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Apple, by its tradition, is a visionary company. It doesn't make products just to maintain the status quo. It actively tries to shape the future with its products. It doesn't react, it acts.

I agree with this and I think more individuals and corporations ought to stand up and shape the future for the better (although it is highly subjective). Doing so pushes against the edge of adaptability and acceptability. I guess from what we have observed as feedback to Apple's recent tendencies is that, one ought to balance vision and pace with people's adaptability to lead with minimal alienation. Again, this is highly subjective.

I think the older examples you pointed out such as floppy disks and serial ports, etc, were an annoyance to a large portion of users. I was never fond of slow floppies and configuring serial and parallel ports. USB was an enlightenment compared to what was before. In the recent generations though, I would argue that MagSafe and the older style of keyboards were much less annoying. In relative comparisons, I think they were actually really pleasant.

All of this being said, we are not privy to Apple's vision. I hope they are heading somewhere the equivalent of the MagSafe-degree of comfort.
 
I think the older examples you pointed out such as floppy disks and serial ports, etc, were an annoyance to a large portion of users. I was never fond of slow floppies and configuring serial and parallel ports. USB was an enlightenment compared to what was before.

But all that happened in due time! When the iMac came out in 1998, nobody was using USB, and it took the standard a few years to become widespread. And people back then were rather upset. When you look around in the archives of that time, there are a lot of complains and discussions on this topic.

My point is that mixing up things and trying to make something better instead of settling with "works for now" is what Apple does. They did it with the mouse, the original USB, they did it with low-voltage CPUs (which completely changed the modern laptop market), they did it with high-quality fonts, with high-DPI screens, with objective C and then Swift, the list goes on. Thats what Apple means when they talk about "courage" (ah, yes, its popular to poke fun at that term). If Apple would not do this thing of their's, we'd most likely still carry around 3kg laptops with 130PPI displays, since that is all stuff that "worked".

And the bottomline of all this is: if you want a stable computing platform, Apple should be your last choice. They change stuff very often. Always have. So for a certain kind of professional who needs stability, its simply not the brand to get.
 
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But all that happened in due time! When the iMac came out in 1998, nobody was using USB, and it took the standard a few years to become widespread. And people back then were rather upset.
They only included 2 ports, and it was a disaster. You couldn't connect crap to them. They later wised up and added more ports like FireWire and ethernet. There are like 11 ports on the back of the iMac now
 
But all that happened in due time! When the iMac came out in 1998, nobody was using USB, and it took the standard a few years to become widespread. And people back then were rather upset. When you look around in the archives of that time, there are a lot of complains and discussions on this topic.

My point is that mixing up things and trying to make something better instead of settling with "works for now" is what Apple does. They did it with the mouse, the original USB, they did it with low-voltage CPUs (which completely changed the modern laptop market), they did it with high-quality fonts, with high-DPI screens, with objective C and then Swift, the list goes on. Thats what Apple means when they talk about "courage" (ah, yes, its popular to poke fun at that term). If Apple would not do this thing of their's, we'd most likely still carry around 3kg laptops with 130PPI displays, since that is all stuff that "worked".

And the bottomline of all this is: if you want a stable computing platform, Apple should be your last choice. They change stuff very often. Always have. So for a certain kind of professional who needs stability, its simply not the brand to get.

I suppose. It is certainly not wrong and it is a progressive perspective to take. It is difficult to appreciate forward-looking choices made by a progressive entity and much easier to appreciate what we find safe and comfortable - conservative.

Like you said, let's give this some time and see where Apple ends up. It does take forward-thinking and acceptance to move forward, neither alone can do it. Apple has provided the former, let's see if the latter becomes en masse.
 
Here is my summary.

6-core & 8-core CPU option

32gb memory & 64GB option

10bit Oled display.

Put the MagSafe power connector back you fools!

17" with 5k model

BIGGER BATTERY

Matte screen option on all models

Reasonable pricing, especially Scandinavia is getting ****** these days....

NO Touchbar option for 15" - THANKS !

NO FaceID

FixeD keyboard reliability issues

User replaceable Standard M.2-style SSD and RAM slots

Edge to edge screen ! (Put a better iSight camera at the bottom or somewhere else or ditch the cam)

(Swivable) (3d) Touch Screen ! ;)

Combined Digital & Analog Audio-in 3,5mm jack like we used to, perhaps with more available digital inputs or better DAC ;)
 
Honestly, I understand your pain and your issue with the current machine.

