Next year, no oleophobic screens anymore?

[Halamolo]

1) Test? As in they didn't do inhouse tests and just decided to wing it with the public? No.

I´m sure they did, but maybe not enough. And the real world test always tells the truth.

2) Constant reports? Besides on here - do you have any data on that? Constant reports? With over 1 million sold - how is a small sample becoming a major issue? And how many of these reports are honestly OPERATOR ERROR?

Yes, constant reports everywhere, not just this forum. You can google and you´ll find tons of reports.

Now in my opinion, I like the new screen, although I do think it might be easier to scratch than previous models.

Yes, this is what most people are saying.

My point is, if the oleophobic screen truly is more fragile. Then I´m sure Apple had some reason to still go with it. Maybe the smudge resistance was truly their only reason and in their mind justifies "fragileness" (if that´s a real word).

But in my humble opinion it doesn´t justify it. Even if the oleophobic screen would be just 1% more fragile than the normal 3G screen, I wouldn´t want it. The screen just HAS TO BE more robust than the previous screen or at least as just as robust than the previous one.

But I would like to know this as a fact, is the new oleophobic screen more fragile or not?

And why didn´t Apple make this as an option? Like the Matte display in MBPs.

 

[colmaclean]

I LOVE the screen on the 3Gs !!!

no screen protector and zero marks .... like anything else thats glass you need to use some care when handling it

+1

I've had no problems with mine, love how the lining of my trouser pocket polishes any smudges off the screen any time I stick the phone in there.

No idea what some maniacs are doing to cause it to peel off. It wasn't the Does It Blend? bloke, was it?

 

[chdwil]

Its the adundance of meth, caffeine, whiskey, and Kool-Aid in here. We're trying to kick the habit.
Hopefully most of you got the Kool-Aid thing.

So you leave crack off the list! Are you a hater?

 

[Unspoken Demise]

So you leave crack off the list! Are you a hater?

I kicked that habit right along with toddler eating. Got to be too expensive.

 

[samcraig]

"Yes, constant reports everywhere, not just this forum. You can google and you´ll find tons of reports"

Why don't you link us since you're the one stating the case? Where are all these reports (and please don't link me to blogs or other mac message boards where again, the sample size is small but the complaints are large)

 

[lavinci]

I love the oleo screen because now I don't have to find a specific type of cloth to wipe the smudges from my 3GS screen. Just wipes off on my cargos or jeans easily. The 3G couldn't rub off oil with a denim type of cloth.

 

[uberamd]

Repeat after me: Complaints found online never represent the majority of customers. People who complain online are a minority, those not suffering from screen issues rarely come online to talk about how good the screen is, but those who have issues gladly come online to complain.

Repeat that a good 20-30 times and you should finally understand. Online complaints are a MINORITY.

 

[gloss]

I´m sure they did, but maybe not enough. And the real world test always tells the truth.



Yes, constant reports everywhere, not just this forum. You can google and you´ll find tons of reports.



Yes, this is what most people are saying.

My point is, if the oleophobic screen truly is more fragile. Then I´m sure Apple had some reason to still go with it. Maybe the smudge resistance was truly their only reason and in their mind justifies "fragileness" (if that´s a real word).

But in my humble opinion it doesn´t justify it. Even if the oleophobic screen would be just 1% more fragile than the normal 3G screen, I wouldn´t want it. The screen just HAS TO BE more robust than the previous screen or at least as just as robust than the previous one.

But I would like to know this as a fact, is the new oleophobic screen more fragile or not?

And why didn´t Apple make this as an option? Like the Matte display in MBPs.

"Fragility".

And I would say that the coating on the screen is more fragile, but the glass underneath is identical. The implication being that you may wear out or scratch the coating, but if you really wanted to you could probably just buff the whole thing off.

 

[serialtoon]

"Yes, constant reports everywhere, not just this forum. You can google and you´ll find tons of reports"

Why don't you link us since you're the one stating the case? Where are all these reports (and please don't link me to blogs or other mac message boards where again, the sample size is small but the complaints are large)

I can Google ANYTHING and get tons of results. Such as "Why do people lie about the coating on the iphone" and i can assure you ill get "tons" of results about various crap websites with these tags. BTW, anyone else think Google is broken

 

[lavinci]

Anything wears off over time. It's called general wear and tear. Apple even has that as a reason when you go in for a Genius appt.

 

[beamer8912]

"Yes, constant reports everywhere, not just this forum. You can google and you´ll find tons of reports"

Why don't you link us since you're the one stating the case? Where are all these reports (and please don't link me to blogs or other mac message boards where again, the sample size is small but the complaints are large)

Wouldn't the sample size on a message board be bigger than that of an article? The article has 1 author, but a message board would have 20, 30, 40+.

I would think a message board would be better at proving the point.

http://www.iphonealley.com/news/warning-new-oleophobic-screen-coating-is-highly-scratchable
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-10280454-233.html
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/ne...s-oleophobic-coating-wearing-off-prematurely/
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2057458&tstart=0
http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/...en-coating-causing-problems-for-some-2009076/
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/iPhone-3GS-oleophobic-coating-wearing-thin-article-a_5859.html
http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/04/apple-blames-hot-iphones-on-the-weather-others-find-oleophobic/
http://iphoneindia.gyanin.com/2009/07/06/oleophobic-coating-on-few-iphone-3gss-wearing-off/
http://www.iphonematters.com/article/iphone_oleophobic_screens_wearing_off_992/

I tried to avoid the forum posts as much as possible as per your request. I do like how tried to make it as hard as possible to find examples by putting on so many requirements. Sneak way of trying to prove your point.

Anything wears off over time. It's called general wear and tear. Apple even has that as a reason when you go in for a Genius appt.

