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Next year, no oleophobic screens anymore?

TheSpaz said:
My question is...

If one iPhone 3GS screen can scratch or wear... can't ALL iPhone 3GS screens do that? All you need is ONE hit on google for this issue. I find it hard to believe that millions of iPhones have stronger oleophobic coatings while SOME have a weaker coating with less durability.

If one scratches... they ALL scratch. Truth is... the fancy oleophobic coating can get marked up. I think that's a pretty big deal. What is a person to do when they're coming from a highly scratch-resistant iPhone 3G to an iPhone 3GS and a month later they have tiny scratches that they can't explain?

Oleophobic really means that Apple wants you to have another reason to upgrade to the next iPhone due to your screen being scratched up over time.

The first gen iPhone was hard to damage (except for the glass screen). The iPhone casing didn't crack, the screen was hard to scratch, the buttons didn't fall off and the aluminum casing didn't scratch easily as well. The iPhone 3G became more destructible and now the iPhone 3GS is even MORE destructible.
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OMG - TheSpaz is Oliver Stone! All these conspiracy theories.

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If one iPhone 3GS screen can scratch or wear... can't ALL iPhone 3GS screens do that? All you need is ONE hit on google for this issue. I find it hard to believe that millions of iPhones have stronger oleophobic coatings while SOME have a weaker coating with less durability.

If one scratches... they ALL scratch."

Do you know anything about manufacturing? Do you really work in printing?!

If a few of your papers our out of registration - are ALL of them out of registration? No - some "glitch" might cause a temporary shifting in the paper or plates and cause one or more to be less than perfect

Anything manufactured can and will have defects. That's not the issue. The issue is if it's a wide-spread problem.. or some isolated incidents. As of now - there is no conclusive evidence that it's anything more than a few people getting scratches.

And yes - eventually every iphone out there will get scratched. It's life. That doesn't mean it's a defect.
 
Halamolo said:
You really think the new oleophobic screen is more robust than the previous one?
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I have found my 3gs screen to resist more wear than my friends 3g did.

My screen is not yellowed at all and is infact much brighter than his 3g when both units are set to full brightness.

My white case has not turned pink regardless of the weather conditions i have used it in.

As a coating, if the olephobic layer did get scratches in it then it should offer a little extra protection to the actual glass underneath and could be more easily buffed away than the unprotected screen in the 3g, Because of this you could argue that the coating offers extra protection against permanant scratches as well as resistance to smudges.

As with many reports on the internet a small sample of problems on faulty devices are labelled as an issue with the product as a whole.
 
gloss said:
One Nano exploded in an Audi and burned it to a crisp. Clearly all Nanos are explosive and should be kept away from automobiles.

Screen scratching is such a subjective thing - not everyone treats their devices the same way. Wear-and-tear is not a repeatable, consistent event.
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A few years back I bought an HP desktop system and the power transformer was defective. I should head over to the HP forums and post that there's a huge issue with HP power transformers.. right? LOL
 
samcraig said:
A few years back I bought an HP desktop system and the power transformer was defective. I should head over to the HP forums and post that there's a huge issue with HP power transformers.. right? LOL
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I think you need to change the batteries in your sarcasm detector. Its usually spot-on. Must be the batteries.
 
gloss said:
One Nano exploded in an Audi and burned it to a crisp. Clearly all Nanos are explosive and should be kept away from automobiles.

Screen scratching is such a subjective thing - not everyone treats their devices the same way. Wear-and-tear is not a repeatable, consistent event.
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You can't rub off something that doesn't exist. There's no coating to scratch or rub off on the original iPhone. Yes, it is possible to scratch the original iPhone's glass surface, but I'm guessing glass is harder than a thin coating.
 
samcraig said:
Anything manufactured can and will have defects. That's not the issue. The issue is if it's a wide-spread problem.. or some isolated incidents. As of now - there is no conclusive evidence that it's anything more than a few people getting scratches.

And yes - eventually every iphone out there will get scratched. It's life. That doesn't mean it's a defect.
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You just contradicted yourself there:

"Anything manufactured can and well have defects"

and then you said:

"And yes - eventually every iPhone out there will get scratched. It's life. That doesn't mean it's a defect."

