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Here you go again missing the main point. It is an upgrade with nothing mind blowing or earth shattering at the same price point to the consumer. I am not debating the minuscule level of upgrade here. I am saying it isn't an "S" upgrade, but it isn't mind blowingly innovative, but in the middle. If you want to try and cherry pick little details that are not part of my overarching argument, go right ahead. And maybe you missed this part of my last post:



Overall, my point is that there is nothing crazy about this upgrade. But it is good that they kept it at the same price point, which, again, is pretty standard these days.

I think you are missing your own point, lol.

Define:
Average update
Decent update
Mind blowing update
Earth shattering update

See, you keep using these nonsensical terms to make your point, but a point made with nonsense is, well...

I'm still curious for your terms to be defined. Pick one feature for any smartphone over the years and put it into each definition category so we have an idea what you are talking about.

PS: Yeah I've been tongue in cheek this entire time, I couldn't resist. I think the morale of the story is an opinion is an opinion, and everyone's opinion is different.
 
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The temptation is becoming more and more of a b*tch each time I read about this phone. What I'll miss most is the camera of the S4. But I really.... REALLY want 4.4, that battery life and the instant OS updates. Ugh.

Well the GPE S4 will have 4.4 soon enough
 
Wait... What? Sure, 32 bit is still offered, but that software is for legacy machines that are marginal on the specs. Not sure what machines you can buy today that only offer 2gb of RAM, but there aren't many. Even $350 laptops and desktops come with a minimum of 4gb and run 64bit.

64bit is the only way to move forward if the intention is to merge mobile and desktop environments, even at the most basic levels. I think Apple didn't need to do it now, as we are still a couple years off, but it isn't going to hurt by doing it now either. I have a feeling all OEM's will be moving to 64bit in 2014, at least in their flagship phones. People will say they are copying Apple, but in reality, this would have been implemented no matter what. Apple just did it first.


Microsoft has already done this with the clovertrail and bay trail tablets. Clover trail was 64bit but the tablets shipped with 32bit windows.

I do agree that everyone will move to 64bit simply because armv8 which is rolling out now is 64bit.
 
Nexus 5 case got in today. Looks slightly larger, but nothing too crazy. Hopefully the case will fit the phone properly!

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I think you are missing your own point, lol.

Define:
Average update
Decent update
Mind blowing update
Earth shattering update

See, you keep using these nonsensical terms to make your point, but a point made with nonsense is, well...

I'm still curious for your terms to be defined. Pick one feature for any smartphone over the years and put it into each definition category so we have an idea what you are talking about.

Funny, you seem to be the only one having a difficult time knowing the difference between a small spec bump and a huge phone upgrade.
 
That's a shame. Android's still Android. If Google can finally eliminate this, I'd highly consider getting myself an N5 and N10, especially now that Apple's just going insane with their pricing in Australia.

You might be interested in this. Around the 4 minute mark he demonstrates the scrolling touch response is closer and better now.

Those marginal milliseconds of difference becoming even more negligible:

 
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Nexus 5 case got in today. Looks slightly larger, but nothing too crazy. Hopefully the case will fit the phone properly!

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Funny, you seem to be the only one having a difficult time knowing the difference between a small spec bump and a huge phone upgrade.

Please enlighten me oh wise one, what is specifically the difference between a small spec bump and a huge phone upgrade?

Define:
Average upgrade
Decent upgrade
Mind blowing upgrade
Earth shattering upgrade

and now 2 new ones you introduced:
small spec bump
huge phone upgrade

jeez I can't keep up, I didn't know there were so many upgrade levels.
 
Please enlighten me oh wise one, what is specifically the difference between a small spec bump and a huge phone upgrade?
Couch, gotluck, and myself have all come to an understanding. This phone is a decent upgrade that comes at the same price point as last year. You are the only one still trying to debate this. With so many people already in agreement, if you are going to try and argue your point, you are the one who needs to tell me why it doesn't fit in the average upgrade category. You are now the odd man out, yet you have no basis for your argument.

