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alectheking

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But im focusing on the iPhone right now. There are 3 new identifiers 3,3 ....4,1...and 4,2.

3,3 is obviously an iPhone 4, but destined for maybe another carrier? or who knows. I want to focus on the new 4,1 and 4,2.

Its a safe bet to say that the looks of the iPhone 5 wont change much, but going from history since its an entirely new numbering system, its most likely a substantial upgrade. Maybe this is foreseeing a nice processor jump to hopefully a Dual-Core. Or maybe the "home buttonless" models might be real? Either way its more than just a small, tiny update like 2G-3G, despite their different appearances and 3G radio they were basically the same. Also means that they are obviously working on either both a GSM and CDMA iPhone 5 very closely together and we shouldn't have to wait the extra 6 months for a CDMA update. I still have a hard time believing Apple would have 2 different iPhone releases a year, they would always be playing catch up. Any more input?
 

jav6454

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3,3 maybe an iPhone for another carrier.... or a revision to AT&T's iPhone 4 with the new antenna design.

As per 4,1 and 4,2 it is simple. 4,1 is AT&T's (and the rest of the world's) next iPhone model and 4,2 is Verizon's.

Although with AT&T having deployed HSPA+ almost silently (they touted that at CES, not in other news) I am guess that 4,1 is the next iPhone having HSPA+ support. As per why Verizon's might be 4,2... well, SV-DO anyone?
 

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Next Generation iPhones Referenced in iOS 4.3




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As first noted by Engadget, the latest iOS 4.3 developer build contains model references to as-yet unreleased iPhone and iPad models. The new designations include:

iPad2,1
iPad2,2
iPad2,3
iPhone4,1
iPhone4,2
For reference, the first generation iPad carries a model number of "iPad1,1" while the AT&T iPhone 4 carries the "iPhone3,1" model number. These new designations likely represent the next generation iPad and iPhone. It seems likely the second digit represents hardware differences between models -- such as a Verizon iPhone and AT&T iPhone. The iPad is also believed to be coming to both Verizon and AT&T, so that may explain at least a few of the different model numbers.

The iPad 2 is believed to be coming out in the next month or so, while the iPhone is traditionally refreshed in the summer during WWDC.




Article Link: Next Generation iPhones Referenced in iOS 4.2
 

Mirai 11

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Only a matter of time before iPad 2 :D
i reckon 4.3 will be the stock version of it, and shipped in March.
Let it begin!
 

matteusclement

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iPad 2....
I want to get an ipad so bad. I realized recently that I do all my real work on the mac pro. The MBP can go.... but can I wait for iPad 2? It will have to have some sort of camera.... and a better screen.
 

budafied

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Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5)

Hmmm I wonder if this means a short refresh time for the Verizon iPhone, not that it matters too much to me. I figure I'll buy mine now and then get the 4G when it comes out in 2012 (I'm guessing).
 

mavis

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Wirelessly posted (iPhone 4 (32GB, JB): Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Mobile/8B117 Safari/6531.22.7)

So much for a mixed-mode (CDMA + GSM) phone (or iPad, for that matter) :(
 

cvaldes

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Interesting, there are three iPhone3 IDs and three iPad2 IDs.

Since we know that the current GSM/UTMS iPhone 4 is iPhone3,1, we can assume that iPhone3,2 is the CDMA model coming to Verizon. So what is iPhone3,3? Possibly a handset for T-Mobile?

Same with the iPad model numbers. Different IDs for standard HSPA (or HSPA+), CDMA EV-DO, and maybe HSPA (or HSPA+) for T-Mobile USA's AWS 3G data band?

And what two iPhone 5 models are those? HSPA+ for standard networks, plus a special one for T-Mobile USA's network?

Will the CDMA iPhone stay at an iPhone 4 until Apple has an upgrade path for the network hardware?
 

alectheking

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Same with the iPad model numbers. Different IDs for standard HSPA (or HSPA+), CDMA EV-DO, and maybe HSPA (or HSPA+) for T-Mobile USA's AWS 3G data band?

the 3 iPads are most likely WIFI, GSM and CDMA respectively.
 

dampfnudel

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So the big question for potential Verizon iPhone customers is how long until iPhone3,2 is replaced by iPhone4,2? 5 months? Some People say Apple won't release the two versions at the same time. How can we be sure?
 

aleather

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Interesting, there are three iPhone3 IDs and three iPad2 IDs.

