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Next MacBook and MacBook Pro Updates in June?

skinnylegs said:
Don't kid yourself. Blu-Ray will go the way of the dodo bird in short order. Blu-Ray DVD's are a stop-gap; not a long-term solution. Digital downloads is where *everything* is headed despite what your local Best Guy sales dude may be telling you......and those same people who don't have adequate bandwidth more than likely don't have Blu-Ray DVD players nor will they in the near future. This is a rather moot point.
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I disagree. You must live in a big city where there's all this technology to go around including super high speed internet. Many of us live in the suburbs and we're stuck with slow cable and slow DSL, FIOS in the next ten is as likely as the sewer coming to replace all of our septic tanks.

Yet, like me, all my neighbors are sitting with high-tech equipment, Blu-ray players, and 50" or greater 1080p video. And like me, some of my neighbors agree also that there's no way they're going to be switching to some downloadable content until it's as convenient as popping in a Netflix delivered blue-ray disc. One of my neighbors has a full blown theatre in their basement with a projector of sorts that blows away anything I've ever seen, but it's playing ... Blu Ray ...

So quit dreaming and pontificating like you know downloadable content's here already. It's a LONG way off, the infrastructure just isn't present nor is it in the near or not-so-near future.
 
coryetzkorn said:
Thanks for the positive feedback! I definitely agree with both points you made and have changed the mockup accordingly. New mockup:
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Larger Image:
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Can I just get one of those bezels?
 
Cloudane said:
New keyboard this time plz ;)

That may be when I finally upgrade, as the Powerbook will be finally paid off by then *cough*
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I know it wasn't a new keyboard, but I noticed that they did make the keys like the new ones with Dashboard and media command buttons and no Apple logo. I was surprised nobody really mentioned that when they came out the other day.
 
I guess I'm in the same boat. I have an old TiPb but cannot edit HD video on it. Thank you, sleepingworker, for posting that link. The article does make me want to wait.

BTW, your paintings are remarkable.


sleepingworker said:
I can't believe I'm back to waiting either! Yesterday's update was fine, but some articles are saying to wait until June (as have already been posted on this site: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/82744) for the major upgrade to Centrino 2.

So I just bought another portable 250 gig HD and ordered more RAM for my PB today.
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Indeed, we had heard that Apple's introduction of Penryn-based MacBooks ahead of their usual product cycle was due to Intel's planned phase out of the older chips.
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So if the phasing out of the chips was pushing this update, why they didn't update the Mac mini as well, since it is way older than the books but uses the same chip architecture?

Weird... There must be something in the air with the mini. Form factor? EOL?

groovebuster
 
I'm glad I upgraded now. June is still 4 months away and there could just as well be a WWDC annoucement with "shipping in 2 months"

More likely is the often September Apple keynote in Paris, which Steve Jobbs could use to annouce the new designs. Apple wasn't first off the mark with Penryn, and they could have easily chosen to update earlier.

And what's to say that Intel may not hit a delay? Roadmap or no roadmap.

I'm not just saying this to justify my current purchase. Only the new design would interest me, but I still love the current design (and I cannot see how different a new design would be - possible 0.1 inches thinner, tapered, all-in-one? The MBA is not so different and I've seen it in the flesh). I'm upgrading from a 1GHz 12" PB G4 so I'm not going to notice the difference between an 800MHz FSB or a 1GHZ FSB (considering my current FSB is 133MHZ :eek:)

I don't believe this Intel dictating Apple crap either. As far as I'm aware, Apple is the only manufacturer not to have that annoying "Intel Inside" logo on their computers or ads. Apple doesn't get bullied. PERIOD.*


* even though I'm British, "full stop" doesn't sound so good in certain contexts...
 
New keyboard?

I was eagerly awaiting this update in the hope they'd fix the singlemost annoying fault. The stupidly narrow ENTER key on the MacBook Pro UK keyboard.

Since I switched from Windows, I got used to many nuances of Mac keyboards: -
* Command not Control
* Stupidly small cursor keys
* Completely pointless 'enter' key on bottom right (I soon remapped that)
* ' and @ the wrong way around on UK keyboard
* Shift + Delete is the delete key

But all of this I've managed to get used to. Even when I'm forced to use Windows in Parallels world and the damn keys are all remapped back to the correct UK layout.