The funny thing is though that around twenty years ago, people like you were voicing same kind of complains as Apple culled floppy disks and serial ports and introduced a new (described as useless and gimmicky) connector called "USB". Its simply the time for the next transition. We have come far enough to have a truly universal connector, which is the most significant thing to happen to personal computing since probably the invention of a portable personal computer itself. Apple, by its tradition, is a visionary company. It doesn't make products just to maintain the status quo. It actively tries to shape the future with its products. It doesn't react, it acts. This is why people like you will get disappointed with Apple over and over again. And this is also why Apple is so successful.

You seem to have the impression that I'm stuck in the past and I just don't get Apple's products. Ironically I do and I think it's Apple's design team that is stuck in the past - thin and light cannot be the only redeeming feature of a product these days in a professional market. Yet Apple make their products thinner with each release without making them substantially better than the one that came before. the MBP has been stuck with a 16GB RAM limit since 2010, but it has gotten a lot thinner and lost quite a few ports in that time. At the same time many professionals now require more than 16GB RAM and Apple simply cannot deliver that in their current platform. From a functionality point of view the current MBP is a step backwards from the rMBP released in 2012 and I thought that was a step backwards over the 2010 model because it lost the Ethernet port, which I use quite a lot. Yes the current one is faster and has a very nice screen, but the keyboard is awful and I have to carry a load of adaptors just to get functionality I had in 2010.

As for Apple acting rather than reacting... Mac Pro anyone?

From where I am sat the Mac line up is anything but visionary. Making things thinner with each release just because you can is not visionary. In fact I'd have one thing to say to the Apple design team if I ever met them. Visionary my ass!
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Here is my summary.

6-core & 8-core CPU option

32gb memory & 64GB option

10bit Oled display.

Put the MagSafe power connector back you fools!

17" with 5k model

BIGGER BATTERY

Matte screen option on all models

Reasonable pricing, especially Scandinavia is getting f.u.c.k.e.d. these days....

NO Touchbar option for 15" - THANKS !

NO FaceID

FixeD keyboard reliability issues

User replaceable Standard M.2-style SSD and RAM slots

Edge to edge screen ! (Put a better iSight camera at the bottom or somewhere else or ditch the cam)

(Swivable) (3d) Touch Screen ! ;)

Combined Digital & Analog Audio-in 3,5mm jack like we used to, perhaps with more available digital inputs or better DAC ;)

I'd buy one of those so long as it didn't have that stupid keyboard with no travel in the keys.
 
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the MBP has been stuck with a 16GB RAM limit since 2010, but it has gotten a lot thinner and lost quite a few ports in that time. At the same time many professionals now require more than 16GB RAM and Apple simply cannot deliver that in their current platform.

The point is that you are confusing some real development with some hypothetical ones. You seem to assume that Apple doesn't use DDR4 or doesn't offer 32GB RAM because they prioritise making thin computers. The reality is probably though that they couldn't build a 32GB laptop with satisfactory battery life, no matter what form factor you choose.

Lets look at some numbers actually: the 2015 MBP (with 99.9Wh battery) uses around 13W power at idle*. The new 2016 model is around 10W. Based on independent measurements, 32GB DDR4 alone consumes 10-12Watt**. And its not power that you can turn off. So even with the new display and CPUs, it would put the power consumption of the new MP with 32GB DDR4 at around 18W, maybe more. With 99Wh battery, its 5 hours and 30 minutes battery life, under optimal conditions. In real life, maybe more like 2-3 hours. I don't think its very surprising that Apple didn't decide to go that route.
 
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  1. Do something to give me the confidence to buy without worrying the keyboard is going to crap out at some point post warranty and I’m going to have to fork over a large sum of money to repair it. This is quite literally the biggest thing preventing me from buying at the moment. It might only be 1 in 100 machines that develops the problem, but for 2.5k I’m not willing to risk being the 1.
  2. A less expensive option for those of us who want a bigger screen but don’t need a huge amount of power would be nice - either this new intel H series chip with the AMD iGPU or even a 28W U series with iris plus like in the 13” Pro.
  3. Getting some ports back would be nice, I mean the usb c doesn’t even replace an SD card’s functionality so why remove the SD and replace it with nothing? I think the usb A ship will probably have sailed by the next redesign (unless they do a surprise redesign early next year) but I think at least SD and MagSafe should make a return.
 
