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Until we're all so dumbed down that all we can do is point at things on our shiny screens and grunt (yes I know we're pretty close, but we're not there yet), there is no way that touch screen desktops are ever going to have any practical use or purpose for 99 per cent of the people who use a Mac. It isn't going to happen. Period. Don't even think about it. Forget it, read some philosophy instead. Anything. Anything but think about touch screen desktops. They HAVE NO USE WHATSOEVER.

Wrong. Zooming in/out of images in photoshop like the browser on an iphone would be great.
 
just give me a imac with a DVI or displayport input so I can connect other computers to it.

Of course, a matte display would be nice too :)

You mean display. The iMac already has a display port. Or is it mini DVI?

The Laptop Hunter ads were complete failures. They actually seemed to help Apple. MS would be well-advised to stop running them and bin them along with those Seinfeld and "I'm a PC" abortions. MS doesn't know how to market, and has lost complete control of their image, unless it wants to be seen as the Wal Mart of the tech world.

Those ads did notihng for MS. They just eroded their image and confirmed them as the bargain-bin brand of the industry. Their recent lousy quarter (more to follow) is certainly no indication of any of their recent marketing doing anything for them.

Apple is experiencing record Mac sales in this recession, and just this past quarter, to boot, in the wake of all that Laptop Hunter idiocy.

But Apple did ask MS to stop running the ads. That shows significant weakness. Plus, Apple didn't bother countering with anything noteworthy. I would have done something showing the ease-of-use in OS X, especially in the settings department.
 
I totally agree with you dude. Touchscreen desktop is such a dumb concept.

Agreed as well, I doubt there are many people who'd enjoy throwing their arms around for a while to navigate the OS. Maybe if we only used our computers a few brief minutes of the day, an in-front vertical display at roughly eye level would be insane to use with touch screen.

I do however envision that it would be appealing to your average 9 year old still naive to the realities of ergonomics, fascinated with the technology he sees in sci-fi shows and... wished he was there. :D
 
I just can't see Apple going with Blu-ray. Physical disc media is on its way out and Apple has obvious motive to push consumers towards digital downloads.

Physical disc media will never be o it way out because people will always have stuff that they want to back up, and save for your grandmother who thinks that she needs to backup her emails to Mozy, there are those of us who'd just as soon not upload our source code or other sensitive material to the online ether.
 
Agreed as well, I doubt there are many people who'd enjoy throwing their arms around for a while to navigate the OS. Maybe if we only used our computers a few brief minutes of the day, an in-front vertical display at roughly eye level would be insane to use with touch screen.

I do however envision that it would be appealing to your average 9 year old still naive to the realities of ergonomics, fascinated with the technology he sees in sci-fi shows and... wished he was there. :D

Just because they add a touchscreen doesn't mean they will take away the mouse and keyboard...:rolleyes:
 
I'm 90% sure one of the touted "new features" will be an LED-backlit display. It's been introduced down the whole laptop line and now the Cinema display, it was only a matter of time until they introduced it into the consumer iMac line. They'll probably continue with the glossy displays; I'm not certain but I don't think there's ever been a BTO choice on what kind of screen you have for the iMacs.

The other feature is anyone's guess, though I am doubting Blu-Ray. It hasn't been much of a selling point on desktop PCs outside of specialized home theater machines.

the question is then, what does your 90% assurance equal as far as Apple products? Also, why do people love to have on Blu-Ray?
 
That was because they were misrepresenting the price of the apple product shown in the ad. Not weakness.

They were recorded before Apple made the price cuts to the MBPs. And MS has since updated the as, and created some new ones. (The one with Matt, Jamey, ad Olivia (I think) is just sad: "And the ability to share pictures." WTF?)

And yes, it does show great weakness when you ask a competitor to stop running ads. It shows monumental weakness to ask a competitor to stop running ads, then do nothing special to counter.
 