Out of curiosity, what case is that?

http://www.amazon.com/SPIGEN-Google...383423695&sr=8-4&keywords=spigen+nexus+5+case
I was hesitant because some reviews said it did not fit perfectly snug. But I really like the look and am willing to take my chances. I can always send it back if need be.
 
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Funny, you seem to be the only one having a difficult time knowing the difference between a small spec bump and a huge phone upgrade.

Asking you to define and clarify your points, I don't think, is out of this realm. I don't think he's the only one -- others just gave up.

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So I have read peoples first impressions of this phone after their unboxing. It seems everyone is happy with battery and camera. I have heard it at least 3 or 4 times. That this is the best smartphone right now. Everyone is saying it is such an upgrade from the N4. And that Google did a great job on the phone. The only place I have seen negative first impressions is The verge. I really believe this thing has a ton of promise. Couch I believe you are going to want this phone.


I think so too, but it wouldn't hurt to see some official reviews, impressions from others here, and to let the bugs/issues, if any, get worked out in the first wave or two.

And since HTC has promised Kit Kat is coming to the Developer's Edition within 30 days, I'm in no terrible rush to upgrade.

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Couch, gotluck, and myself have all come to an understanding.

To be perfectly honest, it's simply too exhausting talking to you. You can call that an understanding if you want. :)
 
Asking you to define and clarify your points, I don't think, is out of this realm. I don't think he's the only one -- others just gave up.
People have been understanding what I have said multiple times, but they just feel the need to change the topic to try and argue, like tacking on discussion or price or value, which I have not debated. Is it a good value? Yes. Have I been debating that point at all? No.

These specs have been known for a long time, and, if the pattern is that smartphones are "averaging" out per 2013 standards, why are you disappointed? Doesn't that mean everything is more or less on point?

Yes the upgrades are similar in quality

Most upgrades by all vendors in various technology products are along the same lines.

I don't see why people keep missing the simple fact that it is a decent upgrade in the same price point, just like the GS4. Nothing mind blowing here. Why are people not getting that?
 
Couch, gotluck, and myself have all come to an understanding. This phone is a decent upgrade that comes at the same price point as last year. You are the only one still trying to debate this. With so many people already in agreement, if you are going to try and argue your point, you are the one who needs to tell me why it doesn't fit in the average upgrade category. You are now the odd man out, yet you have no basis for your argument.

Sure, although I've already argued some of these points, I'm assuming you didn't have your glasses on, or failed to read my posts. I do like that you copped out of answering by putting the spotlight on me, classic stuff man.

Let me quantify that these upgrades are HUGE for myself and the way I use my phone, part of my entire point is how valuable an upgrade is depends on the user and what they need. I can go into each usage scenario and tell you why they are great upgrades for me if you require that information.

Battery life, a couple of hours more of talk time is huge for me.
Storage size, huge, 16gb just isn't enough for me
LTE, I think this one is universally huge, but that's my opinion
touchless google now, huge once again from someone who misses Siri
Gorilla glass 2 to 3, manufacturer claims 3x durability
snapdragon quad @ 1.5ghz with adreno 320 vs. snapdragon quad @ 2.3ghz with adreno 330
Hall effect presumably to be used for magnetic covers
Bluetooth 4.0 low energy, I use Bluetooth a LOT.

I've mentioned many of these things before though, so not much new there in my train of thought.

Once again, since you keep dodging the question, and since I answered your question:

Define:
Average upgrade
Decent upgrade
Mind blowing upgrade
Earth shattering upgrade
Small spec bump
Huge upgrade

Odd man out back to you my friend, although I don't think it ever left you.
 
Battery life, a couple of hours more of talk time is huge for me.
I hope you aren't making the assumption that the rated battery life is what real world usage will be. We are still not sure how much better it will be. But either way, slight battery bump is nothing crazy. Battery bumps are in the average catergory. Look at the 5s.

Storage size, huge, 16gb just isn't enough for me
Upgrade to 32GB is nice, but not major. Something they should have done a while ago. With the 4 to the 4S they offered a 64GB option, obviously twice as much as the 32 in the Nexus 5. Still, nothing major.