But the stupidly skinny Enter key really drives me nuts. I instinctively go for the edge of the keyboard for Enter and I think the new keyboard design on the MacBook Air would solve this problem as it is recessed. On the MacBook Pro I just key tapping the casing. My fingers aren't like sausages either!

All that said, if they came to take my MacBook Pro away from me and replace it with a Dell, I'd beat them to death with a Thinkpad before they got it back. :)
 
johnnyjibbs said:
Actually, keyboards were originally in the 'Apple format' (look at the keyboards on old Amigas, etc) but Windows decided to swap them around.

So Macs are not wrong, it's just Windows :D;)
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But check out that gorgeous doorstop-sized Enter key.

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johnnyjibbs said:
I don't believe this Intel dictating Apple crap either. As far as I'm aware, Apple is the only manufacturer not to have that annoying "Intel Inside" logo on their computers or ads. Apple doesn't get bullied. PERIOD
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You should believe it - when Intel shuts down older production lines, those chips soon disappear from the market.

You should also realize that discounts will diminish at the same time, so if Apple decided to be pig-headed and stick with the older chips their sacred profit margin would suffer. (Even if Apple would "stock up" on the older chips, the cost of the inventory would hit the books and affect the profits.)

It's not bullying, it's the way that chip makers do business. Apple knew this when they switched to Intel.
 
BAD ergonomics in PB / MBP

appletron said:
I was eagerly awaiting this update in the hope they'd fix the singlemost annoying fault. The stupidly narrow ENTER key on the MacBook Pro UK keyboard.

Since I switched from Windows, I got used to many nuances of Mac keyboards: -
* Command not Control
* Stupidly small cursor keys
* Completely pointless 'enter' key on bottom right (I soon remapped that)
* ' and @ the wrong way around on UK keyboard
* Shift + Delete is the delete key
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I totally agree, My swedish PB (the same keyboard as the MBP) has the worst ergonomics of all computers I've had. Apple, answer us if and when you will change the layout?!
- far too small enter-key
- far too small esc-key
- missing delete-, end- and home-key.

It makes people LESS PRODUCTIVE! But let me guess: Apple will continue letting design go before userfriendlyness.
 
Quillz said:
It's bad that new hardware is constantly being released?
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No but it's more like an update every 6 months. Look at the PC scene in terms of graphic cards (and CPUs).... I wasn't with Mac during the PowerPC era so I don't know how rapid the hardware turnover cycle was during those days.
 
RobertKungsholm said:
I totally agree, My swedish PB (the same keyboard as the MBP) has the worst ergonomics of all computers I've had. Apple, answer us if and when you will change the layout?!
- far too small enter-key
- far too small esc-key
- missing delete-, end- and home-key.

It makes people LESS PRODUCTIVE! But let me guess: Apple will continue letting design go before userfriendlyness.
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Yup, yup. And come to think of it, the lack of a # key is unforgivable on a Unix based system used by so many programmers. i want my £ AND my # and what is the point of ± or § ??

Well hopefully next revision will be keyboard free tactile touchscreen UI (how? I dunno!) and then we can configure whatever keyboard we want. Hehe...
 
How many more of these pointless rumours (or even facts) are we going to see. So what if the next Intel Phlegmryn is going to power the next Macbook (Pro). Who cares for the extra milliseconds of speed and that it can draw a few triangles 2% quicker. These reports are just so boring. Intel introduces processors all the time. I'm running on an original Macbook Pro and for most normal apps, I cannot detect any difference between this and my sons Macbooks (bought 18 months apart). They all feel equally responsive and "snappy".

We have a few sad gits getting all excited by the latest Intel processor and then going on why they will wait or not.

Lets rather talk about decent rumours like changes to an OS or a material change to the hardware, not every incremental Intel change. I have no idea what advantages the Penryn offers over the Santa Rosa over .... All I want is a quick computer and stable OS.
 
nhkader said:
We have a few sad gits getting all excited by the latest Intel processor and then going on why they will wait or not.

Lets rather talk about decent rumours like changes to an OS or a material change to the hardware, not every incremental Intel change.
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You should simply choose not to click on stories about Intel rumours and roadmaps, then.

