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Haha dude, a 3000+ mAh battery, 13mp camera with OIS, water proof, dust proof, and an IR blaster in addition to what is already in the Nexus 5 at the exact same price point would have been huge for everyone.

Yeah that would have been sweet. A toilet paper holder, jigsaw attachment, M-16 capability, inflatability to a lifeboat capability, etc etc would have been nice to have at $349 as well, wtf were they thinking?!?!
 
Haha dude, a 3000+ mAh battery, 13mp camera with OIS, water proof, dust proof, and an IR blaster in addition to what is already in the Nexus 5 at the exact same price point would have been huge for everyone.

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Go back. I said it could cancel out battery savings from other components. Do you know what it means to not speak definitively?

Whatever. You argued your point that it would cost the battery. Whether you were definitive or not. You went post after post. On and on about how you thought it would not be that good. I am not saying you said it would be for sure. Cause guess what. None of us knew, but now we do, and I am saying your predictions were wrong. Its fine. It happens some times whether you want to admit you were wrong or not.
 
Whatever. You argued your point that it would cost the battery. Whether you were definitive or not. You went post after post. On and on about how you thought it would not be that good. I am not saying you said it would be for sure. Cause guess what. None of us knew, but now we do, and I am saying your predictions were wrong. Its fine. It happens some times whether you want to admit you were wrong or not.
Keep telling yourself that. Sorry you don't know the difference between "does" and "could."

By the way, remember when you said the Nexus phones are all mid-end phones that aren't flagships? You still gonna try and back that up?

Woot, you recognized sarcasm, hehe very good.
Backtracking and now trying to save face? Nice.

Your response had some straw man tactics to it as well, it's unrealistic to expect those upgrades at $349.
You saying I was using straw man tacticts because it was unrealistic to expect those things at 350? Did you completely miss where I said that it would raise the price?

And yet, you continue to miss my point.
I have gotten everyone one of your "points." You have yet to understand the simplest one that started this all.
 
Haha dude, a 3000+ mAh battery, 13mp camera with OIS, water proof, dust proof, and an IR blaster in addition to what is already in the Nexus 5 at the exact same price point would have been huge for everyone.

That is where we differ. For a phone to be a huge upgrade, it needs to be so huge that nearly everyone goes "WOW THATS AWESOME!" If only a couple people say "ya, for me it is a big upgrade, but I know it won't be for everyone else." Then it isn't big enough for me to warrant using the word "huge" or "big."

Using your definitions, I don't see how any phone could be a huge upgrade. I can't think of any phone that ever made a huge leap from one year to the next. I consider the Nexus 5 to be a huge upgrade because it meets every single criteria, at least on paper, that I want. There isn't another Android phone I'm even interested in.

Being critical of devices you like is one thing, but downplaying how big of an upgrade the Nexus 5 and 4.4 is just because it didn't meet some people's unrealistic expectations is just being difficult for the sake of being difficult.
 
You saying I was using straw man tacticts because it was unrealistic to expect those things at 350? Did you completely miss where I said that it would raise the price?


I have gotten everyone one of your "points." You have yet to understand the simplest one that started this all.

Oh, it's unrealistic to expect those upgrades at 350? So why bring them up as valid upgrades. By that same token I could say I want a 5000mah battery, 23m camera, etc etc. Backtracking and now trying to save face? Nice.

And yet you continue to miss my point.

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Using your definitions, I don't see how any phone could be a huge upgrade. I can't think of any phone that ever made a huge leap from one year to the next. I consider the Nexus 5 to be a huge upgrade because it meets every single criteria, at least on paper, that I want. There isn't another Android phone I'm even interested in.

Being critical of devices you like is one thing, but downplaying how big of an upgrade the Nexus 5 and 4.4 is just because it didn't meet some people's unrealistic expectations is just being difficult for the sake of being difficult.

That was one of my points from the beginning of the discussion. What "huge" upgrade have we really seen in smartphone history. There have been a few in MY opinion, such as the app store for example, but I don't know if I'd categorize that in relation to phone hardware.
 
What "huge" upgrade have we really seen in smartphone history. There have been a few in MY opinion, such as the app store for example, but I don't know if I'd categorize that in relation to phone hardware.

Exactly. There are very few. The Nexus 5 is not one of them. What is so hard to understand?

And who said we are limiting this to hardware?
 
It met my realistic expectations, thus why I bought it right away and am very excited about it.


You asked for my definition of mind blowing and earth shattering. Maybe you missed that too. There seems to be a lot you miss.

Yep, but those are YOUR definitions. My point in a nutshell. I think your glasses are around there somewhere if you keep looking.
 
Exactly. There are very few. The Nexus 5 is not one of them. What is so hard to understand?

And who said we are limiting this to hardware?

That only weakens your argument further and solidifies my point. It's not hard for me to understand as this is what I've said from the beginning of the discussion, it seems you are just realizing it.

As for limiting it to hardware, no we don't have to, but then you should accept my point about the cheaper price being a "huge" upgrade.
 