The point is that you are confusing some real development with some hypothetical ones. You seem to assume that Apple doesn't use DDR4 or doesn't offer 32GB RAM because they prioritise making thin computers. The reality is probably though that they couldn't build a 32GB laptop with satisfactory battery life, no matter what form factor you choose.

Lets look at some numbers actually: the 2015 MBP (with 99.9Wh battery) uses around 13W power at idle*. The new 2016 model is around 10W. Based on independent measurements, 32GB DDR4 alone consumes 10-12Watt**. And its not power that you can turn off. So even with the new display and CPUs, it would put the power consumption of the new MP with 32GB DDR4 at around 18W, maybe more. With 99Wh battery, its 5 hours and 30 minutes battery life, under optimal conditions. In real life, maybe more like 2-3 hours. I don't think its very surprising that Apple didn't decide to go that route.

You do know about the XPS 15 right? It's the closest competitor to the MBP, supports 32GB RAM, is light and thin yet has more than just 4 USB-C/TB3 ports. You can also upgrade the RAM and storage yourself. It's battery life is very similar to the MBP.

Pretty much any PC laptop that has support for 2 x DDR4 DIMMS can support 32GB RAM even the pieces of crap from the supermarket. The fact is there are many, many laptops that have this support, some even support 64GB RAM, have had this support for over 2 years now and have decent battery life. So the battery life argument is complete and utter nonsense.

Apple have simply dead-ended the product line by making it too thin, same as they designed themselves into a 'thermal corner' with the 2013 Mac Pro by making it too small. Only because you can make something thin doesn't mean that you should. Apple need to realise not every customer wants to sacrifice important features like RAM and ports just to make something look pretty. This is where Apple needs to keep the Pro lines separate. They don't need to be cutting edge, they just need to work and enable me to do my job. Keep the cutting edge stuff and pretty looks for consumers as they are impressed by this.
 
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You do know about the XPS 15 right? It's the closest competitor to the MBP, supports 32GB RAM, is light and thin yet has more than just 4 USB-C/TB3 ports. You can also upgrade the RAM and storage yourself. It's battery life is very similar to the MBP.

Pretty much any PC laptop that has support for 2 x DDR4 DIMMS can support 32GB RAM even the pieces of crap from the supermarket. The fact is there are many, many laptops that have this support, some even support 64GB RAM, have had this support for over 2 years now and have decent battery life. So the battery life argument is complete and utter nonsense.

Apple have simply dead-ended the product line by making it too thin, same as they designed themselves into a 'thermal corner' with the 2013 Mac Pro by making it too small. Only because you can make something thin doesn't mean that you should. Apple need to realise not every customer wants to sacrifice important features like RAM and ports just to make something look pretty. This is where Apple needs to keep the Pro lines separate. They don't need to be cutting edge, they just need to work and enable me to do my job. Keep the cutting edge stuff and pretty looks for consumers as they are impressed by this.

Exactly correct.

The obsession (there is no other appropriate word) with thin is a huge negative that actively interferes with the MBP's ability to do the work that some people need it to do.

Keep the case of the 2012-2015, update the internals with support for 32 GB of RAM, higher-performing graphics, a more suitable mix of ports, and, yes, a bigger battery, a real keyboard and smaller trackpad while losing the touchbar, which is the most useless toy I've ever seen on a Mac.

God help the promised Mac Pro . . .
 
Exactly correct.

The obsession (there is no other appropriate word) with thin is a huge negative that actively interferes with the MBP's ability to do the work that some people need it to do.

Keep the case of the 2012-2015, update the internals with support for 32 GB of RAM, higher-performing graphics, a more suitable mix of ports, and, yes, a bigger battery, a real keyboard and smaller trackpad while losing the touchbar, which is the most useless toy I've ever seen on a Mac.

God help the promised Mac Pro . . .
I almost feel like they could do with making the current pros into just 13 and 15” MacBooks and starting from scratch with some new properly pro laptops - if they went for unibody dimensions they could probably start getting some serious power into the 15” (GTX 1060?)
 
You do know about the XPS 15 right? It's the closest competitor to the MBP, supports 32GB RAM, is light and thin yet has more than just 4 USB-C/TB3 ports. You can also upgrade the RAM and storage yourself. It's battery life is very similar to the MBP.

