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So you expect no new iPhones this summer? Unlike the last 4 years? I got $5 4,1 is released this summer and most likely 4,2. They aren't just gonna go a year and then just release a 3,3 for HSPA+

Then we should expect iPhone 3,3 to be announced by T-Mobile or Sprint soon?
 
Then we should expect iPhone 3,3 to be announced by T-Mobile or Sprint soon?

yep, I find that much more likely for t-mobile or possibly the china CDMA. Or it could never be released. AFAIK the CDMA iPhone would need nothing new to work on Sprint, where as t-mobile needs the different frequency.
 
I think the iPhone 3,3 may be CDMA for China....WiFi removed.
Cell phones are no longer required to meet the WAPI standard in China since 2010, the iPhone 4 and 8gb version of 3GS were released with WiFi functions enabled.

However iPhone3,3 could be a China-specific CDMA model since local legislation requires cell phones to have swappable SIM card, all the CDMA phones sold by China Telecom have separate UIM cards.
 
I don't think any of these numbers point to 2012 models, unless it's a Verizon phone known to roll out early 2012...but still doubtful.

But I have a question (cuz I'm too lazy to look it up)...did the 3G to the 3Gs get a major revision bump or just a minor?

iPhone: 1,1
iPhone 3G: 1,2
iPhone 3GS: 2,1
iPhone 4: 3,1
 
iPhone 3,3 is probably the GSM/TD-SCDMA iPhone 4 for China Mobile, which has 570 million subscribers, three times as many subscribers as AT&T and Verizon combined.
 
iPhone: 1,1
iPhone 3G: 1,2
iPhone 3GS: 2,1
iPhone 4: 3,1

So if this is the case, it's likely a 3,3 model would not indicate a 4s. It would most likely be a more significant change like a CDMA model for China w/ a SIM/UIM slot (like the one in the leaked photo?!?!)

iPhone 3,3 is probably the GSM/TD-SCDMA iPhone 4 for China Mobile, which has 570 million subscribers, three times as many subscribers as AT&T and Verizon combined.

Probably TD-SCDMA...no GSM. Only one carrier has 3G GSM and they already have an iPhone.
 
Cell phones are no longer required to meet the WAPI standard in China since 2010, the iPhone 4 and 8gb version of 3GS were released with WiFi functions enabled.

However iPhone3,3 could be a China-specific CDMA model since local legislation requires cell phones to have swappable SIM card, all the CDMA phones sold by China Telecom have separate UIM cards.

That’s a good point. That would be enough of a new HW design unless we see a SIM card slot in the Verizon version in the teardown. However, between 580M China Mobile users v. 80M users a GSM/TD-SDCMA is what I’m betting on despite the extra effort of the Telecom version.
 
So if this is the case, it's likely a 3,3 model would not indicate a 4s. It would most likely be a more significant change like a CDMA model for China w/ a SIM/UIM slot (like the one in the leaked photo?!?!)

Could be either China Mobile or China Telecom as they both use SIMs.

Probably TD-SCDMA...no GSM. Only one carrier has 3G GSM and they already have an iPhone.
China Mobile has GSM for ‘2G’ and TD-SCDMA for ‘3G’. That is what is meant by GSM/TD-SCDMA.
 
I see a 4G or 4S or 4 whatever phone in June released for both networks with the current 4 sliding into th $99 or $49 slot. Since the 4 will still be offered, and likely look pretty much the same, more recent purchasers will not be all that disappointed.
 
Notice there is no iphone 4,3 so whatever the iphone 3,3 has that is unique, that unique aspect will be included in either the iphone 4,1 or the iphone 4,2. If iphone 3,3 is the China version of the CDMA, that would mean that iphone 5 will have the same slot for all CDMA devices, which is probably unlikely.

Perhaps the iphone 3,3 is also a T-Mobile iphone 4 GSM version, which would mean that the iphone 5 GSM, iphone 4,1, will probably add the T-Mobile GSM band directly into the iphone 5 GSM version.
 
