovered to the company in question." appears to misstate the VEP requirements. Per the EFF, the VEP is a policy [the government] uses to decide whether to disclose information about security vulnerabilities or instead withhold this information for its own purposes, including law enforcement, intelligence collection, and "offensive" exploitation; so the VEP has no blanket requirement to disclose any vulnerability, it is merely a way to decide if it should be disclosed.
These should not have been leaked, and the person or people who leaked these exploits should be locked away for a long time. I don't like the surveillance state, but at least we have some control over it through democratic legislation. However, release these tools into the wild and all sorts of criminal gangs and hostile nations can use them against the US. Snowden leaked information, the clown(s) that leaked these tools leaked ammunition.
Why is this news? Why is this supposed to be alarming?
I mean, for literally as long as there has been human society, governing forces have had the ability to come along and seize an individual's property, to imprison and even kill them, all without much recourse.
Is it really such a terrible revelation, or development, that our nation's Intelligence Community has developed methods to exploit mobile phones and other electronic devices as a means of espionage?
I'm pretty certain that, even if they had the legal means to do so (which they don't) the NSA has pretty much zero interest in hacking into your Samsung TV to listen to you burping and farting on the couch as you snooze through an episode of Modern Family or Game of Thrones.
We spend tens, probably hundreds of billions of dollars a year on our intelligence community. It appears they are using some of that money to develop tools that will let them keep track on the sort of Russian spies and terrorists who really pose a risk to us all.
Good for the NSA.
I mean, for literally as long as there has been human society, governing forces have had the ability to come along and seize an individual's property, to imprison and even kill them, all without much recourse.
Is it really such a terrible revelation, or development, that our nation's Intelligence Community has developed methods to exploit mobile phones and other electronic devices as a means of espionage?
I'm pretty certain that, even if they had the legal means to do so (which they don't) the NSA has pretty much zero interest in hacking into your Samsung TV to listen to you burping and farting on the couch as you snooze through an episode of Modern Family or Game of Thrones.
We spend tens, probably hundreds of billions of dollars a year on our intelligence community. It appears they are using some of that money to develop tools that will let them keep track on the sort of Russian spies and terrorists who really pose a risk to us all.
Good for the NSA.
FYI, no matter how hard you all may try, this is not on Trump's watch. Sorry.
They are finding exploits in iOS and Android and not letting Apple and Google know about them. How is that not a platform exploit?
CIA lost control over the material and it was proliferated amongst unauthorised persons outside the agency, one of whom blew the whistle.
CIA should be shut down. It's run by special interest groups outside the US Government control, specifically extremist zionist interest groups. CIA is not acting in the interest of the U.S. of A.
Close it down and rebuild something good you have control over.
And are you not so sure the "Russian" issue is not a diversion from the Dems to cover their tracks? Keep in mind, none of the reports of Trump, or Trump people colluding with Russia have been verifiable or confirmed. In fact, most have been debunked along the way as being total BS or business as usual meetings.
As for me, I'm keeping an open mind in both directions... what if Trump is right? If he is, then it's biggest corruption exposure ever of our current government. If the Dems are right, then the same holds true in the other direction.
nationalism is dangerous... we are supposed to abide by the constitution.
what are the implications of referencing jailbreak stuff? they use that to get into older iOS versions?
also, cant wait to see what spin Timmy puts on this one. Apple is vulnerable to 0day just like any other platform or software made by man/machine/corp
also, cant wait to see what spin Timmy puts on this one. Apple is vulnerable to 0day just like any other platform or software made by man/machine/corp
VrDrew has been unhinged towards Russia since about October or so, pay no attention to it.
Fortunately, it seems most of the exploits and kernel hacks are on the Android side rather than iOS. I also saw a message where someone lamented how java attacks no longer worked in El Capitan. At least Apple makes more of an effort than Microsoft or Android.
AMPS was even easier to monitor.Time to go back to the good ol days
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For real. I wonder if even Clinton/Bush/Obama/Trump knows what's going on...
Let my Gordon Gekko personality dream for a minute, will ya?
In other news, water is wet. This should be a surprise to no one by now.