NextGeniPhone: Hardware News & Rumors Thread.

Eso said:
All the enhanced features of iPhone software 3.0...
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Good post Eso.

Apple spoon feeding us updates when they think we need it you think?

And I think what Milani may be saying is what is pushing Apple to release a new phone? Another phone? Pre? Other? Nothing really I suppose.

But I still think they will. ;)
 
milani said:
For what it's worth, I was also one of a few people who called everyone on the nano rumor. I figure that most people who probably don't believe there will be a brand new iPhone this spring probably don't even bother posting about, so I speak on their behalf as much as my own.

And I don't at all plan on laughing at anyone if I'm right or not - because this is Apple and we all know that Apple often does things for no other reason than they decided that is what they want to do. I just don't buy that Apple has the money or the time to release a game changing smart phone every single year. I think that there will always be upgrades, but I consider 3.0 OS update to be substantial enough to fit the bill for this year, that's for sure. I can't think of another smart phone that has ever had such a substantial software update, because 3.0 has basically doubled the functionality of the iPhone, which is a pretty nice gift for those of us who bought our iPhone almost a year ago now (nevermind those original adopters).

And as to your previous post, it might actually be too much to ask. For this entire time (prior to 3.0) basic functionality was too much to ask for. Based on how long it took Apple to add things like copy paste, SMS forwarding, and MMS, the likelihood that they'll roll out the red carpet for a new iPhone that has all the features we're still missing in the same breath seems more than a little unlikely to me.
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My main reason for thinking that there's going to be a new iPhone is that Apple have just gone all out on bringing the iPhone up to date with other phones, and they've added most of the much-requested features.

Copy & paste? Check.
MMS? Check.
SMS forwarding? Check.
Landscape orientation in more apps? Check.
Search feature on the phone? Check.

I have seen hundreds of threads requesting those 5 features alone on the Apple forums, and that's just the forums.

You know what would be a really nice complement to the MMS app? A better camera with video and flash ;)

I also believe Apple has a fair bit of work to do to cater for customer needs who want one specific use out of their phone. My girlfriend wanted a phone with a lot of storage and a decent camera (she's a photographer), so she got an N95. There are better camera and music phones out there.
 
archurban said:
new iphone 3G will be coming out some day this summer. but it will not June. Apple will probably introduce one, then will begin to sell it later. unfortunately we won't see iphone 4G until the end of 2010.
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I am more in agreement with this.

I personally think the most Apple will do is a 32-GB iPhone.

Why hold off? Because in 2010 they will be able to have iPhone on any carrier they want. If I had a cool new phone like that, I'd wait til I could spread it across the board and then knock all the "wannabes" out of the market.

The 3.0 update in my book goes in sync with a yearly update, but I also think the openings for a new hardware phone is mostly to prepare app developers for things to come in 2010. Think about it...a year then to develop and dream up wild ideas and then later a better device to go nuts on.

I think the most we'll see is a 32-GB iPhone.
 
I think we will see a new one. Even thought 3.0 is coming out, that is, after all, a software update. I think we can easily expect a hardware update of some kind. I think it will be more than just a memory increase too. While it may not be the anticipated iPhone Video (or whatever you want to call it), I do expect some kind of hardware update.
 
With all the rumors and news and just about every other site and most members here expecting something new it may end up being HUGE news when a new iPhone isn't announced!
 
=MuLti-CeLL= said:
Best to have low expectations with high hopes. ;)
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Thats how you have to stay with these types of things I suppose. Since I'm using an original iPhone, switching to 3G with 3.0 would still be a pretty big change.

One way or another I'm upgrading this summer.
 
Eso, I appreciate that you tried, but it's obvious that you're not familiar with logic. It doesn't matter whether the features of 3.0 were available on other phones, it doesn't matter if the iPhone has painfully crippled functionality. The fact remains that when you compare 2.2 to 3.0, there are significant improvements, and considering the number of features that have been added, and the potential in terms of App Store development, it isn't a stretch to suggest that the functionality has doubled. If you think about it, you'll understand. :)

I also enjoy the typical sense of entitlement that Apple fans such as yourself have. "Apple should have given me this to begin with." No, Apple shouldn't give you anything, because you as a customer aren't entitled to anything other than what is offered to you. It's down to that old if you don't like it don't buy it principle.