This leads me to think there will not be a single iphone that can work on either ATT or Verizon (which would be awesome) but rather a separate model for each carrier
Correct. Based on the availability of components, licensing costs, and Apple's well-established fondness for fat margins, it is unlikely that we would see a combo GSM/CDMA/UTMS iPhone in the near future. The addition of LTE (in 2012 or 2013) would complicate things further.

There may also be significant antenna performance compromises in an all-in-one handset design due to worldwide spectrum allocation issues.

It's not just about AT&T and Verizon. It's about the entire world's cellular technology.
 
1) They sold the 3GS there with WiFi removed from the firmware and OS already and it didn’t require a different HW model designation.

2) The law requiring phones not to have WiFi was redacted last year.

Isn't the the china CDMA iPhone a different frequency to the verizon iPhone? Which would be a different HW designation.

I would have though the china model was 3,2 seeing it's older than verizons 3,3.

As for 4,1 and 4,2 I would think they are both LTE but with gsm or CDMA fallback.
 
i Field Programmable Gate Array and what's it for?
If I correctly recall previous discussions about this, the notation is not newsworthy. It's apparently a way for Apple engineers to do some prototyping and has periodically appeared in iOS betas.

More significant is the appearance of an "iProd" in the iOS betas. It has happened twice, each time resulting in a new shipping iDevice. iProd1 became the iPad. iProd2 became the AppleTV (recent iOS version).
 
So much for a mixed-mode (CDMA + GSM) phone (or iPad, for that matter) :(

Not necessarily. If you recall, before the iPhone 4 was released, people found iPhone 3,1 and iPhone 3,2 in the configuration files.

There always seem to be more references than iPhone that are released. Case in point - iPhone 3,3 isn't a released phone and may never be. Three references to iPhone 3 but only 2 iPhones to account for them. Now there are two references to iPhone 4; will only one be released?

You think they are referencing a 2012 model? we just started 2011.

When this same type of news story came out before the 3GS was released, they found references to iPhone 2,1 (iPhone 3GS) and iPhone 3,1 (iPhone 4). So, yes, it is quite possible that iPhone 3,3 is the next iPhone and iPhone 4,1 is the 2012 iPhone.
 
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Cook already said during the press conference that there won't be a new iPhone this summer. Apple will obviously release the AT&T and Verizon iPhone 5 in October and November then.
 
Cook already said during the press conference that there won't be a new iPhone this summer. Apple will obviously release the AT&T and Verizon iPhone 5 in October and November then.

You got “no new iPhone this summer” and assumed an October/November refresh from this? :confused::confused::
Q: Will it be on a one year refresh cycle?

Tim: We don't comment on that.
 
Doubt it. Wait 7 months to release a model just for verizon? i see them more likely to screw over the early adopters and release new CDMA in june.


+1

Guaranteed! Big Red ready to screw the early adopters.
 
Here's another idea - iPhone 3,3 - CDMA for China. This would be the CDMA version with a "SIM card" slot we saw. CDMA in China uses a SIM card (with the CSIM application, similar to the older RUIM card but on a standard UICC SIM card) to comply with a removable security mandate there.
 
But im focusing on the iPhone right now. There are 3 new identifiers 3,3 ....4,1...and 4,2.

3,3 is obviously an iPhone 4, but destined for maybe another carrier? or who knows. I want to focus on the new 4,1 and 4,2.

Its a safe bet to say that the looks of the iPhone 5 wont change much, but going from history since its an entirely new numbering system, its most likely a substantial upgrade. Maybe this is foreseeing a nice processor jump to hopefully a Dual-Core. Or maybe the "home buttonless" models might be real?
Doubt it. Probably just some tweaking to the antenna's to get rid of the weakness there and some smaller upgrades.


Either way its more than just a small, tiny update like 2G-3G, despite their different appearances and 3G radio they were basically the same. Also means that they are obviously working on either both a GSM and CDMA iPhone 5 very closely together and we shouldn't have to wait the extra 6 months for a CDMA update. I still have a hard time believing Apple would have 2 different iPhone releases a year, they would always be playing catch up. Any more input?

Its possible, yet it would piss of a lot of customers who bought in the last couple of months.
 
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