Next iPhone to Have Thinner, Higher Quality Screen

[KnightWRX]

My take on a 'megapixel race' is the continued push for higher and higher ppi when the human eye can't even detect beyond 300ppi. This 'saber rattling', if you will, only leads to more and more drain on batteries - the weakest link in cell phones.

Hum, what race in PPI is taking place exactly ? The iPhone 4 still represents one of the highest PPI values out there (screen sizes have been growing, thus requiring more pixels to preserve high PPI).

Also, the human eye can detect beyond 300 ppi, it just depends on the viewing distance. Pixel size is not an absolute measure of what the human eye can and cannot distinguish.

 

[samcraig]

I'd rather be able to down vote a troll than have to respond to them.

No - you'd rather be passive aggressive and name call. Let's call a spade a spade.

 

[KnightWRX]

With the same sensor size in a camera, more pixels means less light per pixel, which means more noise, which means at some point less image quality. For the typical sensor size in cheap cameras, 6 Megapixels gives overall best image quality. Unfortunately it is easy to build a camera with the same tiny sensor but 12 Megapixels, which sells better while producing lower image quality.

Just means your camera is more sensitive to low-light operation. In bright light or with a very long exposure (requiring a stand for stability usually), you can compensate the smaller size and get more details from the added pixels.

That's why I say the spec is not bull. It's just that you shouldn't just buy a camera based on that single spec.

 

[pear21]

This just in, the iphone is gonna be thinner because it's not gonna have an antenna or be able to make phone calls!! Apple decided to take out the ability to make phone calls because they realized no one makes phone calls with their iPhone. However you will be able to buy an antenna similar to buying a disc drive for the new pro!!

 

[KnightWRX]

I'd rather be able to down vote a troll than have to respond to them.

You could also ignore them or report their posts, since trolling is against the rules :

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No need to downvote since most downvoting is done based on disagreement. If you disagree enough to try to rate a post, respond and say why, contributing to the forum and discussion.

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This just in, the iphone is gonna be thinner because it's not gonna have an antenna or be able to make phone calls!! Apple decided to take out the ability to make phone calls because they realized no one makes phone calls with their iPhone. However you will be able to buy an antenna similar to buying a disc drive for the new pro!!

And what would this "phone" do without any radio support (no Wifi, no Phone, no 3G/LTE or other cellular data).

Sounds like a iPod Classic with a touch screen to me.

 

[samcraig]

You could also ignore them or report their posts, since trolling is against the rules :

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No need to downvote since most downvoting is done based on disagreement. If you disagree enough to try to rate a post, respond and say why, contributing to the forum and discussion.

The problem with your suggestion, KnightWRX, is that some people believe anyone that doesn't agree with them or isn't 100% pro-Apple is a troll.

 

[guzhogi]

Does anyone *really* need the iPhone to be thinner at this point? If it was any thinner, it would at least psychologically feel fragile. I think there's a balance between form and function with the slimness of the device, and Apple is already teetering on that edge.

I agree. While the iPod Touch is thinner & feels fairly stable, much thinner and it will seem fragile. Besides, how thin does Apple want to go? Paper thin? If so, think how many cuts people will get? I get paper cuts somewhat often and they are not fun.

Plus, sometimes I need to use my phone one handed. My hands are just the right size and shape so using my iPhone one handed can be pretty tough.

 

[hickabob]

Every company is putting innovation into their products. Let's not speak in hyperbole. And Apple will have to get behind Huawei for marketing the "thinnest phone ever" at 6.68 mm.

http://www.intomobile.com/2012/01/0...worlds-thinnest-dual-core-android-smartphone/

"Every" is a strong word. Half the people I know have cheaply produced phones that were not built with quality materials or engineered for longevity, ergonomics, and/or comfortability. I tip my hat to Huawei and other companies along side Apple, not a fanboy here

 

[Macclone]

It is amusing how worked up people get even though they know absolutely NOTHING about the new phone and it size or battery. Oh, by the way Apple doesn't come here for their design choices, because they will make what they think is best. So, either buy something else or stop whining until they release it.

 

[Carlanga]

Just keep it the same size & increase the battery inside; you can never have enough battery!

 

[CJM]

Not that excited for the iPhone 5; since getting an iPad I don't use my phone as much, but we'll see how it reviews. I may just wait for the next release.

 

[sillypooh]

Wouldn't this info nix the previously revealed glass screens??

 

[devilbond]

I suspect it may reduce Apple's cost, but not ours.

 

[kdarling]

How would it improve the image quality exactly? Denser resolution or something?

Excellent question.

The quality would be better because the touch circuitry is embedded in the LCD instead of being a layer on top.

Thus there's one less layer (two if you count glue) to refract and reflect light. Result: brighter output and less reflection in sunlight.

Here's a diagram I made showing the difference between now (left) and in-cell (right):

 

[Gemütlichkeit]

For a phone the iPhone is pretty thick. Anything to reduce the thickness is fine by me.

No it really isn't.

 

[grimmace]

There has to be more than just stretching it ONE WAY a little bit longer than the current version. It could also be WIDER and still fit in my pocket! There has to be a totally different form factor, not just a little stretch. Oh yeah, and isnt this screen we have already "retina"? What difference will it make other than making US think its sooo much better? The software will most likely be the best thing about it which 4S will already be able to use. I guess I will start purchasing "S" versions of this phone.

 

[racer1441]

Please no. I can bairly hold on to this on with the thinness.

 

[thekev]

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They removed that for a reason. Type something other than a worthless passive aggressive gesture.