Agreed as well, I doubt there are many people who'd enjoy throwing their arms around for a while to navigate the OS. Maybe if we only used our computers a few brief minutes of the day, an in-front vertical display at roughly eye level would be insane to use with touch screen.

These arguments miss an important point - the touch screen is an *additional* input, it doesn't eliminate the keyboard and mouse.

It is not bad to add options.

I have a Windows 7 multi-touch laptop. I don't have to touch the screen - the keyboard and pointing stick and that big rectangle still do what they've always done.

On the other hand, if I'm reading a web page I can scroll up/down/left/right by touching the screen and dragging. If there's a link or a button - I can just touch it.

I'm sure that this will be another one of those things that will be embraced as a wonderful Apple innovation when Apple ships it, but dismissed as useless as long as Apple is the only OS that doesn't have multi-touch laptops/desktops/all-in-ones.
 
But Apple did ask MS to stop running the ads. That shows significant weakness.

Apple asked because MS were still using outdated MacBook Pro pricing after Apple had dropped their prices. Therefore the ad was incorrect and "misrepresented" Apple's products. I believe Microsoft did change the ad to reflect the current prices.

I don't think it shows weakness on Apples part.
 
Umm. More USB ports? I'd call that something that many people want. I'm tired of using USB hubs that screw up all of the time.

I've swapped USB hubs many times to find the best hub to support my devices and it always causes problems. The last time it was taking over a minute to boot as the mac played with the USB bus...
 
Apple asked because MS were still using outdated MacBook Pro pricing after Apple had dropped their prices. Therefore the ad was incorrect and "misrepresented" Apple's products. I believe Microsoft did change the ad to reflect the current prices.

I don't think it shows weakness on Apples part.

Correct. Weakness on Apple's part would have been Microsoft telling Apple 'Bite me' and Microsoft living to tell the story.
 
Apple asked because MS were still using outdated MacBook Pro pricing after Apple had dropped their prices. Therefore the ad was incorrect and "misrepresented" Apple's products. I believe Microsoft did change the ad to reflect the current prices.

I don't think it shows weakness on Apples part.

True, and I would have asked them to adjust the price in the ad, if they weren't responsible enough to change it on their own. That doesn't show weakness.

Apple asked MS to stop running the ads outright, however. That does show weakness, especially when combined with a terrible series of only four ads that weren't eye-catching or in any way special.
 
Apple asked because MS were still using outdated MacBook Pro pricing after Apple had dropped their prices. Therefore the ad was incorrect and "misrepresented" Apple's products. I believe Microsoft did change the ad to reflect the current prices.

I don't think it shows weakness on Apples part.

The problem for Apple is the common perception that Apple lowered prices *because* of the Microsoft ads....
 
The problem for Apple is the common perception that Apple lowered prices *because* of the Microsoft ads....

Right.

And entertaining the notion that Macs are "more about aesthetics than the actual computing power." And that you "can't get a [notebook] Mac for less than $700."
 
Blu-ray is a given, even if Apple's plan is to move away from optical media. To the average consumer, Blu-ray is the new "it" thing and its inclusion will help move units.

I have no confidence they will give us a matte option for the screen; that will be given to their "Pro" notebook line, although it seems once the white MacBook is killed off for good that they'll just drop the "Pro" designation (unless the rumored tablet takes over the MacBook space).

Losing the chin would be stellar, as even with my chair at full height, a 24" iMac is about 1.5 inches too tall for comfortable viewing.

Kill off the 20", go all LED backlights, DON'T decide to cheap out on LCD panels, and a few months down the road off a 30" iMac (crazy wish).

EDIT: Oh, and easier hard drive upgrades! (That's complete fancy)
 
But Apple did ask MS to stop running the ads. That shows significant weakness.

No. There was no "weakness" involved here.

It showed that MS was advertising inaccurate information about Apple's pricing. Apple had changed their pricing and MS continued to run the ads without reflecting that change.