So in that case... if my iPhone 3GS (if I had one... just pretend for a second) got scratched on the screen too easily... could I then bring it to Apple and tell them I got one with a defective coating on it? No... they're never going to buy that complaint. So in that case... how can you say that some iPhone 3GS's are less likely to get scratches while others (defects?) can scratch more easily?

Unspoken Demise said:
Should I get a replacement if that fails? I already tried a restore. And the screen is kinda yellow.

Spaz, what should I do?
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I understand that you're making fun of my pickiness, but my 3GS screen wasn't "kinda" yellow. I can live with "kinda yellow". It went from white at the top, to dirty nicotine yellow at the bottom. It was a gradient that was hard to ignore. Just letting you know.
 
oh, and on the whole google search as evidence.

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My god, it's too dangerous to go outside these days.
 
kurosov said:
oh, and on the whole google search as evidence.

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My god, it's too dangerous to go outside these days.
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Do you even know how to use google? It will search for ANYTHING using any of those words. To make your search work correctly you have to do "Hedgehogs falling from the sky" in quotes.

Also, not all searches have to do with what you're searching for. A lot of sites put whatever-ness into the meta tags so that they get hits. I only trust the first few pages of Google... if I don't find what I'm looking for then I try different wording or move on.
 
TheSpaz said:
You just contradicted yourself there:

"Anything manufactured can and well have defects"

and then you said:

"And yes - eventually every iPhone out there will get scratched. It's life. That doesn't mean it's a defect."

So in that case... if my iPhone 3GS (if I had one... just pretend for a second) got scratched on the screen too easily... could I then bring it to Apple and tell them I got one with a defective coating on it? No... they're never going to buy that complaint. So in that case... how can you say that some iPhone 3GS's are less likely to get scratches while others (defects?) can scratch more easily?
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I didn't contradict myself. You have epic logic fail. But that's to be expected.

Majority rules. If the 3gs had a screen scratching issue, Apple and ATT would be getting hammered with complaints both in stores and on the phone. It's been a month and there's been no outcry except a handful of posters on here. That's the difference.

When or even IF the screen becomes something that is widespread amongst the total number of units manufactured (i.e. the ipod recall in china or wherever) then you can cry foul.

Until then - it's no different than saying that because you're screen appears yellow that there's a huge problem with the 3gs screens. Or because YOUR battery used 5 percent when surfing and your friends only used 3 percent - there is a battery issue with all 3gs.
 
TheSpaz said:
Do you really think he wants to risk ruining his own screen trying to find out if they scratch easily. Come on now... these aren't cheap devices.
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What are you talking about? I'm not suggesting that in the slightest. Are you really that dense?

Actual experience would be something along the lines of, "My 3GS has much more scratches than my 3G even though I have babied both of them etc.."

He is claiming his "experience" with the 3GS scratching easily is from reading forum posts about it.
 
TheSpaz said:
Do you even know how to use google? It will search for ANYTHING using any of those words. To make your search work correctly you have to do "Hedgehogs falling from the sky" in quotes.

Also, not all searches have to do with what you're searching for. A lot of sites put whatever-ness into the meta tags so that they get hits. I only trust the first few pages of Google... if I don't find what I'm looking for then I try different wording or move on.
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Most people don't bother with using search engine optimisation as long as it lends weight to the point they are trying to prove. you may only 'trust' the first few pages of google but that doesn't stop people stating 'searching for "insert issue here" gets 500,000 results'.

These issues are not as wide scale as people here seem to believe.
 
My 3G S Screen feels so much better than my 3G Screen.

Hope they keep the layer, its silky smooth
 
TheSpaz said:
Do you even know how to use google? It will search for ANYTHING using any of those words. To make your search work correctly you have to do "Hedgehogs falling from the sky" in quotes.

Also, not all searches have to do with what you're searching for. A lot of sites put whatever-ness into the meta tags so that they get hits. I only trust the first few pages of Google... if I don't find what I'm looking for then I try different wording or move on.
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"steve jobs dead" returns nearly 100,000 hits. Just because there are a lot of hits on Google doesn't mean it's true.

