Next gen MacBook Pro wishlist:

[Hater]

Every other major player out there has a dedicated business line for the people doing work, and a separate (usually crap) consumer line for the Facebooking Instagrammers - Why not Apple? The Pro line should be for...

Pros.

 

[leman]

My number 1 thing for the next MBP is to stop making it so thin. It doesn't need to be thin, there are plenty of other Mac laptops that are thin.

I say this over and over again — you are probably looking at the wrong brand. Thin and light has always been Apple's focus. They laptops were thin and light in comparison to the industry standard for the last 20 years or so. As long as they don't regress performance (which they didn't, they packed exactly same class hardware as they did previously), they are still following the same recipe. If you want a classical workstation computer that prioritises performance and user-serviceability over portability, Apple never made a product for you.

 

[HerbertDerb]

However OLED does suffer from burn-in, and macOS and the desktop environment in general with windowing etc has plenty of static elements that could trigger this.

https://www.windowscentral.com/site...9/Lenovo-OLED-settings-01_0.jpg?itok=Ii9bZCs_

If Lenovo can find a work-around for this. I think Apple should have no issues what so ever.
It's unsure however how long-term solution this is (i guess that after a while it might develop some burn-in issues)

But yeah, Lenovo does take a risk implementing OLED-panels to laptops. But if Lenovo can "push boundaries and have COURAGE " to do this, then Apple should too........

just my 2 cents.

 

[The Mercurian]

I say this over and over again — you are probably looking at the wrong brand. Thin and light has always been Apple's focus. They laptops were thin and light in comparison to the industry standard for the last 20 years or so. As long as they don't regress performance (which they didn't, they packed exactly same class hardware as they did previously), they are still following the same recipe. If you want a classical workstation computer that prioritises performance and user-serviceability over portability, Apple never made a product for you.

The difference is since 2016 they ARE sacrificing performance for thinness.

 

[leman]

The difference is since 2016 they ARE sacrificing performance for thinness.

No they are not, plain and simple. They are using same class CPUs (fastest customer CPU in 45W bracket) as they always did and same class GPU (fastest GPU in ~40W bracket) they always did. They didn't regress a single component in order to make the laptop thinner — except battery of course, which doesn't matter, since the effective battery time has not changed.

 

[zedsdead]

they are not, plain and simple. They are using same class CPUs (fastest customer CPU in 45W bracket) as they always did and same class GPU (fastest GPU in ~40W bracket) they always did. They didn't regress a single component in order to make the laptop thinner — except battery of course, which doesn't matter, since the effective battery time has not changed.

The battery time absolutely has changed since it’s smaller and Intel has done VERY little to help the battery drain at higher performance. Meaning, if you do work on the machines and push the processors (even a little) the battery runs out faster because it is physically smaller.

I bought one and used it for a month (two machines because of major graphics issues...occurred on both). Battery life was worse than my 2013 Haswell Model (13”) which is completely unacceptable.

Apple made some major errors with these machines...there’s a reason the outcry is happening still after a year after the redesign.

 

[leman]

The battery time absolutely has changed since it’s smaller and Intel has done VERY little to help the battery drain at higher performance. Meaning, if you do work on the machines and push the processors the battery runs out faster because it is physically smaller.

If you are pushing the machine hard, sure, you'd get an hour fifteen minutes of battery life instead of an hour and 30 minutes. This certainly doesn't make any practical difference — no laptop is usable on battery under heavy load. And if you are using some software that causes the GPU to run hot, then yes, your battery will drain fast.

Under normal mixed usage (without triggering the high-power GPU states), the battery life of the new machines is very good. Why can I say this? Because I run IT in a reasonably sized group and I have been closely monitoring the performance of the new machines.

P.S. Here is some modelling of expected runtime based on your proportion of load/idle usage. I took the average power usage in idle and load states for 2015 and 2016 models from https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple...016-2-6-GHz-450-Notebook-Review.185254.0.html

Of course, its all approximate and your particular scenario will vary, but what one notices immediately, that based on the measured results from noteboojkcheck, the runtime expectancy figures are essentially identical for both 2015 and 2016 models. Which makes a lot of sence (and further serves as evidence that this analysis is not that wrong), since Apple's goal obviously was to have the 2016/2017 match the 2015

 

[The Mercurian]

No they are not, plain and simple. They are using same class CPUs (fastest customer CPU in 45W bracket) as they always did and same class GPU (fastest GPU in ~40W bracket) they always did. They didn't regress a single component in order to make the laptop thinner — except battery of course, which doesn't matter, since the effective battery time has not changed.

I can buy a dell with that chip and 32GB RAM. So yeah they sacrificed

 

[leman]

I can buy a dell with that chip and 32GB RAM. So yeah they sacrificed

The RAM doesn't have anything to do with thinness. I'm sure you have read the RAM thing explained at least a bunch of times now.

