The only laptop I want is the 12" MacBook. I have a powerful desktop, so I don't need to use it for anything intensive. It's just such a perfectly-sized device. Really hoping a Kaby Lake refresh comes out in March or April!
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New XPS 15 absolutely crushes MBP
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The only laptop I want is the 12" MacBook. I have a powerful desktop, so I don't need to use it for anything intensive. It's just such a perfectly-sized device. Really hoping a Kaby Lake refresh comes out in March or April!
That's not fact at all, but clearly opinion. I use both, and like both, but Windows 10 is one hell of a lot more intuitive than MacOS has ever been. The contextual finder menus? The launch bar? None of these things are "easy to use",... you're just used to them. I also haven't had any more frequent crashes on my Windows 10 machines than i have on my 13 Air or 15 MBP - ie both are rare, and usually only when I'm doing something graphically complex and pushing them to their limit.
Build quality is clearly now debatable: this forum is 50% MBP QA issues with scratched chassis, some graphic card mystery that still isn't fixed, and a battery ranging from 3-15 hours, without explanation.
Pretending everything's fine and roses in Apple world is exactly what's destroying it.
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Yes it crushes it. No question about it. So does the new X1 Carbon by Lenovo.
Pretty much any laptop over 1500 completely crushes the new MBP....at any price.
The new MBP is a sad excuse for a computer.
Old technology, old ram, old processors but still somehow they find the need to 'push technology' and force everyone to adopt to usb-c because two years from now that's the way everything will be....lol
Instead, why not just make another machine by then.
Sad sad excuse for a laptop.
My 5 cents:
- Kaby Lake: good! Still, it was not released when the MBP was introduced. IMO, they did the right thing by not waiting for it. And Apple can always refresh in late spring etc.
- 32GB RAM. Has been discussed over and over again. Being in the category of users for whom 16GB is enough, I very much prefer the more energy-efficient LPDDR3 on the MBP.
- Nvidia 1050 GTX. A straigtforward upgrade from the 960M, nice. About 15-20% faster than the 460 Pro, but also less energy-efficient. Again, personally, I prefer the reduced footprint of the MBP. The difference between the two GPUs is not that large that you'd have a very different experience, except when you are using a software that is built with CUDA in mind and neglects OpenCL support.
- The 4K display. Its very nice of course, but the last iteration was a known power hog. The problem is that Dell included a display in a laptop which is actually unsuitable for laptop use (too high power draw). The MBP's display is a compromise, however, a more usable one — it is brighter, has better contrast and consumes less power. However, let us wait and see whether Dell has improved the display this year.
All in all, the Dell remains a very nice option. Its slightly less mobile than the MBP, but offers a notch higher CPU/GPU performance for those who need it. And of course, the price point is very attractive. Crushes? Hardly. The difference will be more or less the same as with last years models (actually, the relative GPU performance gap has shrunk).
- Kaby Lake: good! Still, it was not released when the MBP was introduced. IMO, they did the right thing by not waiting for it. And Apple can always refresh in late spring etc.
- 32GB RAM. Has been discussed over and over again. Being in the category of users for whom 16GB is enough, I very much prefer the more energy-efficient LPDDR3 on the MBP.
- Nvidia 1050 GTX. A straigtforward upgrade from the 960M, nice. About 15-20% faster than the 460 Pro, but also less energy-efficient. Again, personally, I prefer the reduced footprint of the MBP. The difference between the two GPUs is not that large that you'd have a very different experience, except when you are using a software that is built with CUDA in mind and neglects OpenCL support.
- The 4K display. Its very nice of course, but the last iteration was a known power hog. The problem is that Dell included a display in a laptop which is actually unsuitable for laptop use (too high power draw). The MBP's display is a compromise, however, a more usable one — it is brighter, has better contrast and consumes less power. However, let us wait and see whether Dell has improved the display this year.
All in all, the Dell remains a very nice option. Its slightly less mobile than the MBP, but offers a notch higher CPU/GPU performance for those who need it. And of course, the price point is very attractive. Crushes? Hardly. The difference will be more or less the same as with last years models (actually, the relative GPU performance gap has shrunk).
The pretense would be that record sales amount to destruction, of course. By objective standards, including build quality, Macs are about where they've always been, always lagging in some ways and leading in others. There's a lot of emotional reaction involved, though.
Yet all the claims of build quality and keyboard issues on the new XPS are OK even though not one has used one yet?
You make it sound like it is a bad thing..... Yes it is Windows, but they do not use Windows Vista anymore you know?
You know may be people buy computer to use them, not to sell them 1 year later...
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I plan to avoid HP, ASUS, and Dell at all cost. My ASUS two-in-one craps out of me with barely two years of usage. It sometimes doesn't turn on, poor standby time where I have to force it to turn off while the lid is closed, and certain keys no longer work. Lenovo, HP, and Dell might be tops for PC sales but I plan to avoid them forever. Never again with ASUS either just like I had a bad experience with Sony VAIO. The only PC OEM I might trust for Windows is maybe Toshiba (Japan) because I've had some good luck with them. The rest should stick to Apple for reliability.