Anyway, on topic, there may or may not be a defect in the coating. The process may have gotten off track for some of the screens, so some of them might have defective screens, but that certainly doesn't mean all of them do. There are many factors that Apple should diligently examine, and if they find sufficient evidence that this is a widespread manufacturing defect, they will issue a recall. That's how recalls work.

My personal opinion, not having touched a 3GS, is that the oleophobic coating is a great idea, at least in theory, as one of the biggest complaints about the iPhone and iPhone 3G were the smudges.
 
As a coating, if the olephobic layer did get scratches in it then it should offer a little extra protection to the actual glass underneath and could be more easily buffed away than the unprotected screen in the 3g, Because of this you could argue that the coating offers extra protection against permanant scratches as well as resistance to smudges.
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This right here is BS. It´s NOT "extra protection" like the removable screen protectors out there! If it gets scratched, the scratch is there forever. And if there was only the strong glass like in 3G, it probably wouldn´t have scratched in the first place.

What it comes down to is that, is the oleophobic coating on the top more scratch resistant than the glass beneath it? I think not based on the reception of the people. But I would like to have solid facts.

If it is infact more stronger than the glass, GREAT! Case closed. But I doubt it.

And about the "conspiracy theories" Apple making more fragile devices and cutting corners, I wouldn´t be suprised, ´cause in the end it´s just "better" business (not in the long run necessarily) for them and almost all companies do it. Cheaper to manufacture and people have to renew their devices more often, but it may come back to them of course someday in this age of information. I do hope Apple would be above that, but the QC has really gone downwards recently.

Truth is stranger than fiction.
 
Halamolo said:
This right here is BS. It´s NOT "extra protection" like the removable screen protectors out there! If it gets scratched, the scratch is there forever. And if there was only the strong glass like in 3G, it probably wouldn´t have scratched in the first place.

What it comes down to is that, is the oleophobic coating on the top more scratch resistant than the glass beneath it? I think not based on the reception of the people. But I would like to have solid facts.

If it is infact more stronger than the glass, GREAT! Case closed. But I doubt it.

And about the "conspiracy theories" Apple making more fragile devices I wouldn´t be suprised, ´cause in the end it´s just "better" business (not in the long run necessarily) for them and almost all companies do it. Cheaper to manufacture and people have to renew their devices more often, but it may come back to them of course someday in this age of information. But I do hope Apple would be above that, but the QC has really gone downwards recently.

Truth is stranger than fiction.
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I like you.
 
Halamolo said:
This right here is BS. It´s NOT "extra protection" like the removable screen protectors out there! If it gets scratched, the scratch is there forever. And if there was only the strong glass like in 3G, it probably wouldn´t have scratched in the first place.
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The coating does not somehow make the glass itself more prone to scratching so if the 3gs where be be more prone to scratching (not that i think this is the case) then it would be the coating itself that is being scratched. A thin coating is much easier to remove than buffing glass down to remove a scratch.

What part of that didn't you understand?

I do not use and do not intend to use any case or protector on my 3gs and so far it has been very resistant to scratches.
 
I hope they have better screens next year.

They replaced my 3G S this morning at the Apple store because the coating was rubbing off in the middle and across the bottom. I have a screen protector on it now but I always hated using them before.
 
I despise the new coating. I love the fact that it keeps fingerprints off, but it feels horrible and scratches way too easily.
 
I used it for about a week before putting on a protector and I liked it. I think I'm sold on protectors though since the screen does get scratched and the protectors don't limit functionality for me. Plus they offer similar oil protection. The anti glare skin actually improves functionality.

Anyway, it's a coating. It will wear off. The glass is no more or less scratchable than the other phones, however, the coating itself might get damaged. Obviously if there's no coating it can't get damaged, so in that respect the screen is more susceptible to scratches. I haven't seen any damaged coating, so no idea if this even matters beyond limited effectiveness of the coating.
 
Halamolo said:
This right here is BS. It´s NOT "extra protection" like the removable screen protectors out there! If it gets scratched, the scratch is there forever. And if there was only the strong glass like in 3G, it probably wouldn´t have scratched in the first place.
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The glass underneath is THE SAME GLASS.

When you get scratches, they are in the coating, and will wear off with use.
 
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