onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
You spend one night out on the town and you miss so much news. I'm just catching up with the thread, and this is the best thing I've read.
Hope it turns out to be true. Screw you, Moto X! lol.
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You spend one night out on the town and you miss so much news. I'm just catching up with the thread, and this is the best thing I've read.
Hope it turns out to be true. Screw you, Moto X! lol.
It might not be LANDMARK but its in the Nexus 5..That has to count for something..What you are seeing is latest technology packaged into established phones on an annual basis..This is what is happening with all major OEM's..If you are a nexus user, you'll get the latest and greatest in chip performance, screen resolution, and software...Same thing with the Iphone family, you get the latest of what apple has been working on an annual basis. Touch ID is one feature that is a bit innovative but everything else is boring old incremental (as things usually happen with PC"s, TV's etc)....I hate it when people critisize OEMs for not being innovative when the INNOVATION they are looking for will probably not come from the device that they use to do essentially the same thing every year (Use apps, call, text, surf)....Innovation is pretty much DONE as far as cell phones are concerned, perhaps we'll see some breakthrough in capability with the galaxy s5 or iphone 6 but i wont bet on it...You'll see plenty of innovation from google glass, iWatch and other products but from cell phones? They'll just keep doing what they do .. Just better
onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
There's a lot here to take in, but I think I agree with most of it.
The only thing I'd add is that... the difference between Android and iOS is that if something hardware-wise is missing in an Android phone, it's not as big of a deal as something missing hardware-wise in an iOS phone.
Why? Simply because Android OEMs have their grounds more covered. So, for example, when the iPhone doesn't offer something that someone might want, they're more or less stuck waiting for Apple to add it (if ever) if they want to remain on iOS.
However, if something is missing hardware wise in an Android device, they can likely find it somewhere else. Choices aren't always easy to make, of course, but better choice(s) than none.
Just wanted to add that to an otherwise agreeable post (I think! Kind of hard to read your single paragraph post 😛).
blackhand1001
macrumors 68030
What about the fact that its the first phone (mainstream) under 5 inches with a snapdragon 800? Everything else has a snapdragon 600.
daveathall
macrumors 68020
I just can't see how a phone with a different shape, larger screen with a bigger pixel density and higher resolution and upgraded glass, made from a different material, feels different in the hand, comes with a brand new OS, has a faster, different processor, comes with the option of larger storage at a reasonable price, is lighter and thinner, has a bigger battery, has optical stabilisation added to the camera and now supports LTE cannot be classed as a big upgrade over it's predecessor. I just can't.
It just beggars belief. IMO, this is much, much more than an "S" upgrade.
Some members here say "put a larger screen on an iPhone for a big upgrade", yet this has, among other things a larger screen, where on earth is the consistency?
It has nothing whatsoever to do with what is on other phones, the upgrade is from a Nexus 4 to a Nexus 5, just because other phones already have some of the features just released on the N5 doesn't mean it's not an upgrade. That is just being silly. If we have a frying pan that always sticks and my wife wants to upgrade to a pan from the same maker with non stick coating, is that an upgrade? Some on this debate would not see it as such because that feature is already available on other pans, but how can one claim it is not an upgrade? A silly analogy, I know, but it seems that it needs to be brought down to a simple level for some to understand/or not.
It just beggars belief. IMO, this is much, much more than an "S" upgrade.
Some members here say "put a larger screen on an iPhone for a big upgrade", yet this has, among other things a larger screen, where on earth is the consistency?
It has nothing whatsoever to do with what is on other phones, the upgrade is from a Nexus 4 to a Nexus 5, just because other phones already have some of the features just released on the N5 doesn't mean it's not an upgrade. That is just being silly. If we have a frying pan that always sticks and my wife wants to upgrade to a pan from the same maker with non stick coating, is that an upgrade? Some on this debate would not see it as such because that feature is already available on other pans, but how can one claim it is not an upgrade? A silly analogy, I know, but it seems that it needs to be brought down to a simple level for some to understand/or not.
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onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
Dang, the year I decide not to jump onboard the Nexus phone early, and all the initial buzz and impressions are pretty good.
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onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
Easily bigger than an S upgrade. In fact, an S upgrade isn't comparable.
It'd be more apt to compare the Nexus 5 upgrades (and the S3-to-S4, for that matter) to the iPhone 4 to 5 upgrade, where Apple also changed the screen size, changed the design, etc. etc.
F123D
macrumors 68040
If you had ordered, all these reviews and first impressions would've ended up being bad. That's just how it works. 😛
onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
There rarely is consistency between two different communities that use entirely different ecosystems.
onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
I actually agree the iPhone 6 with a larger screen is a big deal because the dedicated iPhone community has never seen a larger screen.
