Also
DDR4 RAM much faster more data
HDR support HDR 4K Netflix or any HDR content
Less expensive
SD card slot
Better battery life
Higher resolution IPS display
I mean across the board it's superior.
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New XPS 15 absolutely crushes MBP
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DDR4 RAM much faster more data
HDR support HDR 4K Netflix or any HDR content
Less expensive
SD card slot
Better battery life
Higher resolution IPS display
I mean across the board it's superior.
Yes, true the dGPU in the SB PB is very nice, and the screen looks great too. And there's the detachable thing. I'm used to a 17", so I like to have different things going on each side of the screen, probably wouldn't like the 3:2 aspect as much, but like other differences, that's something that different people will have different preferences about. Choosing a computer is a personal thing that way. I think of the XPS as closest to the MBP in overall intent, the SB as something different but excellent for those who want something a little different.
That's unfortunate. Even back when I had a Dell Studio 15, the processor whined when in certain idle states. Seems even 6 years later, Dells computer noise concerns end at fan noise.
Ach. Never any perfect answers, are there. The rMBP 15 with the new XPS 15s specs would be ideal.
No, it really isn't that clear-cut. For one thing, you're likely wrong about the battery life, which was markedly worse before and probably still won't catch up. The new battery is only 13 WH bigger than before, and the screen and DDR4 RAM will still draw more power, especially with 32 GB.
The MBP ports will remain more powerful, though the XPS's legacy ports are a nice convenience.
The UHD screen is higher resolution but quite a bit less bright, with lower contrast and, without calibration that requires extra equipment, not as accurate.
The MBP SSD will very likely remain faster due to its custom controller.
The MBP speakers will remain better.
The MBP will remain smaller and lighter, especially if you include the chargers.
The build quality of the MBP is generally acknowledged to be superior.
And of course there's the OS, which people will have different preferences about.
The XPS is an excellent machine at a great price, and the new one will be even better when it finally arrives. But even then there will still be good reasons for some to prefer the MBP.
Nope. Q1 2017 sees the release of these CPUs which are high wattage in the XPS 15:
Intel Core i3-7100HQ, a quad-core Core i5-7300HQ or a quad-core Core i7-7700HQ CPU
These are 35 watt, 45 watt and 45 watt, respectively.
Skylake saw a max TDP of 45 watt on its higher end i7, one of which is included in the 15" MBP.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10937/dell-readies-new-xps-15-4k-quad-core-kaby-lake-geforce-gtx-1050
The XPS lineup was never meant to be a mainstream budget brand like Dell's other lines. It's a performance orientated lineup short of their mobile workstations.
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I feel so bad for all these XPS 15 owners that are so insecure about their laptop purchase, and need to come to a Mac forum to showcase their buggy laptop with a webcam that look up through their nose.
HEVC/H.265
The DRM is useless to anyone with half a brain and the knowledge to bypass it. I've been told that the KL chips offer better processing of 4K video decode than previous chips.
what does 'superior' mean? PC's have had better performance specs for a long time but the experience, service and quality of build is not superior by any means.
Why do people not get this? Yes, if you need raw power windows is the best way forward, but if you want end to end experience Apple really is the only game in town.
In reality, the performance of Apple machines is fine for most users.
Also guys don't forget that the majority of people in the world do not live in the US where there are many MS stores. So support is totally and utterly **** in comparison to Apple if you don't have a local store. This is based upon first hand experience.
No Dell stores either....... really it is the Apple Store that makes all the difference in buying and owning confidently for me. When MS gets more of a presence in Aus I may be more keen to buy from there but not right now.
Why don't you buy a windows laptop like this Dell and let me know what the resale value is in a year. I think your on the wrong forum complaining about everything Apple does.
On paper the Dell is very appealing. If Apple made the same machine with the same specs but Apple designs and quality I'd gladly buy it and probably be a bit happier than buying what they offer now. Many of their design decisions I can see the trade-offs in with regard to their current machines. People who really dig into them often note them as well. I doubt the Dell can drive two 5K monitors and run some fast external SSD's.
In fact I go to a thread like this and know I would not want to own a Dell computer.
Some of those were early teething problems but even in the last three pages you have hinges coming loose, people still having issues with drivers, screens flickering and speakers crackling. It reads like the script for a horror movie.
I would get neither latest XPS 15 and MBP to save money and have the ideal footprint to get the "12 MacBook (2016) with its improved butterfly keyboard. The "13 Airs has a large footprint with too much bezel and lacks Retina while the Pros can be a tad heavier and the tbMBP seems to have terrible battery life. Apple should make the 2017 MacBook the entry-level model to succeed over the Air. This is better than the iPad Pro since iOS can never replicate a full desktop experience for me.
While I agree that Macbooks are underpowered for their price level (16gb RAM and a Radeon 450 in a $2600 laptop? WTF Apple!), there is MUCH MORE to a computer than just the specs on papers.
First of all, MacOS is much better optimized than Windows, thus you dont need as much raw muscle. Same with iOS vs Android. Moreover, the keyboard and trackpad in a MBP are simply in another league when compared to XPS. And then there is the operating system itself: sorry guys, but MacOS 10 is still vastly superior to Windows 10. Everytime I gotta work on my gaming PC (a Windows 10 beast), I realize how much more fluid and user friendly MacOS is.
So yeah, while on paper a Windows laptop might seem better value, sheer specs only tell a portion of the story.