Exactly correct.

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Keep the case of the 2012-2015, update the internals with support for 32 GB of RAM, higher-performing graphics, a more suitable mix of ports, and, yes, a bigger battery, a real keyboard and smaller trackpad while losing the touchbar, which is the most useless toy I've ever seen on a Mac.

This all doesn't change the fact that using 32GB DDR4 adds around 6Watt always-on consumption to the laptop (which is over 50% additional idle power consumption). So again guys, you are completely missing the point. Which about boils down to this: if Apple did what you wanted, next day headlines would be "Apple's new laptop has 3 hours of battery life". Its not rocker science. Consumption figures are known. Go google a bit and do some basic math.

And looking at the same XPS 15, its idle power consumption is rather high, which is also why it consistently underperforms the MBP in actual battery life despite having larger battery and being 10% heavier (15% is you count in the charger). XPS 15 is a great multimedia laptop. But I wouldn't take it as an example of "things done right" in this department. BTW, have you seen any tests or read reports for 32GB XPS version? Me neither.

P.S. Some relevant links:

https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-XPS-15-2017-9560-i7-7700HQ-UHD-Laptop.203500.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple...016-2-6-GHz-450-Notebook-Review.185254.0.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-5960x-haswell-e-cpu,3918-13.html

https://www.servethehome.com/ddr4-dimms-system-power-consumption-tested/
 
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I am a little weary on the OLED stuff, people on here say they want a super accurate screen from all angles with no colour shift and no burn in......... then they say "Make it OLED".

I can understand the plusses regarding OLED but I think people need to understand what they want, do people want the best looking highest contrast whatever? Or do people want what is most accurate and true?

I have heard people comment about how when they calibrated their monitor it looks more "flat" so to speak. That is because some manufacturers bump up the visuals and the contrast and all the levels to make things look good but at the sacrifice of the accuracy.
 
This all doesn't change the fact that using 32GB DDR4 adds around 6Watt always-on consumption to the laptop (which is over 50% additional idle power consumption). So again guys, you are completely missing the point. Which about boils down to this: if Apple did what you wanted, next day headlines would be "Apple's new laptop has 3 hours of battery life". Its not rocker science. Consumption figures are known. Go google a bit and do some basic math.

And looking at the same XPS 15, its idle power consumption is rather high, which is also why it consistently underperforms the MBP in actual battery life despite having larger battery and being 10% heavier (15% is you count in the charger). XPS 15 is a great multimedia laptop. But I wouldn't take it as an example of "things done right" in this department. BTW, have you seen any tests or read reports for 32GB XPS version? Me neither.

P.S. Some relevant links:

https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-XPS-15-2017-9560-i7-7700HQ-UHD-Laptop.203500.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple...016-2-6-GHz-450-Notebook-Review.185254.0.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-5960x-haswell-e-cpu,3918-13.html

https://www.servethehome.com/ddr4-dimms-system-power-consumption-tested/

In the internal combustion engine world, they have the engine shut down when not needed or have certain cylinders deactivated when not needed. In the computer world, is there a similar technology where you could deactivate 16 GB out of 32 GB of memory if it is not required to perform useful work? You'd think that that might lower the idle power consumption and extend useful battery time before having to plug it in... I'd be surprised if someone doesn't already do this.
 
In the internal combustion engine world, they have the engine shut down when not needed or have certain cylinders deactivated when not needed. In the computer world, is there a similar technology where you could deactivate 16 GB out of 32 GB of memory if it is not required to perform useful work? You'd think that that might lower the idle power consumption and extend useful battery time before having to plug it in... I'd be surprised if someone doesn't already do this.

I am not a computer hardware engineer and my knowledge on the subject is very limited and amateur, but from what I understand what you describe is exactly one of the benefits of low-power RAM variants (LPDDR). They apparently can change power states much faster than standard RAM, consuming very little power in low-power state without losing data. Which is probably one of the reasons why its so much more expensive than normal DDR4 and of course why Apple and any other manufacturer that cares about battery life is using LPDDR3 (LPDDR4 would solve all the complains but Intel's CPUs currently don't support it).

This is a nice and relevant discussion, which was linked a buck how time in various threads: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/5dimal/lpddr3_vs_ddr4_power_usage/
 
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In all honesty, the new keyboard is good, the only thing they have to do with it is to increase the travel slightly more which should solve the key not registering issue.