Sadly, you've got a fundamentally flawed conception of how it works - and my point was that it was pretty generous of Apple to release this software update that is going to give preexisting owners more functionality than they currently have. As I already asked (which you obvious didn't answer) can you point out another phone manufacturer that offered such a significant update almost a year after the release of a product (almost two years for original iPhone owners)? Didn't think so.

Finally, if, as you claim, Apple was solely interested in bringing new customers into the fold, then they wouldn't have made a 3.0 update, and would have simply carried those updates over to a new hardware update. The fact that they didn't is worth noting. In either case, it's painfully apparent that you argue solely to argue (I believe it's called being sophistic), because you don't actually have any points, you just try to correct or disagree with little bits and pieces of what people say (hence your wonderful use of the multi-quote).
 
Smaller size, more memory, faster cpu, cheaper price, no monthly fee, new app store, all new apps, higher res screen, easier to use - iPhone Nano. CONFIRMED for this summer.
 
I think the "We'll give you the feature when it's seemingly ready" is a decent one - if you look at cut copy paste - you can see an inkling of it back in the 2007 WWDC when they're showing off Safari's Webclip (which is a point - the iPhone could do webclips in a card analogy similar to pre if it wanted...)

I think, like WWDC 2008, there might be some problems in double guessing Apple's long-term strategy. E.g. The opening up of the dock connector, and BlueTooth is HUGE. It really does bear shouting about - as it'll v. likely have a decent amount of time to the companies that were able to get something ready for a presentation in 2 months time.

I think it's worthwhile doing some castle in the sky thinking again -
Would you want a better camera. Or a digital camera that you can slave to your iPhone, to use as a remote previewer/options selector/remote photo taker? E.g. Think Eye-Fi that does Bonjour. You control your camera, take the picture, wifi it over to your phone, select what you want, an email a preview/lo-fi version off.

BT proximity sensing to activate things/ use to set devices in the home, security etc. If they nail the adding the BT /wireless to devices, and make it easy to do for new versions/retrofit, it could be a hack a day's paradise.

This isn't just "a phone, an iPod, and a breakthrough Internet device" anymore - this the digital conductor's wireless baton to control and view get data, send data...

To think that Apple can't do 2 things at once is ludicrous. Yes, it has a finite set of resources. v3 iPhone is a good indicator of Apple's momentum.
But as shown by there current update of Macs - Apple lays the ground for updates in products it's put out there prior to updating the software. They might not be totally in sync, but Apple can work around that. The BT has been dormant for pretty much a year, but now will have bigger potential functionality than many BT in other phones for example.

I haven't seen anyone here realistically say - no there won't be ANY changes to hardware, or say there won't be a new phone version by the end of summer. I might be wrong, but that's what i got last time i read this thread.

With the iPhone maturing, they have space in the Apple stable to add another line of iPhones, with different features if they want, rather than stop selling the iPhone 3G. They can then offer iPhone 3G at a competitive rate (and have decent margins) and also offer the new iPhone with some decent new features.

An iPhone can't converge everything, as there are physical limitations unless you want to change the shape and innards a lot - e.g. adding Flip like video capabilities at HD levels requires a shift in design. However, a lot of other devices have already been converged upon, with others known to definitively be being added -
e.g. WWDC 2009 will be v. likely be Ground Zero for SatNav phone convergence. Anyone still remember the Nuvifone? ;)

We've already seen convergence with iPod at launch. The iPhone is the MID Intel pushed but hasn't made in quantity. It's the Tonchidot/Enkin device that could deliver in mere months (See Bill Gates' swan song keynote and how the iPhone could deliver that dream). Yes, there will not be everything in there. But it's an increase, over time.
I believe there will be a decent hardware upgrade. But even if not, in a way, other things already announced, and to be announced will be bigger in the long-run.
 
cellocello said:
Smaller size, more memory, faster cpu, cheaper price, no monthly fee, new app store, all new apps, higher res screen, easier to use - iPhone Nano. CONFIRMED for this summer.
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What do you mean by no monthly fee?