Over time? It's been a month. You didn't seen anyone complaining of these issues with the 2g/3g and those are 1-2 years old. 1 month and the 3GS already has issues? That's not wear and tear.

 

[lavinci]

But this is a coating though. It WILL wear off as with any kind of coating, such as the ones on glasses. It all depends on how often and how greatly the user touches the screen.

 

[uberamd]

Wouldn't the sample size on a message board be bigger than that of an article? The article has 1 author, but a message board would have 20, 30, 40+.

I would think a message board would be better at proving the point.

http://www.iphonealley.com/news/warning-new-oleophobic-screen-coating-is-highly-scratchable
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-10280454-233.html
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/ne...s-oleophobic-coating-wearing-off-prematurely/
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2057458&tstart=0
http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/...en-coating-causing-problems-for-some-2009076/
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/iPhone-3GS-oleophobic-coating-wearing-thin-article-a_5859.html
http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/04/apple-blames-hot-iphones-on-the-weather-others-find-oleophobic/
http://iphoneindia.gyanin.com/2009/07/06/oleophobic-coating-on-few-iphone-3gss-wearing-off/
http://www.iphonematters.com/article/iphone_oleophobic_screens_wearing_off_992/

I tried to avoid the forum posts as much as possible as per your request. I do like how tried to make it as hard as possible to find examples by putting on so many requirements. Sneak way of trying to prove your point.

And you think this represents a large percentage of the 1,000,000+ 3GS iPhone's sold?

 

[QCassidy352]

love the oleophobic screen and have had no problems despite no screen protector.

 

[Halamolo]

And you think this represents a large percentage of the 1,000,000+ 3GS iPhone's sold?

You really think the new oleophobic screen is more robust than the previous one?

 

[uberamd]

You really think the new oleophobic screen is more robust than the previous one?

As an iPod Touch, iPhone 2G, iPhone 3G, and iPhone 3GS owner: yeah. I have had no issues with any of the screens on any of the devices, and I think the 3GS screen is equally robust, if not better.

 

[colmaclean]

You really think the new oleophobic screen is more robust than the previous one?

My understanding was that the "previous one" actually exists on the 3GS, just below the oleophobic layer...

 

[samcraig]

This is RIDICULOUS now

http://www.iphonealley.com/news/warn...ly-scratchable
Did you read this? It just references this message board LOL

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-10280454-233.html
Again - did you read this? it says "a user is complaining "

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/new...f-prematurely/
This is a link to the same story - again - ONE user is complaining

http://discussions.apple.com/thread....57458&tstart=0
LOL - another message board with inconclusive commentary

http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/i...-some-2009076/
Again - same story about the ONE iphone as in cnet and ilounge

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/iPho...le-a_5859.html
Same story

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/04/a...nd-oleophobic/
Same Story

http://iphoneindia.gyanin.com/2009/0...s-wearing-off/
Same Story

http://www.iphonematters.com/article...aring_off_992/
Same Story

So one message board thread which doesn't even have conclusive evidence and links to several blogs/websites with THE SAME STORY OF ONE PERSON + an article that references MR.

Sorry. MASSIVE FAIL to prove your point

 

[beamer8912]

And you think this represents a large percentage of the 1,000,000+ 3GS iPhone's sold?

We could only use news sites, read the post I quoted. The large percentage would be in the forums we weren't allowed to use....only articles. And the "large percentage" you're looking for....aren't hired journalists.

 

[serialtoon]

This is RIDICULOUS now

http://www.iphonealley.com/news/warn...ly-scratchable
Did you read this? It just references this message board LOL

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-10280454-233.html
Again - did you read this? it says "a user is complaining "

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/new...f-prematurely/
This is a link to the same story - again - ONE user is complaining

http://discussions.apple.com/thread....57458&tstart=0
LOL - another message board with inconclusive commentary

http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/i...-some-2009076/
Again - same story about the ONE iphone as in cnet and ilounge

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/iPho...le-a_5859.html
Same story

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/04/a...nd-oleophobic/
Same Story

http://iphoneindia.gyanin.com/2009/0...s-wearing-off/
Same Story

http://www.iphonematters.com/article...aring_off_992/
Same Story

So one message board thread which doesn't even have conclusive evidence and links to several blogs/websites with THE SAME STORY OF ONE PERSON + an article that references MR.

Sorry. MASSIVE FAIL to prove your point

PWND! Close thread!!!

 

[Halamolo]

My understanding was that the "previous one" actually exists on the 3GS, just below the oleophobic layer...

Yes that´s what I believe too, but still you cannot take it off like a screen protector, which makes it part of the screen and if it gets scratches, game over.

 

[Unspoken Demise]

Someone's going to get called Hitler soon. The anger is palpable.

 

[Halamolo]

Someone's going to get called Hitler soon. The anger is palpable.

Ah the magic word.

But seriously, woud be nice to get some facts from Apple about the robustness of the oleophobic screen.

 

[colmaclean]

Ah the magic word.

But seriously, woud be nice to get some facts from Apple about the robustness of the oleophobic screen.

"Facts" and "Apple" in the same sentence?

 

[samcraig]

We could only use news sites, read the post I quoted. The large percentage would be in the forums we weren't allowed to use....only articles. And the "large percentage" you're looking for....aren't hired journalists.

The point is - if it were an ISSUE - it would be in the news. If the majority of iPhone 3GS customers were getting scratched screens or believed their phone was too easily scratched, you would see a lot of NEWS stories calling Apple out on the matt. There aren't (as of yet). Only a handful of forum posters and ONE "news" story.

It may be an issue to the few people with scratched screens. But it is not an ISSUE as others want to believe. Anymore than 3 people protesting about anything being a MOVEMENT.

It's called perspective. Try getting some.