(And btw, Dell doesn't let you upgrade the CPU on the XPS and the respective Precision laptop has a GPU thats slower than what MBP offers. So again, nothing in this world is perfect)
[doublepost=1513000348][/doublepost]BTW, since one of the topics was about laptop workstations, I went and configured a new Dell Precision 7520 laptop on the dell Swiss website. I tried to make it match the MBP — configured it with a 7920HQ, Quadro M2200 (about the same performance as 560, but hey, folks here want Nvidia), 32GB RAM, the HiDPI screen and fast 512 GB SSD. There was no option for fast WiFi, but I guess one can live without it. The result was a CHF 3'876.44 laptop (which apparently was supposed to cost 5500, but they were nice to offer me a whopping CHF 1600 discount) that weights over 2.8 kg, is 3.3cm thick and which only distinguishing feature over the 15" MBP is 32GB of RAM. BTW, the MBP in comparable configuration (16GB of course) still costs 15% less.

 

[Samuelsan2001]

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The RAM doesn't have anything to do with thinness. I'm sure you have read the RAM thing explained at least a bunch of times now.

(And btw, Dell doesn't let you upgrade the CPU on the XPS and the respective Precision laptop has a GPU thats slower than what MBP offers. So again, nothing in this world is perfect)

As always leman you are spot on and tell it how it is however the emotional and illogical nature of people means they will believe what they want and defend their opinion no matter how much they disagree with the facts to the death.

There's always one of you. LOL
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Why should power users have to look elsewhere? That's a pretty rude stance to take for customers who've invested a lot of time, effort and money into a platform.

Why should Apple make anything they don’t want to? Short answer they don’t like any company they make the products they want to and you can buy or don’t as you wish, that is how commerce works.

Every other major player out there has a dedicated business line for the people doing work, and a separate (usually crap) consumer line for the Facebooking Instagrammers - Why not Apple? The Pro line should be for...

Pros.

Apple make only top class laptops they are all perfectly fine for almost every business user out there.
The MacBook for those who just need the most mobile computing, the 13 inch MacBook Pro for those that need a bit more performance and better connectivity, and the 15 inch for those that need high performance in a portable.

Specialist cases requiring huge specs in a portable are not represented and never have been even the 17 inch only ever had the same internals as the 15 inch at the time.

 

[robvas]

I want a stronger case, even if it's a little thicker or heavier. These are the easiest MacBooks to dent/gouge by far.

 

[jerryk]

No they are not, plain and simple. They are using same class CPUs (fastest customer CPU in 45W bracket) as they always did and same class GPU (fastest GPU in ~40W bracket) they always did. They didn't regress a single component in order to make the laptop thinner — except battery of course, which doesn't matter, since the effective battery time has not changed.

Keyboard has less travel to make it thinner. And perhaps the soldered on SSD to make the board thinner than a M.2 package, which "might" be up-gradable. And would be easier to repair.

 

[Freyqq]

1. Magsafe (why should I have to use one of four of these amazing TB3 ports just for charging if I don't invest in a dock?). Apple doesn't even sell docks; I'd have to go third party.
2. rMBP-style keyboard
3. Nvidia GPU preferred (1050 or better)
4. Standard M.2-style SSD and RAM slots

I'd be willing to give up the tiny amount thinness required for those to be a reality.

 

[Hater]

Apple make only top class laptops they are all perfectly fine for almost every business user out there.
The MacBook for those who just need the most mobile computing, the 13 inch MacBook Pro for those that need a bit more performance and better connectivity, and the 15 inch for those that need high performance in a portable.

Specialist cases requiring huge specs in a portable are not represented and never have been even the 17 inch only ever had the same internals as the 15 inch at the time.

Then why does every corporate entity have HP, Dell or Lenovo contracts? Top class? They're for people who like paying over the odds for their Facebook experience.

 

[06tb06]

The 3rd generation Retina unibody design with:

• 15-inch Retina 4K display with 10-bit dithering
• MagSafe 2 and updated ports (USB 3.1, HDMI 2.0b, etc.)
• 32GB DDR4 and updates PCIe SSDs
• GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB or equivalent

I actually still enjoy the previous generation unibody models. If I had the choice, I would choose one of those machines over the newer 2016/2017 MBP designs even if they use older hardware, because of a functional keyboard and ForceTouch trackpad. I still consider the 3rd generation as the best MBP design from Apple. Probably the last machine Steve Jobs helped with, too.

 

[GtrDude]

1. A real keyboard.
2. 15 and 17 inch machines with no touch bar.

 

[Miltz]

Hey friends, I’m a graphic artist and mainly use a pc for my high intensity work, but I absolutely love osx and wish Apple would make a laptop powerful enough for me to dump the windows machine.

