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why would you want to buy EVERY new generation?

Well, considering that you can always sell your older device at a decent price, it's not a bad idea.


What really concerns me with Apple's potential accelerated product launches (on certain product lines) is the impact all these new models are having on the environment and that of the market. It's going to lead to a lot of fragmentation as clearly many people cannot afford just to go out and buy a brand new Apple device every single time a new generation is released.

And can a company really maintain a realistic quality control on these products at the same time?

Apple needs to slow down a bit before it starts getting messy.
 
Mailing it in because the casing doesn't look different? Then I guess Nokia has been mailing it in for a while now since the N9, Lumia 800 and 920 all look very similar design wise.

Yes, mailing it in because the case doesn't look different and, as mentioned earlier, the operating system has been evolving too slowly.

Anyway, yes, good comparison to Nokia. I would agree that Apple's iPhone offerings have begun to look like other manufacturers, whereas not long ago they were consistently setting the bar in form and function. They used to make me go "wow", consistently. I would skip meetings at work to watch their product launches. But lately it's been pretty boring.
 
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This lines up with what I posted previously except for the Mini which I think should be separate from the other ipad, meaning keeping the Mini for fall. Apple needs to shine a spotlight on its bigger ipad and focus better on marketing. The iphone won't release without iOS 7, which needs a few months of beta testing (typically most of summer). I still think a mere ipad mini spec bump (no retina) makes little sense in April. It's selling as fast as Apple can make them right now.

The constraint on Apple making them faster/slower them isn't really the Flash chip. The spec bump could consist merely storage capacity. Witness the 128GB iPad tweak recently. It is a just a different capacity chip package of the same size on exactly the same logic board. There were already 3 different same physical size chips being added to the board. Switching to 4 or switching to a different 3 of the same physical size has little impact on manufacturing. It is just slightly adjusted supply-chain.


Keep in mind this isn't an indication that Apple is releasing twice a year. I wouldn't expect a bigger ipad (again) in fall. This is Apple readjusting.

It isn't Apple readjusting. It is far more so Apple scrambling to keep up with the innovation of their competitors. This is very similar to Intel's tick/tock approach to delivering new CPU packges. They either change the microarchitecture or shrink the process. They don't do two relatively risky things at the same time. It is the same thing with 3-> 3GS , 4 -> 4S , 5 -> 5S transitions.

I don't think Apple can keep up a 6 month tick/tock pace with the iPads very long. They'll probably go back to yearly, but right now they don't have another super high growth engine and switching over CPU/GPU foundries is going to be risky.


Why even release a minor spec bump for the Mini, if Retina is slated?

To stay ahead of the competition. :)

Last fall you saw that Amazon countered the Nexus 7 by bumping up the Flash storage. The entry point moved to 16GB up from the 8GB/16GB from the previous year.

There is a good chance that either those two or some of their competitors come back with the same move this Q3-Q4 before the new Retina mini is ready with entry points perhaps starting at 32GB for 32/64/128 tablet line ups. Note: this also mimics Apple's top end of 128GB.

It wouldn't be surprising if Apple went

iPad 5 : thinner (back down from bump up for initial Retina battery bubble ) and a line up of 32/64/128 at the same prices as the current iPads.

Apple currently charging $100 for 8GB and 16GB increments is a farce. They don't cost anywhere near that. At list moving to minimally 32GB intervals they can maintain prices with some creditibility and still have large margins.



iPad mini (spec bump) : because Apple has OCD the mini's now have to match. LOL. So 32/64/128 at same price points.

Come Fall if the new A7 derivative and new low power screen tech allows.

iPad mini : new CPU/GPU package, new screen , new camera but same storage.

Possibly also the "iPad mini even cheaper" which would be original one chopped back down the 16GB and sold just for $299 breaking the $300 price barrier. ( similar to how "last year's" iPad, iPod Touch, and iPhone are sold. ). That will be the $299 iPad everyone thought should have sold against Amazon/Nexus/ etc. 7" models.


iPad : if major new competition then maybe a bump on camera, 801 ac , or something that fits in same container and logic board. But more likely back to 12 month cycles. Last year was primarily because the A6 wasn't aligned to iPad 3.

They are likely though to get some blowback though going down this path. I suspect they are going to scare off a number of buyers who are going to guess that "yet another revision is coming in 6 months" and just wait.
 
