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I hope they start using a Quad-Core Processor. That's high up on MY list anyways. haha. A nice dedicated GPU would be awesome, and would get along great with Snow Leopard.
 
True that, my 20 inch iMac (The latest Alu with only 2gb ram) runs FCE flawlessly.

And our studio uses all 20 inch iMacs (A mix of the old white iMacs, and the Alu iMacs) running FCP.

Exactly. There are too many fanboys out there who think the only game is town is a high-end MacPro. The truth is the iMac will satisfy about 80% of computer users out there.
 
Yes, it was inaccurate. I agree with that and I'm not disputing it.

I'll say it again: It is weak to ask a competitor to stop running a series of ads outright. Throw in a lackluster, un-eye-catching, un-innovative, series of a paltry four ads and is just mammoth weakness.



Again people assuming its true. How do you know the MS guy isn't BSing everyone? What company would call about something like that? They would send a letter or other correspondence.
 
Yes, it was inaccurate. I agree with that and I'm not disputing it.

I'll say it again: It is weak to ask a competitor to stop running a series of ads outright. Throw in a lackluster, un-eye-catching, un-innovative, series of a paltry four ads and is just mammoth weakness.

Explain how that is "weak." And explain how the average user would have ever found out about this (they plainly didn't.)

If there is any way for Apple to get MS to change something against its will, it should be done. Was especially funny after Kevin Turner's "cartwheels." Turner got a call from Apple legal. Turner claims he laughed at them and went on bragging about it as if it's his greatest experience (he admitted this, actually), and then shortly after MS is forced to change the ads. It's brilliant.

Anyway, you can interpret it any way you like. the fallout from June tells the entire story. Apple is shining in this recession, while Ballmer has to constantly answer uncomfortble (and often embarassing) questions in pulbic, sometimes in a room full of Mac users. Ballmer's current performance about "rounding errors" is a case in point. Now THERE is weakness, plain as day.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=101147
 
Apple had changed their pricing and MS continued to run the ads without reflecting that change.

Did Apple give Microsoft four to six week's notice that they'd be dropping prices?

If so, the Microsoft haters would have a better case.

If not, well, the ads were already taped and edited. The commercial times were already purchased and scheduled.

It's not like "Oh, Apple changed their prices at 16:00 - we need to have corrected ads for the 18:00 news programs and the evening prime time".

For a minor error like this, a few weeks to get new ads into the pipeline isn't that unexpected. Apple's had some of the same issues (ads or keynotes that referred to "Intel's fastest" - when in fact Intel had released faster chips so that Apple's claim was wrong when first stated in public).

And we'll never know if Microsoft had already started those corrections when the Apple lawyers called....
 
I thought they'd eventua do a two-feature thing.

I think they're going to def. add a touch-screen thing.


the, other prob. what everybody else is saying.

after that & ?4-core they'll create a ??thin-glass illuminating ulta i7 version.


I hope i'm right on this one.
 
I'd like to see blu-ray but also allow us to use the imac display similar to the 24" LED ACD, where a breakout cord would power a macbook pro and allow you to use the display as an external monitor.
 
Again people assuming its true. How do you know the MS guy isn't BSing everyone? What company would call about something like that? They would send a letter or other correspondence.

Apparently he wasn't BS'ing. But he sure as **** made an idiot out of himself. He must be reading Ballmer's notes.

Kevin Turner claimed MS would continue running the ads earlier.
 
Did Apple give Microsoft four to six week's notice that they'd be dropping prices?

If so, the Microsoft haters would have a better case.

If not, well, the ads were already taped and edited. The commercial times were already purchased and scheduled.

It's not like "Oh, Apple changed their prices at 16:00 - we need to have corrected ads for the 18:00 news programs and the evening prime time".

For a minor error like this, a few weeks to get new ads into the pipeline isn't that unexpected. Apple's had some of the same issues (ads or keynotes that referred to "Intel's fastest" - when in fact Intel had released faster chips so that Apple's claim was wrong when first stated in public).