LTE, I think this one is universally huge, but that's my opinion
Google playing catchup. Still far from mind blowing or earth shattering.

touchless google now, huge once again from someone who misses Siri
Except you can't do it with the screen off or in another app. And we don't know yet if you can do it if you use other launchers. Not to mention we are not sure yet if Google has fixed the problem where many actions still require touch input. Definitely wouldn't consider this huge considering there are so many unknowns. But you seem to like making assumptions.

Gorilla glass 2 to 3, manufacturer claims 3x durability
Another example of a flagship moving to the standards of its time. Nexus 4 had GG 2. Nexus 5 has GG3.

snapdragon quad @ 1.5ghz with adreno 320 vs. snapdragon quad @ 2.3ghz with
adreno 330
Still moving to the standards of its time.

Hall effect presumably to be used for magnetic covers
This will be cool, no argument there. But does this tip the scale into making it an earth shattering upgrade? No.

Bluetooth 4.0 low energy, I use Bluetooth a LOT.
Playing catchup again.



Once again, since you keep dodging the question, and since I answered your question:

Define:
Average upgrade
Decent upgrade
Mind blowing upgrade
Earth shattering upgrade
Small spec bump
Huge upgrade
Responses in terms of how this is an average upgrade are above.

Now for my responses on what would have made this a mindblowing/earth shattering upgrade:
Waterproof and dustproof
3000+ mAh battery
OIS is nice, but would have liked to see a wider aperture and maybe even a 13mp sensor
IR Blaster now that stock Android supports it

Would these things have brought the price up? Yes. Did I ever say they wouldn't? No. Doing so while keeping the price the same definitely would have been mind blowing. But they didn't include those. Everything they included was either expected, playing catchup, or just moving to the standards of its time.
 
Asking you to define and clarify your points, I don't think, is out of this realm. I don't think he's the only one -- others just gave up.

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I think so too, but it wouldn't hurt to see some official reviews, impressions from others here, and to let the bugs/issues, if any, get worked out in the first wave or two.

And since HTC has promised Kit Kat is coming to the Developer's Edition within 30 days, I'm in no terrible rush to upgrade.

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To be perfectly honest, it's simply too exhausting talking to you. You can call that an understanding if you want. :)

Well I will let you know what I think when I get mine. From what I have seen on the XDA forums people are getting close to 5 hours screen on time. Which is great. I think we can say Strausd was way off with is predictions for the battery.

It seems the camera is not bad at all either. Should be good enough to make you happy.
 
Sure, although I've already argued some of these points, I'm assuming you didn't have your glasses on, or failed to read my posts. I do like that you copped out of answering by putting the spotlight on me, classic stuff man.

Let me quantify that these upgrades are HUGE for myself and the way I use my phone, part of my entire point is how valuable an upgrade is depends on the user and what they need. I can go into each usage scenario and tell you why they are great upgrades for me if you require that information.

Battery life, a couple of hours more of talk time is huge for me.
Storage size, huge, 16gb just isn't enough for me
LTE, I think this one is universally huge, but that's my opinion
touchless google now, huge once again from someone who misses Siri
Gorilla glass 2 to 3, manufacturer claims 3x durability
snapdragon quad @ 1.5ghz with adreno 320 vs. snapdragon quad @ 2.3ghz with adreno 330
Hall effect presumably to be used for magnetic covers
Bluetooth 4.0 low energy, I use Bluetooth a LOT.

I've mentioned many of these things before though, so not much new there in my train of thought.

Once again, since you keep dodging the question, and since I answered your question:

Define:
Average upgrade
Decent upgrade
Mind blowing upgrade
Earth shattering upgrade
Small spec bump
Huge upgrade

Odd man out back to you my friend, although I don't think it ever left you.
You forgot KitKat. No other device has it......
 

Thats great. Very excited to get mine. Sound quality was noticeably worse. Front facing camera isn't a big deal to me. And there should definitely be a setting to enable touch to focus in video without having to use a different app.

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You forgot a new unreleased mobile OS KitKat. No other device has it......

Also expected and will be coming to the Nexus 4.