What "huge" upgrade have we really seen in smartphone history. There have been a few in MY opinion

According to you the Nexus 5 is one of them.

Let me quantify that these upgrades are HUGE for myself and the way I use my phone


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That only weakens your argument further and solidifies my point. It's not hard for me to understand as this is what I've said from the beginning of the discussion, it seems you are just realizing it.

As for limiting it to hardware, no we don't have to, but then you should accept my point about the cheaper price being a "huge" upgrade.

Haha not even the slightest. It shows that I was right from the very beginning and you are just now realizing that huge upgrades are rare.
 
According to you the Nexus 5 is one of them.



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Haha not even the slightest. It shows that I was right from the very beginning and you are just now realizing that huge upgrades are rare.

That's individual and up to each user to decide. You were always right for yourself, I've said that several times, but not necessarily for anyone else, but I didn't say either way. Once again, opinion and a users way they use their phone and what they consider important to themselves. I don't think you were ever wrong, just trying to apply your own opinion and how you use your phone to the rest of us. I don't think I was right either, just relating how some of the upgrades were huge to me.

Atta boy, you're almost there.
 
Nexus 5 case got in today. Looks slightly larger, but nothing too crazy. Hopefully the case will fit the phone properly!

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Funny, you seem to be the only one having a difficult time knowing the difference between a small spec bump and a huge phone upgrade.

Sweet! I ordered the same case!
 
Funny. I said this:



And you agreed:


So you agreed to my definition where I said it would be sweet for everyone. Now you are going back on it. Typical spinedoc. You never change.

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Almooooost there, so so close...

The N5 has features which are huge upgrades to the way I use my phone. You seem to think it offers only "average" or "decent" or "minor spec bumps" type upgrades, however you define those. You kept pushing the N5 as having only those average upgrades because they didn't have specs which were unrealistic at $349. Nothing that I went back on, it's been my entire point this entire time. Just because the N5 doesn't have those unrealistic upgrades you would like does not mean it's not a huge upgrade, maybe not for you though which is OK.
 
That's a pretty awful markup for 16GB model. But there is that instant gratification.

Yeah, could get it next week instead of it SHIPPING in 3-4 weeks. And I'd end up saving $61 out of pocket. BUT, if I have a problem with the device after the 15 days it would suck to have to send it to LG and be without a phone. Decisions. I think I'm still going to just wait. I can use my best buy gift on an iPad mini retina. This iPad "Air" is still big and heavy. Oops off topic.
 
Good for you. You were off with your thoughts or whatever you want to call them. You were talking more about the battery being bad then it being good. How ever you want to put it. Your first thoughts were wrong. Its cool everyone else knows what I am talking about.

Really? Is that why I made an entire thread dedication to how I think the Nexus 5 battery could be decent?

The N5 has features which are huge upgrades to the way I use my phone.
Then according to you, you can never making any sort of overarching statement about a phone being huge unless you clarify it as your personal opinion. And earlier, you did exactly that, made an overarching statement about how very few upgrades are huge in a way that makes you seem as if you are speaking for everyone. Which according to you is something you cannot do.

So now you either have to admit that every phone upgrade can be seen as huge and at the same time boring, or admit that there are some cases where in a more objective way, a phone is either a big, small, or medium upgrade. Make your pick.

And is the Nexus 5 one of those rare huge upgrades? Because if what you listed constitutes as a huge upgrade, there are way more than a few that would then, by your standards at least, be considered huge. In which case it would invalidate your earlier post about it being rare.

You seem to think it offers only "average" or "decent" or "minor spec bumps" type upgrades, however you define those.
And you seem to think this is some "huge" upgrade, however you define that.

You kept pushing the N5 as having only those average upgrades because they didn't have specs which were unrealistic at $349
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Wrong. I said that even if they increased the price and had a bigger battery and better camera, it would make it into my big category. But you must have missed that. Surprise?

Nothing that I went back on, it's been my entire point this entire time.
And here you are still avoiding my first point.

Just because the N5 doesn't have those unrealistic upgrades you would like does not mean it's not a huge upgrade, maybe not for you though which is OK.
Bigger battery and better camera are not unrealistic. If you think they are, that speaks wonders about your "standards."

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Don't have to read it do you?

You say that like you'e not involved. HAHAHAHA
 
As each review comes in, the Nexus 5 is becoming a bigger upgrade everyday. It seems to have gotten all the things right that let the N4 down and too me that is huge!!. You have pure google on a nice 5" screen with great colours ect, a competitive camera, great phone call quality, great battery life, LTE, The fastest processor available that Google could use, Extra storage and a better design with the soft touch back. Then you throw in the low price and its enough to make me go wow, thats awesome. To each thier own i guess.
 
One of the most attractive features is the price. I'd rather wait it out through google play than pay $100 more for the same device. You could buy a charging pad, some cases, and screen protectors with that extra money.

Agreed!! I came to that conclusion after talking it out with myself a few posts up lol
 
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