Since we know that the current GSM/UTMS iPhone 4 is iPhone3,1, we can assume that iPhone3,2 is the CDMA model coming to Verizon. So what is iPhone 3,3? Possibly a handset for T-Mobile?

Same with the iPad model numbers. Different IDs for standard HSPA (or HSPA+), CDMA EV-DO, and maybe HSPA (or HSPA+) for T-Mobile USA's AWS 3G data band?

And what two iPhone 5 models are those? HSPA+ for standard networks, plus a special one for T-Mobile USA's network? Will the CDMA iPhone stay at an iPhone 4 until Apple has an upgrade path for the network hardware?

i'd say that iphone 3,3 is the mixed-mode cdma/gsm "world phone" since 3,1 is gsm, 3,2 is cdma, and recently leaked photos (which apple legal made sites take down) show the 3,2 antenna design with a sim card slot.
 

alectheking

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And what two iPhone 5 models are those? HSPA+ for standard networks, plus a special one for T-Mobile USA's network?

I was thinking 4,1 for AT&t and possibly t-mobile both. I'm sure they have a chip that can do that. And 4,2 is probably pure CDMA since LTE seems like a long shot still, but you never know.
 

alectheking

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i'd say that iphone 3,3 is the mixed-mode cdma/gsm "world phone" since 3,1 is gsm, 3,2 is cdma, and recently leaked photos (which apple legal made sites take down) show the 3,2 antenna design with a sim card slot.

The leaked part with the tweaked antenna and sim slot was also said to be the iPhone 5. It will be interesting to see the verizon iPhone tear down to see if all the "iphone 5" parts are actually iPhone 5 or if they were just for the CDMA redesign.
 

Geckotek

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3,3 maybe an iPhone for another carrier.... or a revision to AT&T's iPhone 4 with the new antenna design.

As per 4,1 and 4,2 it is simple. 4,1 is AT&T's (and the rest of the world's) next iPhone model and 4,2 is Verizon's.

Although with AT&T having deployed HSPA+ almost silently (they touted that at CES, not in other news) I am guess that 4,1 is the next iPhone having HSPA+ support. As per why Verizon's might be 4,2... well, SV-DO anyone?

What? Nah, Verizon ain't gettin' the iPhone. :p

Hahaha...funny to see Jav posting speculation on a Verizon iPhone. FWIW, sounds about right. One could hope the 4,2 is an LTE model...but that's wishful thinking.

I think the iPhone 3,3 may be CDMA for China....WiFi removed.
 

cvaldes

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So the big question for potential Verizon iPhone customers is how long until iPhone3,2 is replaced by iPhone4,2? 5 months? Some People say Apple won't release the two versions at the same time. How can we be sure?
You can be sure by getting a job at Apple.

Otherwise, you're guessing, just like the rest of us.
 

alectheking

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That would be a departure from the current practice of giving one ID for the WiFi or 3G (HSPA) iPad. The WiFi-only and 3G-equipped models share the same iPad1,1 ID.

Oh yup, my mistake. But it could still be plausible because of the increase in carrier choices. Hence 3,1 iPhone is at&t and 3,2 is most likely verizon, despite both being iPhone 4.
 

goobot

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one is cmda and the other is gsm. tho 3 ipads? and iphone 3,2 and 3,3 wasnt released. one can be a vz iphone but tho the other?
 

solipsism

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i'd say that iphone 3,3 is the mixed-mode cdma/gsm "world phone" since 3,1 is gsm, 3,2 is cdma, and recently leaked photos (which apple legal made sites take down) show the 3,2 antenna design with a sim card slot.

That doesn’t seem likely or make much sense. The CDMA model can be used with other CDMA carriers and the GSM model only needs the AWS band for T-Mobile USA. On top of that, if they were going to do a World MOde phone why didn’t they? The most likely candidate seems like a GSM/TD-SCDMA model for China Mobile’s 580,000,000 subscribers. It’s the only thing that fits unless this is going to be a different sized iPhone 4.
 
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