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I think we can say Strausd was way off with is predictions for the battery.
And where exactly did I say it wouldn't get 5 hours of SOT? I was actually quite optimistic about the Nexus 5 battery in some situations. Some things made me think positively, some negatively. But I never said anything definitively.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1632159/
 
Doesn't need anything for AT&T. Pop in sim and go.

As for Verizon they made their bed with the GNex.

Yeah. Don't see any reason why you would want to lock yourself into a 2 year contract when when you can purchase it cheap and unlocked through Google.
 
I hope you aren't making the assumption that the rated battery life is what real world usage will be. We are still not sure how much better it will be. But either way, slight battery bump is nothing crazy. Battery bumps are in the average catergory. Look at the 5s.


Upgrade to 32GB is nice, but not major. Something they should have done a while ago. With the 4 to the 4S they offered a 64GB option, obviously twice as much as the 32 in the Nexus 5. Still, nothing major.


Google playing catchup. Still far from mind blowing or earth shattering.


Except you can't do it with the screen off or in another app. And we don't know yet if you can do it if you use other launchers. Not to mention we are not sure yet if Google has fixed the problem where many actions still require touch input. Definitely wouldn't consider this huge considering there are so many unknowns. But you seem to like making assumptions.


Another example of a flagship moving to the standards of its time. Nexus 4 had GG 2. Nexus 5 has GG3.


Still moving to the standards of its time.


This will be cool, no argument there. But does this tip the scale into making it an earth shattering upgrade? No.


Playing catchup again.




Responses in terms of how this is an average upgrade are above.

Now for my responses on what would have made this a mindblowing/earth shattering upgrade:
Waterproof and dustproof
3000+ mAh battery
OIS is nice, but would have liked to see a wider aperture and maybe even a 13mp sensor
IR Blaster now that stock Android supports it

Would these things have brought the price up? Yes. Did I ever say they wouldn't? No. Doing so while keeping the price the same definitely would have been mind blowing. But they didn't include those. Everything they included was either expected, playing catchup, or just moving to the standards of its time.

It seems you are missing my point. Those upgrades are HUGE for me. Your stated upgrades would have been huge for YOU if they were included.

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You forgot KitKat. No other device has it......

Yep for sure, that's why I mentioned the touchless google now activation. That's pretty huge for me as I drive a ton and have my phone on the car cradle and on, so to be able to just say OK Google is really an advantage for me.
 
Thats great. Very excited to get mine. Sound quality was noticeably worse. Front facing camera isn't a big deal to me. And there should definitely be a setting to enable touch to focus in video without having to use a different app.

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Also expected and will be coming to the Nexus 4.

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And where exactly did I say it wouldn't get 5 hours of SOT? I was actually quite optimistic about the Nexus 5 battery in some situations. Some things made me think positively, some negatively. But I never said anything definitively.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1632159/

Alright Strausd whatever you say. You talk about how you though because of the screen being so big it would cost battery life, and it would negate the snapdragon 800. It does not look like that is happening.
 
It seems you are missing my point. Those upgrades are HUGE for me. Your stated upgrades would have been huge for YOU if they were included.

Haha dude, a 3000+ mAh battery, 13mp camera with OIS, water proof, dust proof, and an IR blaster in addition to what is already in the Nexus 5 at the exact same price point would have been huge for everyone.

That is where we differ. For a phone to be a huge upgrade, it needs to be so huge that nearly everyone goes "WOW THATS AWESOME!" If only a couple people say "ya, for me it is a big upgrade, but I know it won't be for everyone else." Then it isn't big enough for me to warrant using the word "huge" or "big."



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Alright Strausd whatever you say. You talk about how you though because of the screen being so big it would cost battery life, and it would negate the snapdragon 800. It does not look like that is happening.

Go back. I said it could cancel out battery savings from other components. Do you know what it means to not speak definitively?
 
Yeah. Don't see any reason why you would want to lock yourself into a 2 year contract when when you can purchase it cheap and unlocked through Google.

It's worth repeating. There is no reason to sign a contract for such an inexpensive device, especially when speaking of GSM service.

Save your subsidy for big priced items like iPhones, Notes, Galaxy etc etc.
 
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