It's still subjective and opinion, very possibly an opinion that many or few share, but still opinion.
I've asked you before, what feature would you consider to be an above average upgrade. Which phone(s) have progressed to the next series and had a feature like this? I'm still curious what you think would qualify in terms of your argument. I may be a bit old fashioned here, but "go bonkers over it" doesn't exactly equal a focus group, survey, etc etc. It's pretty obvious that iphone fans go "bonkers" over every iteration of the iphone, and some of those iterations are pretty unsubstantial so I'm not sure community response is necessarily a valid metric even if it did have any logic to it.
At the end of the day it's not that I don't agree with you, yes we are in an era of diminishing returns, but I think that has been with us for the past 2 cycles at least. What has been so earth shattering on smartphones in the past 2 cycles? Arguably since the iphone 1 really.
You are making it too complicated (again). Simple fact. Nothing earth shattering. Decent upgrade. Same price to consumer. I don't know why you are acting shocked. It was all expected.
Straus, let's be honest, you were making more than just the simple point that this is an average upgrade.
No I wasn't. You are just making assumptions.
Also, for what it's worth, you were the one that compared it to the iPhone first saying essentially that the iPhone upgrade from 5S to 6 will be bigger.
Seeing as how nothing is confirmed and it is all speculation, I can say that based on expectations alone. And how the respective community will react to a larger screen.
I guess this is agreeable but it's only bigger because Apple doesn't offer more options -- this is something that can't simply be ignored as if the hardware playing field is leveled on both camps.
Now you are ignoring community response. But really you are just dragging this off topic from the simple point I was making.
Apple is way behind on a number of things; that's why the 5S to the 6 (presumably, we don't even really know) will be a bigger deal. If you're going to bring the iPhone into the conversation, this can't be ignored.
Yet you ignore community response? Hm. Why would someone care about an iPhone upgrade if that person doesn't even consider iPhones? Exactly, they wouldn't. So relative upgrade response is going to be specific to each community. But again, you are dragging this off topic. Relative community response was only to suppliment the simple fact people here don't seem to understand. Either that or get personally offended when someone says that the phone they just dropped a couple benjamins on is a "decent" upgrade.
Then you also said:
And this:
You make the same mistake everyone else makes. Notice a lack of definitive terms. Note the inclusion of the word "could." You said there was nothing else to add besides water proof. I corrected you.
So you can't be too surprised when people take your "Nexus 5 is an average update" posts somewhat in a negative light. The above posts sound like you're disappointed. That adds context to "this is an average update." (Not to mention your complaints about stock Android and the Nexus line in general from all the previous other posts...)
People only remember the bad. That is how the human brain works. Apparently nobody remembers my review of the Nexus 4 where I said I ditched my iPhone? Or the multiple times I mentioned I planned on buying it before it was even official? Or the fact that I bought it before even reading anything official about the dang phone. Did I read a single word about the official specs? No. Did I read a single word about what kit kat brings on the Nexus 5? No. Did I read about battery life? No. Did I read about camera? No. My computer made a noise, I knew it was the Nexus 5. I didn't think, I just bought it because I knew a long time ago that I was going to upgrade. They could have put a dual-core CPU in and a 720p display and I probably still would have purchased it.
If you're disappointed, you're disappointed -- that's fine.
Why you think this I have no idea. You even responded to the post where I said I bought it and didn't even look at it before buying.
Just saying, don't act so shocked people are taking your posts that way.
I'm not. People are sensitive and don't understand when someone wants what they say to simply be taken for what it is. They make it more complicated or ignore past posts.
And like others have said, if it's so obvious that this is your average run of the mill update,
Which in no way contradicts my original post that sparked this discussion, yet so many people came in trying to debate it.
why feel the need to point out the obvious, if not to say something about it?
Sorry, I was under the impression open forums were for the purpose of openly discussing. I must have forgotten that nobody ever in the history of this forum has ever once said something that some people thought were obvious.
You keep pointing out there's this pattern -- I guess that's nice of you to point out the obvious, but why are you so surprised when people ask "so what?" or "what's your point [if not to make a negative assertion]?"
You talk as if that is what people did when it simply is not. If that is all people said, then there would be no disagreement. If there is no disagreement, there would be nothing to argue about. If there was nothing to argue about, this topic wouldn't still be going on pages later. So from simple logic, we can conclude this is not all people asked. People ignored the simple statement to bring in arguments unrelated to my own. Those topics I never debated (value of the phone being one of them). Since I never debated those topics, I felt no need to respond to that specific part of the post. But of course, now people have just dragged this completely off topic. It started as me simply saying that this upgrade is a decent upgrade with nothing too crazy. Why are people so shocked to hear that they have to debate it for pages?
These specs have been known for a long time, and, if the pattern is that smartphones are "averaging" out per 2013 standards, why are you disappointed?
Challenge: Quote me once throughout the 100+ pages where I said I was disappointed. You can't? Then stop lying.
This part of your response is exactly part of the problem. You say yourself that it is averaging out.
THAT IS EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!!!! Yet here you are trying to make this into a debate! And you say I am disappointed? How can I be disappointed about something when that something was what I brought up in the first place! I said it was an average upgrade with no additional cost to the consumer. That is the industry standard now. LG does it, Sony does it, Samsung does it, and Apple does it. Why would I be disappointed? Answer: I wouldn't. Proof: I bought the dang phone.
I don't get what is so complicated. I am very excited about this phone. Have been waiting for it ever since the GS4 announcement. I got my order in, it already shipped and its on its way. I'm ecstatic! That just doesn't always come across on forums I guess. Maybe I should use more exclamation marks?
Doesn't that mean everything is more or less on point?
It means I stated a simple fact people felt the need to start an argument over.
You also keep telling us the price/value is irrelevant. I guess if you want to make it irrelevant, you can, but to everyone else, what the Nexus 5 is offering for the price is one of the biggest features of a Nexus phone.
Show me where I said price/value is irrelevant to the phone. You can't. You know why? Because I said it was irrelevant in context to my original point. I never once debated the value of the phone. If I thought it was a bad value, tell me why I bought it instantly. Oh ya, you can't.
I said that is not relevant to my original argument, thus I never debated it. If you can find one post on the entire Internet where I debate the value of the Nexus 5, I will bow to your perfect and whole knowledge.
If you want to talk solely about hardware progression, that's fine, but the conversation is pretty moot -- no one is contending what the upgrades are.
Really? Because the only point I was making is that it is an average upgrade with no additional cost to the consumer and suddenly people are all offended. I guess I understand. People get sensitive and feel the need to justify their purchases even when nobody is bashing it.
However, when there's a negative context (which you may not be aware of, that's fair), people will call it out and start asking questions.
What is "negative context" can be quite subjective. Especially when the original post that sparked this conversation was about how this is just an average upgrade. Saying "average upgrade" could be seen as positive or negative depending on the person. Negative person: ZOMG HE SAID MY PHONE IS NOTHING SPECIAL!!! Positive person: Alright, decent hardware bump at the same price as last year, totes buying it!
Don't pretend like this is all going over our heads or something -- maybe you're not aware of your own words? Is that possible? Just throwing it out there.
Maybe
you're not aware of my words?
Straus, now that I think about it, isn't the G2 the better suited phone for you? Less bezel, that extra .25" screen dedicated to the soft keys, huge battery...? Just curious, why are you getting the N5 instead? Stock Android?
Stock Android, side buttons, developer community, updates, cheaper, better value, and a slightly less asymmetrical design vertically speaking (at least from the pictures). That and 5.2" is too big for my taste. 5" is pushing it.
