That is unfortunately also my problem. I like the Apple TV - even the current version - but I have a cap at 10GB/month and additional 15GB would cost 15 EUR ($ 16.7).
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Next-Generation Apple TV Said to Launch in October for $149 or $199
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The Wii didn't have to contend with capable smartphones and tablets until well into its life, which is one of the reasons people often give for the Wii U flopping. I don't see too many AppleTVs being sold for light gaming purposes, especially at $199.
No you're wrong. I simply compare two streams on my stereo. It already shows on my €500,- Canton speakers. I don't care how music output is processed. I just judge on what I hear.
But hey, if you like to create your own reality about my situation to make your point, be my guest.
My opinion of course. And I am not suggesting it doesn't sell well. But it's more expensive that many streaming options and for many gamers, underpowered. Will casual gamers want to pay more? Or will their iPads, etc suffice?
They are several years late on updating their hardware options. The current unit works well "enough" but the UI and features are lacking compared to their competition.
Right now - for me - I see nothing in these rumors compelling enough to want to pay $149 let alone $199. Especially for multiple units.
But hey - that's me an my opinion. I think they missed the boat. I think they could sell more by keeping things simpler and at a lower price point. I think the same of Amazon Fire TV (vs the stick).
Now - if for $149 or $199, I get two tuners and the ability to hook up a hard drive and use it as a DVR service, by all means - this new unit would most likely replace my Tablo - and subsequently make my Roku a little less appealing to stick with.
Again - my use case. my opinion.
It depends on what it can do. Roku and FireTV are nice, but they do not have nearly the selling power that Apple has. In addition Apple has a library of millions of games, that they will surely make available on the Apple TV from launch. Comparable to what they did with the iPad.
It will blow Roku and FireTV out of the water if it indeed aims at that segment, even at a higher price. And if they keep the "old" Apple TV around at a lower price, it will eat into the others markets even more.
I'm in for that, but I didn't see that happening affordably.
We can do that now for shows, we can get episodes and season passes from iTunes and Amazon. It's just cost in-effective.
Big Bang is $39.99 to pre-buy the next season of around 24 (20 minute) episodes in HD (only $5 less for SD). They charge that or more for previous seasons too (at iTunes). BluRay will be cheaper but you have to wait.
Figure out a way to rent me the shows for less. $15 for the season (or $10) but let me watch it as much as I want in the season. That might seem cheap but I'll be able to buy it for that on BluRay at the holidays and then I own it (and can lend it).
Or charge nothing and put relevant ads in it! I will tell you my stats with likes and dislikes and give ads thumbs up and down if you target them towards me (I'd like them downloaded to my box so I don't have to stream and cruise the menus).
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Id bet the memory is getting updated and will have offline viewing and playback -- not only for movies but for Apple Music as well.
I haven't seen a Smart TV UI that I think is worth anything. They are almost as bad as the cable companies STB UIs.
Every type I have seen are slow, buggy, and outdated at the date of purchase. And good luck getting an update. It seems like they stop supporting it after a year or less.
The last TV I purchased had an identical version of it that had a Smart interface, but it cost a lot more. Totally not worth it.
Selling us shows from other places that are only available by cheating or stealing is a very untapped marked.
Gary
Your opinion. Roku has outsold Apple TV. I would say that their fan base is pretty solid. I would say that what they offer is solid. Not just nice. And you're going on the assumption that the leading reason to buy this is games. If that's the case, then there are also other/better options for many.
You can't possibly predict that it will blow Roku and Apple out of the water. Maybe it will for you. But you can't say that as a fact. You really haven't provided enough reason for it to.
Further - the current Apple TV is here. And it's not eating into the other markets "even more." Absurd.
ETA: And good luck to Apple and its customers if everything is reliant on Apple's servers.
My interest in the new box has absolutely nothing to do with the streaming service. I'm looking forward to the app store. And an SDK designed for a set top box with a very smart remote.
BTW, throwing a little water on the rumor - with a sensor bar, I suspect the "motion sensor" in the remote is less like the Wii and more like "tilt the iPhone when playing a game to turn". A budding app developer won't be able to duplicate "Wii Sports" - but lots can be done with it.
And as for the price, yeah, Apple could cut the price, no profit but hope that they make it up in media/app sales. Just like Apple could cut the price of the iPhone greatly to compete on price and hope that the increased volume makes up for little profits. As anyone who has paid attention the last few years would see, that's not what Apple does.
BTW, throwing a little water on the rumor - with a sensor bar, I suspect the "motion sensor" in the remote is less like the Wii and more like "tilt the iPhone when playing a game to turn". A budding app developer won't be able to duplicate "Wii Sports" - but lots can be done with it.
And as for the price, yeah, Apple could cut the price, no profit but hope that they make it up in media/app sales. Just like Apple could cut the price of the iPhone greatly to compete on price and hope that the increased volume makes up for little profits. As anyone who has paid attention the last few years would see, that's not what Apple does.
150 Gb from ATT and it sucks when we have 2 iPhones, an iPad , a Mac , a smart TV, AV receiver and a Roku. Oh and I forgot the Dish Hopper. And an Ooma phone.
Thats a lot of stuff sucking at 150 Gbs.
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In order for this to be successful Apple needs to do three things (IMHO):
- Enable casual and immersive gaming on the TV through the App Store (use the millions of games and apps already available now) with a dedicated and usable controller (think more the Playstation controller than some weird Magic Mouse type of thing)
- Renew the way we watch TV through the provision of some a la carte type of service, similar to Movie watching. Make this compelling for cord cutters and make it easy to scan through lots of content.
- Introduce the Apple TV as the next big thing and move on from the hobby status. Real new products get lots of media exposure. An Apple TV with the above functions could work well and re-take a significant portion of the market if they do it well. Even at a higher price point.
Who is going to waste their money on this? No need for this and I do not want another voice activated system in the house.
I love my DirecTV with all of my local sports channels, HBO, Showtime, free Sunday ticket and a bill less than $60 per month including taxes.
I love my DirecTV with all of my local sports channels, HBO, Showtime, free Sunday ticket and a bill less than $60 per month including taxes.
It's partly opinion. Even with a less capable product Apple has been able to capture large parts of other markets due to its superior sales power. You have been around for long enough here to know the examples.
What I said about the current Apple TV is not absurd if you factor in the following. If Apple will launch a new Apple TV and keep the current one around, it will do so announcing the new one as the next revolution in TV consumption and casual gaming (even if it is not). The current Apple TV will ride on that marketing wave and at a possibly lower price point will see an increase in sales.
I don't see this as an impossible scenario.
Seems like you you are describing iTunes TV where you get a season pass per show. Right? My only problem with that is cost which you say you are prepared to pay top dollar. Do you consider $2.99 per episode top dollar or is that to expensive?
With the size of apps and movies in the marketplace nowadays, I really hope Apple decides to go with a 16gb and 64gb or 32gb and 128gb models instead of 8gb and 32gb.
Netflix and streaming cable channels work great for me on Apple TV. I'm optimistic for the new one.
Not really. The next step would be to also enable you to buy "cheaper TV", such as reality TV etc (not that I would want to, but there are many that would). In the end it is inevitable that more content becomes available like that and that will drive down the price.
2,99 is to own the episode, and I'm not interested in that. I don't need to see a particular episode of a show 200 times as I do with music. So, a much lower price per stream would be much more reasonable.