And no way we'll be seeing a 17" MBP, the people who need those machines are too few for Apple. The only reason why Apple is redesigning the MacPro is cause their reputation hangs on it.

And the "Pro" moniker has always been more marketing then actual professionals cause if they design for professionals, the machines will functionally be more different then it's now.
 
This all doesn't change the fact that using 32GB DDR4 adds around 6Watt always-on consumption to the laptop (which is over 50% additional idle power consumption). So again guys, you are completely missing the point. Which about boils down to this: if Apple did what you wanted, next day headlines would be "Apple's new laptop has 3 hours of battery life". Its not rocker science. Consumption figures are known. Go google a bit and do some basic math.

And looking at the same XPS 15, its idle power consumption is rather high, which is also why it consistently underperforms the MBP in actual battery life despite having larger battery and being 10% heavier (15% is you count in the charger). XPS 15 is a great multimedia laptop. But I wouldn't take it as an example of "things done right" in this department. BTW, have you seen any tests or read reports for 32GB XPS version? Me neither.

P.S. Some relevant links:

https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-XPS-15-2017-9560-i7-7700HQ-UHD-Laptop.203500.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple...016-2-6-GHz-450-Notebook-Review.185254.0.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-5960x-haswell-e-cpu,3918-13.html

https://www.servethehome.com/ddr4-dimms-system-power-consumption-tested/


LMFAO. Most professional users spend most of their day with their laptop plugged in. You do know that, right? An extra hour of battery life in this case is irrelevant it will make no difference to my working day whatsoever. However, having extra RAM does make a difference.

No I've not read any reports for an XPS with 32GB RAM, but i have used one for 6 months in one of my jobs and it was great! No need for any reports I did this thing called real world testing.
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Exactly correct.

The obsession (there is no other appropriate word) with thin is a huge negative that actively interferes with the MBP's ability to do the work that some people need it to do.

Keep the case of the 2012-2015, update the internals with support for 32 GB of RAM, higher-performing graphics, a more suitable mix of ports, and, yes, a bigger battery, a real keyboard and smaller trackpad while losing the touchbar, which is the most useless toy I've ever seen on a Mac.

God help the promised Mac Pro . . .

I actually preferred the case of the 2010 MBP as it had room for an Ethernet port. The cooling was crap and as a result the GPU eventually failed, but otherwise it was a good machine.
 
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LMFAO. Most professional users spend most of their day with their laptop plugged in. You do know that, right? An extra hour of battery life in this case is irrelevant it will make no difference to my working day whatsoever. However, having extra RAM does make a difference.

No I've not read any reports for an XPS with 32GB RAM, but i have used one for 6 months in one of my jobs and it was great! No need for any reports I did this thing called real world testing.
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I actually preferred the case of the 2010 MBP as it had room for an Ethernet port. The cooling was crap and as a result the GPU eventually failed, but otherwise it was a good machine.

If most professionals spend their time with a laptop plugged in they are not professionals they are complete amateurs.
Anyone with any knowledge of computers, performance and work flow knows that buying a laptop to use as a desktop is making a huge amount of compromise for a form factor you don't need. In fact a professional would buy the best desktop for their usage and only use a portable when absolutely necessary even then remotely logged into their desktop when possible.

More RAM makes no difference if you've compromised on the rest of the specs to use the equipment least suited for the job, battery life and form factor are the most important aspect of a portable because the best computer is the one you can be bothered to carry with you and still has the charge to do the job. Apple understand this basic concept at least 50% of macrumours regulars have yet to understand this it seems.
 
LMFAO. Most professional users spend most of their day with their laptop plugged in. You do know that, right? An extra hour of battery life in this case is irrelevant it will make no difference to my working day whatsoever. However, having extra RAM does make a difference.

Right. So we are back to square one. What you are complaining about is not the form factor (or in fact anything else) of the MacBook Pro, but the fact that Apple doesn't make a desktop replacement machine (which is what you actually want). Mobility was always the cornerstone of the MacBook Pro, and the PowerBook before it. A less mobile laptop with specs that are better suited to the small segment of the professional market is simply not in the MacBook Pro's core design.