What's bull about the megapixel race ? More pixels means more details. Sure it's not the only measure of image quality for cameras or screens (sensor quality and size, aperture, LCD technology, viewing angles, color gamut, etc..)

At the end of the day, thinness or mega pixels are both specs. A device is a combination of specs and no one should be choosing based on a single spec, but on the whole of them. None are really "bull"

One of the things about digital cameras is that they resolve less detail than they claim, especially with primary colors. The pixels are laid out in an RGBG array, and pixel pitch is an issue as they must interpolate gaps. Pushing toward higher resolution allows some measure of oversampling and can often reduce the issue of moire or aliasing artifacts. This is especially relevant with saturated reds and blues which are effectively a fraction of the resolution of a more neutral object due to the sensor layout.

My take on a 'megapixel race' is the continued push for higher and higher ppi when the human eye can't even detect beyond 300ppi. This 'saber rattling', if you will, only leads to more and more drain on batteries - the weakest link in cell phones.

I wish the same effort that's being put into displays was being put into battery longevity.

You don't really resolve things as dots. You resolve them in terms of contrast, and your eyes do a lot of weird things. Basically it stops making a difference when you eye can no longer differentiate dark from light at that frequency and direction. It's a little different from how many dots can be crammed on screen.

 

[samcraig]

I truly miss it

Those cry babies got their way unfortunately.

Hyprocrisy? There seems to be a bunch of people who are no crying they can't downvote but instead have to either post their disagreement or - shudder the thought - deal with it let it go.

 

[tbrinkma]

What's bull about the megapixel race ? More pixels means more details. Sure it's not the only measure of image quality for cameras or screens (sensor quality and size, aperture, LCD technology, viewing angles, color gamut, etc..)

At the end of the day, thinness or mega pixels are both specs. A device is a combination of specs and no one should be choosing based on a single spec, but on the whole of them. None are really "bull"

Judging a camera on mega-pixels makes about as much sense as judging a CPU on MHz. (If MHz were really so important, we'd all still be using Pentium IV CPUs.)

Actually, all else being equal, a higher-megapixel sensor gives you *worse* details because of increased noise. A smaller sensor cell picks up less light, giving less information for the camera to decide what color that pixel is supposed to be. You'll notice the mega-pixel race has pretty much stopped with DSLRs, mostly around the 10-14MP range (wherever each brand decided the image quality trade-off of going to a higher MP sensor got too bad) until you get to large format sensors.

 

[Rocketman]

I think they should use 120% of the thickness savings for an increase in the battery. LTE is a battery hog.

 

[donrsd]

theres going to come a point, in a few years, that the cell phone needs to be 'reinvented again'.

its like videogame systems, there will come a point that you just cant do anything more besides add even more RAM.

sure the new iphone will be better than the 4s.
yet if it werent for the screen size, i wouldnt consider upgrading at all.
that being said.....fast forward a year or 2. the iphone 5s or whatever comes out. whats the point of upgrading?

like the new ipad. sure i have one. what else can they do to get me to buy another one?
the screen is what i want. speed is there. what, apple will add more ram or bigger hard drive space or improve the battery when i already get 10 hours lol

its getting to the point of diminishing returns on my investment.

i still have my tv 2. no need to upgrade to the 3 as it cant be jailbroken.
sure ive thought about it, numerous times a week, but i just can shell out $$$ for something that wont perform for the $$$.

look at the android phones. they are 'speced out', yet nobody cares.
they all run the same with MAYBE a touch better speed on one to the next. the average customer wont even notice the speed difference.

guess as i get older, i dont like to waste my money as much.
sure i like to have the latest tech gadgets & toys, yet if its not 'worth it' ill be passing on such items.

though a 128gb or 160gb iphone 5, 5s, 6 lol would be sweet

 

[ixodes]

What the heck does scree size have to do with the quality of a phone?

Thanks for asking a very appropriate question.

One of Apple's conventions, is "It just works". Another is "It's all about the user experience".

So when discussing any improvement to the phone like this proposed thinner screen, it's a contributing factor to ones experience.

For those of us who buy iPhones and use them as they were designed to be used, as a smartphone, display size is of great importance.

Conversely, some people buy smartphones because they are "trendy". Other cases where Apple is concerned people buy them because their friends and family have iPhones. The light use they see is so minimal that the shortcoming of a tiny 3.5" display is not even noticed by these users who in many cases don't even need a smartphone, but could do quite nicely with a feature phone.

Samsung has proven to me, based on my first hand experience with several of their handsets equipped with various sizes of displays, that the best most useful range of sizes is 4.3" at a bare minimum and 4.65" to 4.8" as the optimum size for composing email messages, text messages and working on the internet.

Just like choosing a laptop, screen size is everything. It's obvious to most people that the most important parts of any smartphone or computer is the size and usefulness of the keyboard and the quality and size of display that one stares at while using the device.

Hopefully I've help you understand what true Smartphone users experience.

 

[basesloaded190]

I don't give a **** about any of this.

Ironically nobody gives a **** what you think.

I haven't read all the pages on this thread, but is this the same technology in the current crop of SAMOLED screens?

 

[kcamfork]

So instead of using the extra space for an even bigger battery, apple goes for the "more thin" than the previous model crap, the classic apple way.

Apple doesn't care about you wanting better battery life. In fact, most iPhone 4 and 4S users are less impressed with battery life with iOS 5 than with iOS 4.

Apple can't advertise "best battery life ever!" So why would they actually give us something useful like better battery life? But they can, and probably will, brag about thinness. Thin being something WE DON'T CARE ABOUT!!! GIVE US BETTER BATTERY LIFE!!!