Dell? Ha!
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It was a tough time at Apple — we were trading below book value on the market — our enterprise value was actually less than our cash on hand. And the rumors were everywhere that we were going to be acquired by Sun. Someone in the audience asked him about Michael Dell’s suggestion in the press a few days previous that Apple should just shut down and return the cash to shareholders, and as I recall, Steve’s response was: “**** Michael Dell.”
2009
2015
Apple's MacBook Air is the most reliable laptop on the market, according to a survey of nearly 60,000 American consumers conducted recently by Consumer Reports.
The ultra-light notebook has an estimated failure rate of 7% within the first three years of ownership, according to the publication's poll of people who purchased a laptop in the last five years.
Apple's other primary line of laptops, the pricier MacBook Pro, came in with a failure rate of 9%. Combined, Apple's mobile PCs turned in a failure rate of 10%, the lowest of any OEM (original equipment manufacturer).
MacBooks fail at lower rates than those powered by Windows even though they're used three hours more each week than the overall average.
Consumer Reports found that Windows-powered laptops, which on average are much less expensive than those sold by Apple, failed at significantly higher rates. Those made and sold by Gateway and Samsung, for example, failed at an estimated rate of 16% in the first three years. Notebooks from Acer, Asus, Dell, HP, Lenovo and Toshiba, meanwhile, were in the 18% to 19% range.
Each Windows OEM had specific models that failed at rates less than the average, just like Apple: Lenovo ThinkPads, for instance, failed at an estimated rate of 15% during the first three years, three percentage points under the Chinese OEM's average, while Dell's XPS portfolio, also with a 15% failure rate, was four points better than average.
Dell? Ha!
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It was a tough time at Apple — we were trading below book value on the market — our enterprise value was actually less than our cash on hand. And the rumors were everywhere that we were going to be acquired by Sun. Someone in the audience asked him about Michael Dell’s suggestion in the press a few days previous that Apple should just shut down and return the cash to shareholders, and as I recall, Steve’s response was: “**** Michael Dell.”
2009
2015
Apple's MacBook Air is the most reliable laptop on the market, according to a survey of nearly 60,000 American consumers conducted recently by Consumer Reports.
The ultra-light notebook has an estimated failure rate of 7% within the first three years of ownership, according to the publication's poll of people who purchased a laptop in the last five years.
Apple's other primary line of laptops, the pricier MacBook Pro, came in with a failure rate of 9%. Combined, Apple's mobile PCs turned in a failure rate of 10%, the lowest of any OEM (original equipment manufacturer).
MacBooks fail at lower rates than those powered by Windows even though they're used three hours more each week than the overall average.
Consumer Reports found that Windows-powered laptops, which on average are much less expensive than those sold by Apple, failed at significantly higher rates. Those made and sold by Gateway and Samsung, for example, failed at an estimated rate of 16% in the first three years. Notebooks from Acer, Asus, Dell, HP, Lenovo and Toshiba, meanwhile, were in the 18% to 19% range.
Each Windows OEM had specific models that failed at rates less than the average, just like Apple: Lenovo ThinkPads, for instance, failed at an estimated rate of 15% during the first three years, three percentage points under the Chinese OEM's average, while Dell's XPS portfolio, also with a 15% failure rate, was four points better than average.
Apple market share is basically as high as its every been. November was good time to buy shares
I plan to avoid HP, ASUS, and Dell at all cost. My ASUS two-in-one craps out of me with barely two years of usage. It sometimes doesn't turn on, poor standby time where I have to force it to turn off while the lid is closed, and certain keys no longer work. Lenovo, HP, and Dell might be tops for PC sales but I plan to avoid them forever. Never again with ASUS either just like I had a bad experience with Sony VAIO. The only PC OEM I might trust for Windows is maybe Toshiba (Japan) because I've had some good luck with them. The rest should stick to Apple for reliability.
Dell? Ha!
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It was a tough time at Apple — we were trading below book value on the market — our enterprise value was actually less than our cash on hand. And the rumors were everywhere that we were going to be acquired by Sun. Someone in the audience asked him about Michael Dell’s suggestion in the press a few days previous that Apple should just shut down and return the cash to shareholders, and as I recall, Steve’s response was: “F*** Michael Dell.”
2009
2015
Apple's MacBook Air is the most reliable laptop on the market, according to a survey of nearly 60,000 American consumers conducted recently by Consumer Reports.
The ultra-light notebook has an estimated failure rate of 7% within the first three years of ownership, according to the publication's poll of people who purchased a laptop in the last five years.
Apple's other primary line of laptops, the pricier MacBook Pro, came in with a failure rate of 9%. Combined, Apple's mobile PCs turned in a failure rate of 10%, the lowest of any OEM (original equipment manufacturer).