As long as the phone uses data, there will be a monthly fee.
 
milani said:
The fact remains that when you compare 2.2 to 3.0, there are significant improvements, and considering the number of features that have been added, and the potential in terms of App Store development, it isn't a stretch to suggest that the functionality has doubled.
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Saying the functionality has doubled is quite an overstatement, and I'm not the only one who would say so.

milani said:
I also enjoy the typical sense of entitlement that Apple fans such as yourself have. "Apple should have given me this to begin with."
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Actually, I thought it was clear that I am critical of the iPhone. There is a good chance I will buy something other than the iPhone come late in the year. I knew full well what I was buying when I did. I know what the iPhone does and what it does not, and it fit my purposes. Take stereo bluetooth, for example. The chipset has been there from the beginning. From a hardware standpoint, the iPhone has been fully capable of AD2P setero bluetooth since it's release date. Apple specifically limited it's use to headset pairing on a phone call (no pairing to a computer, no file transferring, no stereo bluetooth with the iPod). Why? The only valid reason other than "they wanted to" was "they didn't know how", which just makes them inept. I am not going to applaud them now that they have finally decided to include it.

milani said:
As I already asked (which you obvious didn't answer) can you point out another phone manufacturer that offered such a significant update almost a year after the release of a product (almost two years for original iPhone owners)?
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Why would I need to, it's completely irrelevant. What bearing does how often other manufacturers release updates have on Apple's business plan? Plus, other manufacturers don't need to release such "significant" updates since all these standard features are available in the first place. But if you insist:

1)Nokia. - updates for about 100 phone models. Symbian 9.1 was released in 2005 and has been updated 3 times.

2)RIM - updates for more than 22 phones on AT&T alone. This is of course v4.5 of the BB device software, available for (among others), the BB 8700, which is a three and a half year old phone.

3)Windows Mobile - free 6.1 update and (coming soon) 6.5 update to the 6.0 software which was released in the beginning of 2007. Furthermore, there have been 11 free updates to windows mobile 5, which will be actively supported through Oct. 2010.

milani said:
Finally, if, as you claim, Apple was solely interested in bringing new customers into the fold, then they wouldn't have made a 3.0 update, and would have simply carried those updates over to a new hardware update.
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That doesn't make any sense at all. How could they "carry those updates to the new hardware update" without updating the software? There is no "sole" reason why Apple is releasing 3.0, but the driving incentive is to get new cusotmers, just like any company. Furthermore, the most likely scenario is that 3.0 will be released along side a new iPhone model meaning that Apple would indeed be "carrying those updates" to the new iPhone without limiting them to it.
 
I know what the iPhone does and what it does not, and it fit my purposes. Take stereo bluetooth, for example. The chipset has been there from the beginning. From a hardware standpoint, the iPhone has been fully capable of AD2P setero bluetooth since it's release date. Apple specifically limited it's use to headset pairing on a phone call (no pairing to a computer, no file transferring, no stereo bluetooth with the iPod). Why? The only valid reason other than "they wanted to" was "they didn't know how", which just makes them inept. I am not going to applaud them now that they have finally decided to include it.
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So because you say the only valid reason is the one you supply, that's logically so? :D

How about - they were looking to open up BlueTooth and the dock connector, and it took them a while to do - but they had the BT in there for when they'd got it secure and ready, to then provide much more than would normally be expected?

So 3rd option - it may just have taken some time to implement. Which can link into "they wanted to (later on)".

I guess not having already implemented features from the future makes Apple inept. But it makes them a bit less inept by that logic, than others that haven't got certain other features up and running that Apple does... ;)
 
t0mat0 said:
So because you say the only valid reason is the one you supply, that's logically so?