And we'll never know if Microsoft had already started those corrections when the Apple lawyers called....

No. Things move a lot faster than that in the ad business. The can have the ads pulled that hour and had them re-edited and distributed in a couple of days.
 
On the other hand, if I'm reading a web page I can scroll up/down/left/right by touching the screen and dragging. If there's a link or a button - I can just touch it.

Sure but would it really be quicker to let go of the mouse, switch to another input device for pointing / dragging, rather than just to slide your mouse to the point of interest and keep your hands on an already multi-function input device such as your (1) your mouse and/or (2) your keyboard? And would it really make sense to soil the display with the natural oil of fingers, not to mention micro-debree, long fingernails, and who knows what-nots mucking up the surface of our ever so valued pristine displays? Ever see what touch screens in high usage situations look like, even after cleaning? Yuck!
 
I hope they start using a Quad-Core Processor. That's high up on MY list anyways. haha. A nice dedicated GPU would be awesome, and would get along great with Snow Leopard.

I haven't seen any mobile quad-cores from Intel or AMD.

Plus Apple won't be using quad-core in the mainstream stuff 'til Arrandale hits the streets.

Again people assuming its true. How do you know the MS guy isn't BSing everyone? What company would call about something like that? They would send a letter or other correspondence.

What does that mean?

Explain how that is "weak." And explain how the average user would have ever found out about this (they plainly didn't.)

Again, I don't dispute the ads had an incorrect price quoted in them. Though a few weeks to fix that is expected from most people, but I guess Apple is just that special.

It is very weak to ask a competitor from running ads outright.

The average user still has a brain, you know. They can read between the lines, i.e. put it together. I'll give those who can't understand a dumbed-down version of what happened: Apple sells expensive computers -> MS runs "Laptop Hunters" ads -> Apple lowers prices on laptops. It isn't that hard to put together.
 
No. Things move a lot faster than that in the ad business. The can have the ads pulled that hour and had them re-edited and distributed in a couple of days.

For major errors, sure.

By September 12 2001's news shows, every Manhattan skyline background had been photoshopped to remove the World Trade Center towers.

For a minor error due to a price adjustment by a competitor, meh.
 
Did Apple give Microsoft four to six week's notice that they'd be dropping prices?

If so, the Microsoft haters would have a better case.

Microsoft haters ALWAYS have a case as long as Apple exists. It's just too easy to hate on MS. They function on inertia and consumer ignorance.

There's really been nothing compelling out of MS in the consumer area since XP. And XP was nothing to be proud of. A corporate/enterprise software vendor masquerading as a home/consumer vendor, which is becoming painfully obvious to everyone by the day. This isn't 1995 and the Windows 95 rollout. This is 2009, and it's an entirely different ballgame.
 
For major errors, sure.

By September 12 2001's news shows, every Manhattan skyline background had been photoshopped to remove the World Trade Center towers.

For a minor error due to a price adjustment by a competitor, meh.

In advertising, misrepresenting the price of a competitors product is a major error. It has legal implications.

Anyway, I think it'll be a touchscreen...
 
I'll give those who can't understand a dumbed-down version of what happened: Apple sells expensive computers -> MS runs "Laptop Hunters" ads -> Apple lowers prices on laptops. It isn't that hard to put together.

Read what you just wrote.

I'm really sure MS spent hundreds of millions on those Laptop Hunter ads in order to help Apple sell more Macs.
 
Are you kidding?

Yes, it was inaccurate. I agree with that and I'm not disputing it.

I'll say it again: It is weak to ask a competitor to stop running a series of ads outright. Throw in a lackluster, un-eye-catching, un-innovative, series of a paltry four ads and is just mammoth weakness.


How can you say it's a sign of weakness. Microsoft had advertisements with wrong prices for the Apple computers. When Apple said stopped, they meant to stop advertising the false price. And guess what, Microsoft in the end released a version of that particular advertisement with NO MENTION of the price of the Apple computer. If you look at it in this way, Microsoft is the one that is weak as it had to change it's advertisement.