MacBooks fail at lower rates than those powered by Windows even though they're used three hours more each week than the overall average.
Consumer Reports found that Windows-powered laptops, which on average are much less expensive than those sold by Apple, failed at significantly higher rates. Those made and sold by Gateway and Samsung, for example, failed at an estimated rate of 16% in the first three years. Notebooks from Acer, Asus, Dell, HP, Lenovo and Toshiba, meanwhile, were in the 18% to 19% range.
Each Windows OEM had specific models that failed at rates less than the average, just like Apple: Lenovo ThinkPads, for instance, failed at an estimated rate of 15% during the first three years, three percentage points under the Chinese OEM's average, while Dell's XPS portfolio, also with a 15% failure rate, was four points better than average.
And how many had to buy a £70 charging cables every 18 months? I've bought 6 since 2012, the wiring is so cheap. They're literally the most cheaply made tat on the mainstream laptop market. I've *never* bought a replacement for another brand, even a budget one.
Also strip those figures by price. A $400 laptop fails before a $2500? No ****! Cost vs cost, the Apple longevity fantasy falls apart.
Apple with less failure rate that other brand, and Apple have more tough quality define of failure, most of PC will very degrade and feel old after two years.
I also have very bad experiments of Asus even this come with 2 years warranty, the stereo speakers is very not balance
and exchange two times some issue, Asus said this within their standard. The SD card slot already died after few month and they said don't use bad quality SD card (I only use Toshiba and Sandisk high speed card ), the screen flicker and degrade is normal. Also, upgrade windows like play roulette, have chance to died your computer on upgrade even the weekly auto update, and the PC will said this problem from Win ask Microsoft, Microsoft will said Driver problem as PC.
The MacBook you can just ask Apple because they work for all.
Apple market share is basically as high as its every been. November was good time to buy shares
You literally are talking nonsense. If you own Apple shares - and not because you're shorting them and they're part of a trigger-sell portfolio - you're acting very, very oddly... and probably shouldn't be buying Apple shares. You're buying Moo.com at the height of the bubble.
I can use the old type magsafe power supply after three years and the cable like new. Don't thing cheap.
Either you never leave your desk or some magic is happening. Or you've never done much more than web browsing (heat is a factor).
The fragility of the wire insulation is legendary... and has a thousand posts here. It's not controversial. It's agreed fact.
I would say this probably varies with usage, I don't believe someone using it the same way won't see the same kind of wear with any other brand, then again, I won't say the MagSafe chargers are the most durable. But with some care, they won't spoil 6 times in 3 years that's for sure.
The MagSafe connector is superb - and best-in-class. The MagSafe cable is cheap crap, and worse than a $250 netbook.
All in all I've used a charger from 2008 or 2009 until now (60w charger for on the go after my 13" died due to an accident). It's all about how you handle them. I've seen thick and beefy cables fringe and fail because of the way people handle them. I just curl my charger wires up in 4" circles and put them in a similar sized pouch from my backpack. If you wrap them tightly around a charger, bend near the plugs they will fail. No matter what brand or quality. Yes thinner cables like the Magsafe are more prone I can't get around that. The same thing goes for my iPhone/iPad cables I've heard people complain about them but just unplug them and put them in your bag, don't over bend them and don't let kitties play with them
.It's not completely about failing in my opinion. A 2010 15" MacBook Pro still get's the same updates as a new 2016 15". That's over six years of software support and updates. Windows laptops hardly get half of that. You've also missed something in the cost vs cost comparison. IBM said they would switch entirely to Apple hardware because their employees would need much less tech-support. Take in account that if every employee needs 2 hours of tech-support every month instead of 3 or 4 hours you can save 25-50% in tech-support costs.
Hardware wise they are expensive and outdated by the time they are released looking at raw specs (aside from 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports). But they by any means aren't slow.
Up until the release of the new laptops, their marketshare was plummeting. Apple saw huge decreases in laptop sales these past two quarters and as reported, T. Cook lost out on millions because of Apple missing its goals.Apple market share is basically as high as its every been. November was good time to buy shares
I think they rebounded a bit with the new laptops, how much is a question that will be answered when they release their quarterly numbers at the end of January.
But it has bigger numbers so it's better! Apple needs more specs with big numbers or it's doomed!
Which is why they couldn't just wait for these new processors. People were getting very upset with the lack of updates. Delaying it for a few more months would do more harm than good. And these new processors are only 25% faster than processors released FOUR YEARS AGO. Not worth delaying something over.
And you guys complaining about no NVIDIA GPUs. Do you guys realize these are not gaming machines? They are not marketed towards Crysis or heavy gaming. And the software that apple uses makes use out of OpenCL and not CUDA. I always get better performance out of my AMD cards than my NVIDIA cards on my macs due to this.