How about - they were looking to open up BlueTooth and the dock connector, and it took them a while to do - but they had the BT in there for when they'd got it secure and ready, to then provide much more than would normally be expected?

So 3rd option - it may just have taken some time to implement. Which can link into "they wanted to (later on)".

I guess not having already implemented features from the future makes Apple inept. But it makes them a bit less inept by that logic, than others that haven't got certain other features up and running that Apple does...
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Ya know, I was thinking maybe Apple just wanted to 'get it right' and take their time, reffering to the BT here, but to take an entire year?!

Doesn't really matter to me though, it's coming, and I'm not losing out on anything by not having a iPhone right now anyways, I'm excited about 3.0. :)
 
Haha yet again Eso you've proved my point. I recommend you take a logic or a philosophy class. In doing so, you might recognize that your arguments are fundamentally illogical and often simply nonsensical.
 
t0mat0 said:
So because you say the only valid reason is the one you supply, that's logically so?
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Yes, because the statement, "They decided not to include it OR they were unable to", is always logically true.

t0mat0 said:
How about - they were looking to open up BlueTooth and the dock connector, and it took them a while to do - but they had the BT in there for when they'd got it secure and ready, to then provide much more than would normally be expected?

So 3rd option - it may just have taken some time to implement. Which can link into "they wanted to (later on)".
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"It took them awhile", "it may have taken some time to implement", and "they wanted to (later on)" so they could "get it right" all simply indicate that they were unable to do it in the first place. In other words, if they knew how to implement it in 1.0, they would have.

My point, however, was that it seems unlikely to me that Apple wouldn't have been able to implement full bluetooth functionality from 1.0, which makes me feel like they simply decided not to include it. I can see why Apple doesn't want bluetooth file transfer, aside from the obvious that there is no user-accessible file system. Regardless, whether unwilling or unable, reasons for not including it from the beginning are poor and therefore I am not going to applaud them for including it two years later (yes, two years, Multi-cell, not one).
 
milani said:
Haha yet again Eso you've proved my point. I recommend you take a logic or a philosophy class. In doing so, you might recognize that your arguments are fundamentally illogical and often simply nonsensical.
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...and yet you can never seem to point out examples or generate any sources.

Perhaps logic to you is blindly stating that no other phone manufacturing company "offered such a significant update almost a year after the release of a product", being refuted by actual fact, then replying "go take a philosophy class."

Right.
 
milani said:
Haha yet again Eso you've proved my point. I recommend you take a logic or a philosophy class. In doing so, you might recognize that your arguments are fundamentally illogical and often simply nonsensical.
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Knock it off, you make barely any sense either, hardly even readable.

This discussion is pathetically amateur. New hardware is on the way because it is. Without any doubt. When, makes no difference.

As far as the rant about features, grow up and understand that every feature is a selling point. The reason why we have yesterdays features "coming soon" for the iPhone, is because Apple is THE master of planned obsolecense, and with the iPhone they've taken it to a bold new level. Hook em like the suckers they are, and throw em a bone when they whine too loud.

Couldn't be simpler.
 
lftrghtparadigm said:
Knock it off, you make barely any sense either, hardly even readable.

This discussion is pathetically amateur. New hardware is on the way because it is. Without any doubt. When, makes no difference.

As far as the rant about features, grow up and understand that every feature is a selling point. The reason why we have yesterdays features "coming soon" for the iPhone, is because Apple is THE master of planned obsolecense, and with the iPhone they've taken it to a bold new level. Hook em like the suckers they are, and throw em a bone when they whine too loud.

Couldn't be simpler.
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b..b...b..b...but...

Short and sweet but true. :D
 
lftrghtparadigm said:
Knock it off, you make barely any sense either, hardly even readable.
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I think the fault is on your end, I can't really help what you can't comprehend. :cool: Anyway, if you dont like the discussion, then why did you post in a thread titled: "Reasons YOU Think We Will/Will Not See New iPhone Hardware This Summer." ?
 
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