And have you ever thought that no response is a response in itself? Have you ever been in a situation when something happened that just didn't warrant a response from you as it could be either too minute or just something that doesn't even bother you? To me it's just a sign that Apple has confidence in itself and that they aren't afraid of Microsoft ads and merely requested that they stop advertising the false prices, but didn't ask them to outrightly stop the advertisement as Apple knows that the advertisement won't even hurt it.

And just in case you think the advertisements are working, know that Apple just had it's best non-holiday quarter in Mac Sales. Microsoft on the other hand lost money.

Did Apple give Microsoft four to six week's notice that they'd be dropping prices?

If so, the Microsoft haters would have a better case.

No one is blaming Microsoft that they did not update their prices immediately. Look at the phone call as more as a reminder that they had to edit the advertisements to reflect the new prices.
 
Yes, it was inaccurate. I agree with that and I'm not disputing it.

I'll say it again: It is weak to ask a competitor to stop running a series of ads outright. Throw in a lackluster, un-eye-catching, un-innovative, series of a paltry four ads and is just mammoth weakness.

Apple's legal department made the request because it was advertising incorrect information. This is standard procedure. If Microsoft didn't comply they'd be getting sued right now. It is illegal to lie in your advertisements, and refusing to update a current advertisement to reflect current numbers would be misleading enough to be equivalent to lying, because the price of that competitor's product was the focal point of the ad.
 
There's really been nothing compelling out of MS in the consumer area since XP. And XP was nothing to be proud of. A corporate/enterprise software vendor masquerading as a home/consumer vendor, which is becoming painfully obvious to everyone by the day. This isn't 1995 and the Windows 95 rollout. This is 2009, and it's an entirely different ballgame.

W7 is around the corner. It looks pretty good, if a bit ripped off, to me. I like it better than SL (so far). IMO, the Aero interface looks great.

With consumers being dumber than dirt, they look at the eye candy, not the underlying technology in the OS and the hardware. So unless Apple revamps SL's interface significantly, the consumer is going to think 7 is better.
 
Sure but would it really be quicker to let go of the mouse, switch to another input device for pointing / dragging, rather than just to slide your mouse to the point of interest and keep your hands on an already multi-function input device such as your (1) your mouse and/or (2) your keyboard? And would it really make sense to soil the display with the natural oil of fingers, not to mention micro-debree, long fingernails, and who knows what-nots mucking up the surface of our ever so valued pristine displays? Ever see what touch screens in high usage situations look like, even after cleaning? Yuck!

This borders on the "form over function" arguments - "don't use your computer, it might get dirty".

As someone who uses this every day, though, let me respond to the points.

If you're reading (say, reviewing a big PDF document), you're not necessarily glued to the keyboard and mouse. It's a visual thing (and many people have a habit of putting their fingers near what they're reading).

It's a distraction to find the mouse/pointing stick/big rectangle to move to the next paragraph - when you can brush the window with your finger to scroll.

I would think that any Iphone user would see the value in being able to have an additional mode to scroll and navigate screen content.
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And on the airplane with a bit of turbulence - brushing the screen to move the window in the PDF doc is *far* better than using a pointing device!
 
The average user still has a brain, you know. They can read between the lines, i.e. put it together. I'll give those who can't understand a dumbed-down version of what happened: Apple sells expensive computers -> The Economy goes to hell -> Apple lowers prices on laptops. It isn't that hard to put together.

There, I fixed it.
 
Apple's legal department made the request because it was advertising incorrect information. This is standard procedure. If Microsoft didn't comply they'd be getting sued right now. It is illegal to lie in your advertisements, and refusing to update a current advertisement to reflect current numbers would be misleading enough to be equivalent to lying.

I know.

MS didn't refuse. And you'd expect a week or so to correct the ad.
 
New expensive PCs still ship with serial ports for christ's sake!

That reminds me I have an old SGI Workstation that has 12 serial ports on it...It sold for something around $35000 new and I picked it up a few years ago for under $800 to play around with IRIX.
 
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