Wish list:
6-core cpu
32gb memory
gpu with at least 4 teraflops performance
Oled display.

A boy can dream can’t he?

You left out 10 bit display

 

[Sam Luis Obispo]

That graph looks like it was generated in R, the ggplot package. Last I checked, interpreters were not allowed under iOS. If someone had to run R, iPads (no matter how Pro that they are) are ruled out. Based on pricing and the fact that I would like to hang to a computer for more than a few years, i would probably select the MBP.

It would be nice if:
the user could upgrade RAM or SSD. Being able to replace the battery would be preferable. I would be willing accept a thicker laptop to achieve these things.

Based on the number of times that I have tripped over the power cord, some type of Magsafe is a must.

 

[darksithpro]

Why not just go all Intel? Take out the puny AMD chips, then add something with AMD like the Razer core. That would give them better battery life and the ability to plug into a EGPU for serious tasks. If Apple could add an effective EGPU to their lineup, that would also close that gap between Windows computers. It would also mean increased sales and more options for people who would want the a la carte option.

 

[idark77]

My wishlist?

Please return to “It just works”

 

[Samuelsan2001]

Then why does every corporate entity have HP, Dell or Lenovo contracts? Top class? They're for people who like paying over the odds for their Facebook experience.

Absolute nonsense Apple always use the top rated chips in their class and are using amd’s best chips in their TDP range. You cannot buy anything else with better silicon within the thermal limits. Their benchmarks are massive and their software optimisation often kicks everyone elses bottom (see FPCX vs everything else). While still being a better made light, slim and well designed machine.

The only thing they fall a little flat on is graphics but if that’s what you want buy a gaming rig you won’t beat the graphics in a gaming rig and if you want to accept the compromises that go with them then that’s great go ahead.

A lot of corporations use those machines because they come loaded with windows but a, few corporations are swapping to macs and loving how much less they cost over the long run. IBM being the big one.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ibm+move+to+mac&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari

 

[Mr. Dee]

Battery is not such a big deal for me, since I work from home most of the time and when I do stop by the Internet Cafe every now and then or a family member, I can still plug. Even when I travel to abroad its not a big deal, the hotel lobby has charging ports, hotel room, conference room, airport and in those cases, you would not need it.

These are what I want to see:

• Return of a keyboard with similar or near travel as the 2012 - 2015 models.
• Return of mag safe - its so convenient. I remember trying to unplug the USB C, it was so rigid and stiff.
• Touchbar in addition to standard function keys and add more length to the touch bar OLED so its more useful for things like thumbnails and interactivity.
• Restore the touchpad to its original size.
• 2 USB C, 1 USB A, 1 SD Card Reader and maybe HDMI new standard.

 

[shaunp]

I say this over and over again — you are probably looking at the wrong brand. Thin and light has always been Apple's focus. They laptops were thin and light in comparison to the industry standard for the last 20 years or so. As long as they don't regress performance (which they didn't, they packed exactly same class hardware as they did previously), they are still following the same recipe. If you want a classical workstation computer that prioritises performance and user-serviceability over portability, Apple never made a product for you.

And I'll say it AGAIN. Apple used to be the correct brand for me until they started making things too thin in 2012. And yes you disagree with me, but this wasn't intended for the likes of you - Apple already has you covered. Nothing for you to see here. Walk away. This is for the rest of us that used to be able to buy a suitable Apple product but no longer can.

 

[Maxx Power]

Why not just go all Intel? Take out the puny AMD chips, then add something with AMD like the Razer core. That would give them better battery life and the ability to plug into a EGPU for serious tasks. If Apple could add an effective EGPU to their lineup, that would also close that gap between Windows computers. It would also mean increased sales and more options for people who would want the a la carte option.

Intel has signed on board with AMD as a supplier for GPUs. They even have their first Intel + AMD SoC nearly ready. You may be seeing that in the next Apple products. These are very good power efficient GPUs at lower clock speeds.

 

[leman]

And I'll say it AGAIN. Apple used to be the correct brand for me until they started making things too thin in 2012.

Honestly, I understand your pain and your issue with the current machine.

The funny thing is though that around twenty years ago, people like you were voicing same kind of complains as Apple culled floppy disks and serial ports and introduced a new (described as useless and gimmicky) connector called "USB". Its simply the time for the next transition. We have come far enough to have a truly universal connector, which is the most significant thing to happen to personal computing since probably the invention of a portable personal computer itself. Apple, by its tradition, is a visionary company. It doesn't make products just to maintain the status quo. It actively tries to shape the future with its products. It doesn't react, it acts. This is why people like you will get disappointed with Apple over and over again. And this is also why Apple is so successful.