But if you want to be consistent, then you must recognize why the dedicated Nexus community might consider LTE a big deal, in that they've never had LTE in the Nexus 4 or any previous Nexus.
If you want to go further and say that other devices have LTE (which is true), then to be consistent, you must also then open up that other devices have larger screens.
But if you want to be consistent, then you must recognize why the dedicated Nexus community might consider LTE a big deal, in that they've never had LTE in the Nexus 4 or any previous Nexus.
If you want to go further and say that other devices have LTE (which is true), then to be consistent, you must also then open up that other devices have larger screens.
Some Galaxy Nexus variants support LTE. It is definitely not as if Nexus and LTE have been strangers until a few days ago.
And a flagship device in late 2012 that didn't support LTE was kind of a bummer. So LTE for the Nexus 5 was sort of a given.
onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
Once. And only .5". And not even larger width wise.
The Android community sees screen sizes change all the time.
It isn't a bummer to many people in the respective community.
As I am sure you are aware, many iOS users blindly follow what Apple tells them. Apple tells them 4" is the perfect size, many follow along and don't question. And many iOS users are not super tech savvy. I'd wage a healthy portion are perfectly happy with their 4" iPhone.
onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
And how impactful was the Galaxy Nexus variant that had LTE?
Furthermore, why would you deem adding Touchless Voice Activation (ala Moto X) a "big" update if you're willing to say a Galaxy Nexus variant that had LTE is the reason LTE isn't that big of an update to the Nexus 5?
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I agree with diversity with android. Thats just a product of the google business model. At the end of the day most folks stick to the platform they love and would like to use and phone replacement cycles on the whole have more to do with contract terms and conditions etc ( In the US that is)
I am a long time iphone user, and would have lapped on the nexus 5 had it been available earlier (as my second device)..Hardware, features, specs etc are all well and good however, i do feel that the future would be more about software capability than pure hardware. IOS 8 vs Android 5.0 would be more relevant a comparison than GS5 vs IP6..The sort of innovation we would like would probably come from interoperability between devices and other technology that we usually surround ourselves with (TV, appliances, cars, etc etc)..
Who said it was impactful? I was just correcting you when you said no "previous Nexus" has had LTE.
onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
Okay, and all I was saying was the iPhones have had larger screens before.
Also, I added to my post:
So let me get this right. You can say the iPhone 6 is a big deal adding a larger screen even though I've pointed out it has already once added a larger screen (which you downplayed cause it only happened once)
but I can't say LTE is a big deal because you say a variant of the Galaxy Nexus had LTE, and so if I ask what the impact of that is, it's irrelevant. You're just correcting me.
Again, then, I'm merely correcting you about the larger iPhone screen.
You beginning to see why you need to start reflecting? Why others don't think you're keeping with the definition of "consistency"?
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Heh, the further you go with this, Straus, the further you unravel. It's a shame you don't see it.
Vegastouch
macrumors 603
Is stubborn a better word? It would apply the same way.
And none of these phones have been mindblowing. Now it has to be mindblowing? Its still a big upgrade from itself whether you think so or not. But Apple adding a bigger screen is a big deal? Talk about catching up. Thats all they will be doing from here on out.
Great posts so far on battery! Looks like its on screen time isn't far behind g2. Impressive!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506856&page=17
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506856&page=17
When did I say the inclusion of touchless activation made the Nexus 5 a big update? Answer: I didn't.
If you go back, I simply stated that the inclusion of such a feature would constitute as a big update in my book. I realize I should have clarified a little more as people around here typically like to jump the gun, but I was talking in reference to Google Now. That feature is a big update to Google Now and Google Now alone. Yes, the Nexus 5 will have that feature. But Google Now and the Nexus 5 are separate. Just because Google Now gets a new big feature doesn't make the jump from the Nexus 4 to Nexus 5 overall a big update.
You are completely ignoring the importance of community response, which I have consistently brought up. You have also consistently ignored.
Would a jump from 4" to 4.8" constitute as a big update to Android users? No, because they are accustomed to those screen sizes. Would it be a big update to iOS users? Much more likely as they are not accustomed to those screen sizes.
Does the inclusion of LTE constitue as a big update on the Nexus line? No, because Android users are already accustomed to seeing LTE on just about every phone. Was the inclusion of LTE a big update on the iPhone 5? In my opinion, only sort of. Yes in the sense that they weren't accustomed to it, but no in the sense that it was a long time coming.
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Vegastouch
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Isnt this the same thing ive been saying as far as the Nexus line is concerned? And many, many iPhone users have used or have an Android so i cant agree with you saying they arent used to it.
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Using a friends phone for a short moment is different from being used to your own phone with a different screen size. If I go over to my friends house and use Linux for an hour, does that constitute as me being used to it? No.
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