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Only a small percentage of users will be able to utilize the nominal spec advantage of PC vs Apple (gamers, high end CAD designers, etc). For the vast majority of the users, quality finesse and end-to-end experience is by far more important, and Apple is king in that department.
First of all, MacOS is much better optimized than Windows, thus you dont need as much raw muscle. Same with iOS vs Android. Moreover, the keyboard and trackpad in a MBP are simply in another league when compared to XPS. And then there is the operating system itself: sorry guys, but MacOS 10 is still vastly superior to Windows 10. Everytime I gotta work on my gaming PC (a Windows 10 beast), I realize how much more fluid and user friendly MacOS is.
So yeah, while on paper a Windows laptop might seem better value, sheer specs only tell a portion of the story.
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Only a small percentage of users will be able to utilize the nominal spec advantage of PC vs Apple (gamers, high end CAD designers, etc). For the vast majority of the users, quality finesse and end-to-end experience is by far more important, and Apple is king in that department.
I've used Windows for 20 years. And Macs. Both for work and home, both daily.
Windows 10 is a great iteration. MacOS has frankly felt stale and dated for at least 2 major releases. I'm not sure what mobile messaging apps have to do with anything?
Yeah, I wrote something like that years ago, the user experience, build quality and specs mean nothing, and now I'm over it because it not longer holds true, and ready to switch to the better Windows 10 this year
Let me know how that goes and what you buy, I am genuinely interested.
I own a small shop selling high end laptops (mostly gaming) and I have tried countless times to switch myself to windows but always come home. The closest laptop that I have nearly switched for is the surface book but that is currently at the bottom of my cupboard whilst I use a 13" tbMBP for my daily driver.
The thing I love about macs is the completeness of the package. Ok, it doesn't have a high end graphics card so if you game look elsewhere. But when you use them for work daily they really are solid machines.
With regards to the surface book, it has some great features but my gripes are:
Silver keys with white backlight so they are difficult to see in daytime.
Keyboard backlight times out after a few seconds and cannot be adjusted.
Terrible speakers
Often turns on in my bag causing a hot bag and laptop with no battery left.
I also had a few issues with Windows mail and Windows groove music, both of which are terrible forcing you to have to install 3rd party applications (I refuse to rent office 365).
Next was the xps 15 9550, great on paper but a terrible machine to own.
1080p screen response time was so slow I got a headache and the 4K mirror had so much glare I could only use in dark room.
Horrible feeling keyboard
I had psu whine
There were so many bugs I went through 7 bios and still not everything worked properly.
Terrible tinny speakers
Average battery life
Build quality was no where near a mbp
Here's a few tricks:
for screenshot it's the built-in snipping tool (use cortana to launch or press the Windows key, type the first letters until Snipping tools appears). You can highlight & draw in your capture + copy & paste in any applications.
ALT-TAB: switch between applications
WINDOWS-TAB: bring an expose like view
CTRL-TAB: move from one tab to the other in a web browser
CTRL-pageup: go to next tab in browser
CTRL-pagedown: go to previous tab in a browser
CTRL+ scrollwheel : zoom in web browser, will change icon size on desktop.
ALT-F4 : close application
CTRL-F4: close current window from a MDI application (or close current tab in a browser)
WINDOWS-M: minimize all app
GOD MODE: create a new folder (location doesn't matter, you can create it on your desktop), use this for the name : GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}
double click to open the folder and access all settings from a central location.
Microsoft's list of all Windows shortcut keys:
link
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it's takes more than a month to get used to a system. I've been on PC for more than 20 years and when I switched to a macbook+imac combo in 2007, it tooks me more than one month to be productive on a Mac. Simple things, like taking a screenshot, are not so simple on a Mac. The worst part is that I was used to do things on Windows a specific way and was trying to do it the same way under a Mac.
The same thing would happen from a Mac going to a PC. For sure, if you go into a store and buy a different system, it will be a shock.
The Mac is easier overall for a new user, most of the things just works. At work, most of the tech are in shock when they need to work on a Mac (which we don't officially support).
Windows is becoming better on the software integration side. Cloud integration for contacts,calendar,xbox & android notification supports on desktop. If you don't mind the telemetry and spying stuff, it's not that bad
Personally will stick with MBP, im 18, never got a computer with Windows, apple computers are just superior, build quality, better OS and that's it.
If Apple had equiped the tbMBP with a GTX 1050/1060 and upgradable SSD (maybe RAM), it would be the perfect laptop, the problem for me is that just because of the middle-class graphic cards I am tempted to get a PC, apple becomes frustrating, and that's a shame
PS: Friend of mine has a XPS, it's nice, but plastic.
If Apple had equiped the tbMBP with a GTX 1050/1060 and upgradable SSD (maybe RAM), it would be the perfect laptop, the problem for me is that just because of the middle-class graphic cards I am tempted to get a PC, apple becomes frustrating, and that's a shame
PS: Friend of mine has a XPS, it's nice, but plastic.
Fact is that mac os x, is stable, well optimised, easier to use than windows, and
Build quality is also better, the only problem on a MBP for me is the graphic card...
Wow, thanks so much for this. I am embarrassed that I didn't know about this before. As a computer consultant, this will be super helpful to me day to day!Here's a few tricks:
GOD MODE: create a new folder (location doesn't matter, you can create it on your desktop), use this for the name : GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}
double click to open the folder and access all settings from a central location.