What's cool about iPad now is not so much this or that new feature but the maturing of the apps market.

Just the other day I discovered there was a polished, cool app to control my high-end guitar FX processor via MIDI using a nice graphical interface. There's another guitar app that basically gives me all the info in a dozen books in an interactive format. It was $5.

Garageband is cool. I now seem to spend much more time sketching out tracks with that than Logic on my Laptop, because I can do it anywhere the mood takes me.

Android is getting better apps now, yes. But it's slow going and miles behind Apple and I can't see it really catching up. And there's still a reluctance for Android user to actually buy apps. So software developers will only invest in iOS.

This is why iPads remain popular and Android tablets get chucked in drawers when their users realise they don't need another gizmo to 'surf on'.
 
If there is no retina in the new mini in the coming months, they can kiss my a**!
Yet if the retina does comes into the mini, expect lines across the globe!!!
 
I think keeping up with every cycle refresh is not possible anymore...

I am officially relegating myself to updating only when I 'need', and not 'want' to...

I'm still rocking my original iPad. Haven't found any real need to update it. Based on my use case - added speed/memory isn't worth it. Only "worthwhile" feature for me would be the camera(s). But since my phone can do that - no rush.
 
iPhone 5 upgrade release

What a huge disappointment to learn of the iPhone 5s as the same form factor. This takes Apple back two years behind the competition. Maybe they should just let Samsung and Google rule as smartphone dealers and instead stick with ipods and computers.:mad:
 
My thoughts exactly. The "look" of the iPhone is looking a bit dated and I'm afraid the 5S will do nothing to change that (if not perpetuate the notion).

I think you have it backwards. Have you seen the 5 next to all the other handsets out there? The 5 makes every Android and Win phone handsets look cheap and dated.

The Galaxy 3 surfboard design, for example, is basically a larger, thinner version of the iPhone 3.

The nexus 4 uses the glass sandwich design Apple introduced 3 years ago, except they somehow managed to make that ugly.

Also, it's not a coincidence that HTC's and Blackberry's latest handsets are knock-offs of iPhone 5's design.

If the 5 were dated, these companies wouldn't be imitating it. As one person put it, the 5 is a Rolex in a sea of Timexes.
 
Because the phone needs to be reinvented every year. Something is seriously wrong with the world if a company's share price can tumble 40% off its highs because of the screen size of its phone.


I don't like it anymore than you, but investors don't often think or care about what's best.
 
Currently have an ipad3

what i want most from Apple for the next ipad is longer battery life and quicker charging, however if the iPad5 is going to take after the ipad mini its going to lose more space for the battery.
 
I think you have it backwards. Have you seen the 5 next to all the other handsets out there? The 5 makes every Android and Win phone handsets look cheap and dated.

The Galaxy 3 surfboard design, for example, is basically a larger, thinner version of the iPhone 3.

The nexus 4 uses the glass sandwich design Apple introduced 3 years ago, except they somehow managed to make that ugly.

Also, it's not a coincidence that HTC's and Blackberry's latest handsets are knock-offs of iPhone 5's design.

If the 5 were dated, these companies wouldn't be imitating it. As one person put it, the 5 is a Rolex in a sea of Timexes.

No, it looks and feels dated because it's been out for 3 years and everyone and their brother has one. Looks like it'll be closer to 4 years before we have any significant design change. An eternity in this industry. Simple as that.
 
If only Apple were as relentless with software as it is with hardware. Hardware seems to come easier to them these days.

Exactly my thoughts as well. The innovation seems to be heavy on the hardware and not on the software. Which is unfortunate for the consumer since you obviously have to pay $$$ for new hardware.

They really need to be more innovative with their software and push that more than just selling a new updated piece of hardware every 6 months with a new camera or faster processor.
 
I don't think the iPhone 5S can be much faster, the current A6 is as fast as can be.
 
No, it looks and feels dated because it's been out for 3 years and everyone and their brother has one. Looks like it'll be closer to 4 years before we have any significant design change. An eternity in this industry. Simple as that.

That's only true if you ignore the fact that nearly everything about the design has changed in the last 3 years.
 
updates are coming in tooooo fast

Oh please. Remember when they used to update their computers more than once every year (or two)? It should be no surprise that they'd do the same to mobile devices, which are becoming more and more important for them.
 