Apple can make all the claims about Windows that it likes . . . short of quoting prices inaccurately. You can claim Windows is virus-ridden, clunky, a PITA to use, etc. That's all subjective and isn't even libellous. And quite frankly, Apple's claims mirror a good portion of the average Windows sufferer's experience. Plenty of leeway allowed there.

But MS was in a situation where they were misrepresenting an actual price. They weren't at first, but the price changed and they were then in the wrong. It's just that simple. That can open up MS to FTC issues. Apple legal was simply holding MS accountable to what it could under the law. It wasn't "weakness" of any sort. MS crossed the line and they were snapped back. Simple as that.
 
No. There was no "weakness" involved here.

It showed that MS was advertising inaccurate information about Apple's pricing. Apple had changed their pricing and MS continued to run the ads without reflecting that change.

Apple can make all the claims about Windows that it likes . . . short of quoting prices inaccurately. You can claim Windows is virus-ridden, clunky, a PITA to use, etc. That's all subjective and isn't even libellous. And quite frankly, Apple's claims mirror a good portion of the average Windows sufferer's experience. Plenty of leeway allowed there.

But MS was in a situation where they were misrepresenting an actual price. They weren't at first, but the price changed and they were then in the wrong. It's just that simple. That can open up MS to FTC issues. Apple legal was simply holding MS accountable to what it could under the law. It wasn't "weakness" of any sort. MS crossed the line and they were snapped back. Simple as that.

Yes, it was inaccurate. I agree with that and I'm not disputing it.

I'll say it again: It is weak to ask a competitor to stop running a series of ads outright. Throw in a lackluster, un-eye-catching, un-innovative, series of a paltry four ads and is just mammoth weakness.
 
I have MS and Linux certs. I have to know layers 1-7 although 1-4 more so. I am saying that in my personal experience OS X is easierto use and maintain than MS.

I don't consider iMac a pro computer but it is very fast for most users even casual gamers who don't do intense number crunching.

It is proven in tests that OS X is faster at multiple tasking than Vista. Not sure about Win7 but i am running that in boot camp.

there is nothing wrong with having a preference, however i think what your describing is exactly that. i would argue that all true gamers play on a windows OS, does that make the hardware better? It will always be about the software that leverages the hardware that is going to make the difference to each user. going back to the orginal thread, my wants for an iMac/Mac's in general is native BD support and more hardware options
1. HDMI
2. eSata
3. second hard drive bay
4. At least 4 USB ports
5. option for wireless card built in
6. Express Card
7. CF card slot/ expandable media card readers built in
 
Agreed as well, I doubt there are many people who'd enjoy throwing their arms around for a while to navigate the OS. Maybe if we only used our computers a few brief minutes of the day, an in-front vertical display at roughly eye level would be insane to use with touch screen.

I do however envision that it would be appealing to your average 9 year old still naive to the realities of ergonomics, fascinated with the technology he sees in sci-fi shows and... wished he was there. :D

I guarantee you and every other person ripping on the idea now will love the idea when Apple comes out with their touchscreen based tablets and touchscreen based iMacs.

You're probably the same type of person who would have ripped on a mouse before they became readily available.
 
These arguments miss an important point - the touch screen is an *additional* input, it doesn't eliminate the keyboard and mouse.

It is not bad to add options.

I have a Windows 7 multi-touch laptop. I don't have to touch the screen - the keyboard and pointing stick and that big rectangle still do what they've always done.

On the other hand, if I'm reading a web page I can scroll up/down/left/right by touching the screen and dragging. If there's a link or a button - I can just touch it.

I'm sure that this will be another one of those things that will be embraced as a wonderful Apple innovation when Apple ships it, but dismissed as useless as long as Apple is the only OS that doesn't have multi-touch laptops/desktops/all-in-ones.

I think that is just setting the stage for the macbook wheel
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary
 
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