Intel's roadmap is public - it's fair game to speculate on how new chips will be incorporated into systems. Some people will adjust their purchases based on the new designs.

Myself, I'm sick and tired of all of the Iphone and Ipod stories in the main news section - so I don't click on them. It's a simple solution.
 
RobertKungsholm said:
I totally agree, My swedish PB (the same keyboard as the MBP) has the worst ergonomics of all computers I've had. Apple, answer us if and when you will change the layout?!
- far too small enter-key
- far too small esc-key
- missing delete-, end- and home-key.

It makes people LESS PRODUCTIVE! But let me guess: Apple will continue letting design go before userfriendlyness.
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I'm sure you already know this but:

- Delete: hold fn+backspace (I think it's fn...I'm at work on my HP laptop so I can't verify)
- End/Home: Command+left or right arrow key

Anyways, the point is, the functionality exists...there just aren't dedicated keys like PCs have.
 
Koolio27 said:
I'm sure you already know this but:

- Delete: hold fn+backspace (I think it's fn...I'm at work on my HP laptop so I can't verify)
- End/Home: Command+left or right arrow key

Anyways, the point is, the functionality exists...there just aren't dedicated keys like PCs have.
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It's true the functionality exists, but RobertKungsholm is talking about the ergonomics (i.e. designed to provide maximum comfort in use) of the keyboard.

Having to use two hands for for commonly used keys (forwards delete) is not good ergonomics. And yet Apple prides itself on design. This seems like something they've just got stuck with.

I'm still whining about the size of the Enter key, but this is MacRumours forum. You are meant to whine. Or talk about whether to wait for the next release. :)
 
interesting.

First for people who say "Why are people thinking that Montevine is like jesus' coming back?"

It actually is pretty important for Centrino brand. Centrino has always been a platform stressing wireless connectivity and improved battery life for notebooks. Now for the first time, it'll be equiped wirh WiMAX connectivity. Since Apple is NOT using Intel wireless adapters (it uses Atheros) and assuming that will stay like this, this major update won't be promising for Apple as for the other notebook vendors.

Montevina will use the same 45nm Penryn chips, with a little faster BUS speed, but it'll support DDR3-SO-DIMM, which uses less energy and that'll improve battery life. Considering new RAM modules, Apple will probably charge $999 for 4GB memory upgrade. (sarcasm)

Santa Rosa even had Intel Robson ( 1GB memory for MS Vista Readyboost ) and Apple did not use it. Montevina will have Robson2, same 1GB memory, but with a much faster NAND Flash chip insinde, improvong bandwith of the OS access. OSX does not support Robson, so that is another thing that Apple won't use.

The core logic of Intel Graphics X4500, which will debut with Montevina, is totally different than X3100 that Macbooks use now. It support DX10 and HDCP/HDMI, fully supports HD encoding, which will help Apple to start offering BD-R/BD/DVDR Combo drives soon. Also X4500 might support OGL3.0, but OSX uses 2.1, so the extra functionality won't be there until OSX 10.6 comes out in Q4 2009/Q1 2010.

And the major part that may macrumors readers have missed is actually hidden in the Dailytech article.

The upcoming second-generation Penryn mobile processors require the new Socket B motherboards. However, since the thermal envelopes will not change between Penryn revisions vendors will be able to keep the existing form factors, like that found on the ultra-compact Lenovo X300, with minimal changes to the motherboard design.
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So, don't expect a total redesing of Macbook/Macbook Pro. Unless Apple wants to redesign the outdated looks of the laptops, they do not have to do it just because of Montevina.
 
AidenShaw said:
You should believe it - when Intel shuts down older production lines, those chips soon disappear from the market.

You should also realize that discounts will diminish at the same time, so if Apple decided to be pig-headed and stick with the older chips their sacred profit margin would suffer. (Even if Apple would "stock up" on the older chips, the cost of the inventory would hit the books and affect the profits.)

It's not bullying, it's the way that chip makers do business. Apple knew this when they switched to Intel.
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Well this is actually a good statement. If they diminished the older chips then they are gone for good. So if my new MBP starts to have problems and wigs out on me they will have no choice but to give me a "newer" MBP, its a win win situation. :rolleyes:
 
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