Again, I understand that MacBook Pro used to be well-suited for your needs, but its a simple fact that your needs have outgrown what the technology can provide. Back then, Apple could make a thin and light machine that would have the specs you need without sacrificing battery life, now they can't (which is not really their fault). And no, leaving the form factor at 2010 level is not a solution, since battery size is limited by legal regulations, not to mention that this would mean abandoning the relative mobility that Apple prides itself on. So you choice is either a) wait for the tech to catch up (if it ever will), b) buy a computer that suits your needs or c) hope that Apple will create a completely new design that will be better suitable for your needs.
 
Right. So we are back to square one. What you are complaining about is not the form factor (or in fact anything else) of the MacBook Pro, but the fact that Apple doesn't make a desktop replacement machine (which is what you actually want). Mobility was always the cornerstone of the MacBook Pro, and the PowerBook before it. A less mobile laptop with specs that are better suited to the small segment of the professional market is simply not in the MacBook Pro's core design.

Again, I understand that MacBook Pro used to be well-suited for your needs, but its a simple fact that your needs have outgrown what the technology can provide. Back then, Apple could make a thin and light machine that would have the specs you need without sacrificing battery life, now they can't (which is not really their fault). And no, leaving the form factor at 2010 level is not a solution, since battery size is limited by legal regulations, not to mention that this would mean abandoning the relative mobility that Apple prides itself on. So you choice is either a) wait for the tech to catch up (if it ever will), b) buy a computer that suits your needs or c) hope that Apple will create a completely new design that will be better suitable for your needs.

Nope, it's about the RAM, and the lack of development. don't worry you'll catch on eventually... ;)
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If most professionals spend their time with a laptop plugged in they are not professionals they are complete amateurs.
Anyone with any knowledge of computers, performance and work flow knows that buying a laptop to use as a desktop is making a huge amount of compromise for a form factor you don't need. In fact a professional would buy the best desktop for their usage and only use a portable when absolutely necessary even then remotely logged into their desktop when possible.

More RAM makes no difference if you've compromised on the rest of the specs to use the equipment least suited for the job, battery life and form factor are the most important aspect of a portable because the best computer is the one you can be bothered to carry with you and still has the charge to do the job. Apple understand this basic concept at least 50% of macrumours regulars have yet to understand this it seems.

You do get that a lot of professionals actually move between sites and then spend all day at that one site? Hence the need for a laptop.

And as for 50% of macrumors regulars not getting it, have you ever considered they just might have different requirements to you? It's quite simple really, but theirs a bunch of regulars on here and apple execs that just don't get this. different requirements and user choice.
 
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Nope, it's about the RAM, and the lack of development. don't worry you'll catch on eventually... ;)
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You do get that a lot of professionals actually move between sites and then spend all day at that one site? Hence the need for a laptop.

And as for 50% of macrumors regulars not getting it, have you ever considered they just might have different requirements to you? It's quite simple really, but theirs a bunch of regulars on here and apple execs that just don't get this. different requirements and user choice.

Oh no I get that other people have different needs to me and I do understand that some people need a big heavy laptop with crap battery life that can be used as a desktop replacement.

What I don’t understand is why anyone thinks Apple have to make this. It’s not their vision of a portable it’s never been their vision of a portable and they have only ever made portable computers that were slim and with a good battery life for the current technology.

Even the old PowerBooks were thin and light and slightly underpowered for their day, same with the amazingly popular 15 inch 2011 mbp, it made all the same compromises as today’s mbps but because the windows offering were so shocking it was a massively seller. Windows machines have caught up and now you have a choice so choose. Apple are making what they see as the best compromises on a portable computer, other maker set compromise in different ways whether it’s size or weight or battery life or screen quality or cpu specs or gpu specs or 32gb ddr4 ram. If they make the compromises that fit your use case buy their products.
 
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Nope, it's about the RAM, and the lack of development. don't worry you'll catch on eventually... ;)

It is not technically possible to have 32GB DDR4 RAM in a contemporary Intel-based laptop without a severe hit to battery life. And battery life is the cornerstone of the MBP concept. I'm not really sure what is so difficult to understand here. Apple is not giving you 32GB RAM because they technically can't make a laptop that has the traditional DNA of the Mac laptop. If you want to complain about lack of development, complain to Intel.
 
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Anything, apparently.

What I do understand is that this forum is populated by narcissists that take it personally when Apple don’t make a product just for them, thank you, your comment cemented that in my brain now I can answer people accordingly.
 
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