Well, there's no need to be facetious pal. Sarcasm does not suit you. I've worried about things a lot more than the efforts of a cash-rich multi-billion international corporate (such as deaths, divorces, job losses, etc. - e.g. *life* stuff).

What you describe is what I do at the moment. My iPad 2 is perfectly fine and my MacBook Air is going to last me a good few years to come, likewise for my recent purchase of an iPhone 5 (although it suffered from a dodgy home button necessitating a replacement).

My point was that does the market really need a brand generation model at such a fast rate? There's innovation, and there's innovation. With such a rapid rate of new generation productions of the same line - where does the older stuff ultimately end up?

I'll answer that: it's a damn good job that Apple's entire product line has a good high resell value..

And as I say - with each new generation (at the rate things are being released) - what about quality control? If a fault is found at product launch - how long does it take for Apple to release a fix before then releasing the next generation? Repeat.



Not in the sense *you've* defined fragmentation.

Well"pal",I think you are assuming that releasing new models faster causes working still useful phones to be discarded.Doesn't make sense.If they came out with minor upgrades to a car or refrigerator would you junk yours twice as fast?Of course software is the key,but they are doing a pretty good job of supporting older models like the 3GS with at least some OS upgrades.If you really want to wring your hands over phone obsolescence and *actual*fragmentation check out Android.
And really,of all the electronic and other waste generated today you're worried about phones?I've bought exactly one per year,and that's above average I would think.I've got an old TV to dispose of that weighs hundreds of times my six iPhones,and it contains lead and God knows what else.
 
I have no problem with bi-annual releases.
It's no different than what happens with laptops/desktops. Pretty much the same machine is released a quarter or two later with a slight bump in specs.

If they release one in April. I'd probably pick up a 1st Gen LTE iPad mini if they knocked $100 or so off of it. My iPad2 still does everything I need it to do. The smaller size would be nice though.
 
No, it looks and feels dated because it's been out for 3 years and everyone and their brother has one. Looks like it'll be closer to 4 years before we have any significant design change. An eternity in this industry. Simple as that.
THE iPHONE 5 design has not been out for three years its a much different design than the 4s though it retains similar characteristics and besides how many different ways can you shape a phone,what are significant changes to you?
 
Let's not forget either that the Galaxy S IV is coming soon. A rumored feature sounds very interesting:

http://bgr.com/2013/03/04/galaxy-s-...m_source=featuredposts-widget&utm_medium=home

Why didn't Apple think of that? It sounds.. Apple-like and if Apple would have thought of that, iPhone users would be drooling over it and standing in line.

Wrong - its not "Apple-like" at all....its a gimmicky solution that's looking for a problem....which is what most of Samsung's "features" are.....

What if I scan my eyes back to the top of the phone but don't want to scroll? What if multiple people are looking at my screen? What if its dark? How would having a camera monitoring your every eye movement affect battery life?

Way too much trouble when my thumb is already hovering over the display....this eye scrolling will probably work, at best, 50% of the time....on the other hand, my own thumb is pretty damn reliable - 100% of the time, it scrolls when I want it to.
 
besides how many different ways can you shape a phone,

Not to sound facetious - but isn't this the opposite argument many use here when it comes to other manufacturers "copying" the iPhone design?

I agree with you though.

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Wrong - its not "Apple-like" at all....its a gimmicky solution that's looking for a problem....which is what most of Samsung's "features" are.....

What if I scan my eyes back to the top of the phone but don't want to scroll? What if multiple people are looking at my screen? What if its dark? How would having a camera monitoring your every eye movement affect battery life?

Way too much trouble when my thumb is already hovering over the display....this eye scrolling will probably work, at best, 50% of the time....on the other hand, my own thumb is pretty damn reliable - 100% of the time, it scrolls when I want it to.

Ok - the first assertion is exactly what Apple does as well. A lot of companies create a product to create a need. IE - a solution looking for a problem. The original iPad was considered by many to be such a product and look how that took off :)

As for all your other concerns - wouldn't you have to wait to see how it's implemented before you start criticizing everything it would or wouldn't be able to do? Seems logical, no?

I hear what you're saying. But "naysaying" something just because one lacks vision and/or has no idea how it will be executed is a bit premature.
 
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