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Sucks no other iPhones get this feature. Darn Apple not giving the X series hardware to support this feature. I still think the 11 Pros are what should have come out last year. I think sales for the iPhone 11 Pro would have been many times more than the Xs series.
Apple could have had a HUGE Q4 for 2018, compared to the not so big one that they got.

Why do you think this night mode needs special hardware when the google camera app with night sight can be installed on Samsung phones and use the night sight feature with no problems.
 
That is exactly what software tweaking is... The default camera refuses to allow extra light. For example:- You cannot alter ISO or Speed. However, by using ‘software’ via another App you can then improve the shot.
As such what we see in the photo of the model is not necessarily down to the improvements from the iPhone 11 Pro, it is more likely a ‘software tweak’ that has allowed it.... which is exactly what my two photo examples were doing.

Your logic doesn’t follow. Just because it is possible to edit one image in software does not mean that a completely different image WAS edited in software.

Moreover, you don’t seem to understand how the new cameras work. Or for that matter how existing cameras work. heck, I can take any photo taken on my sony a7s in the dark, take the .raw photo into photoshop, and set the black point so that it looks like near daylight. That isn’t software “tweaking.” That’s just taking the information that was already in the photo and making it visible by “developing” the image and mapping the higher precision .raw pixel values into the color map I choose.

The fact that I can do that, though, doesn’t mean the shot referred to in this thread had that done. More likely the cameras on the iphone take multiple shots with multiple cameras over a brief period of time, map them from shot to shot to compensate for parallax/focal length differences and for motion, sum up the values for each target pixel, and there you go. Effectively it is like increasing the .iso by many times by combining multiple images, while avoiding the noise issues that would otherwise occur. Alternatively you can think of it like de-blurring a long exposure, but that is a less accurate metaphor because the light capture is not continuous, and because actually doing that would be much harder.
 
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I do and here’s why as I mentioned earlier-

Once in a while I forget to charge my watch at night. I almost went to sleep with it on tonight. Or I’ll put it on my stand and it will stick to the magnet, but not be centered enough to charge. It’s rare, but it does happen. So I wake up with 20-40% on my watch which won’t make it near a full day for me.
There is always plenty of lightning Chargers where I’m at/places I work, but only one building I work in has someone with a watch charger.

so having the ability to give my watch that 10-20% I need to make it through the day would be awesome when I do need it. Whatever my phone drains, I can very easily charge it.


That’s me and my personal situation so that’s why I would like it. Others differ for different reasons
I have a Series 4 Watch. I charge mine fully before I go to bed (I'm charging it while I'm sleeping right now). I then sleep with it, and by the time I need to charge it the next night I rarely have less than 40% charge left. On the very rare occasions when I've forgotten to charge it or it fell off my charger while charging it at night, in 10-20 minutes Ive had no trouble charging it enough to get it through my work day.

Granted I have a Series 4 watch, and maybe your watch is a lot older (mine is a year old now) but my point is I almost never forget to charge it and the rare times I do forget, I don't have any trouble charging it enough to get it through the day. Now, granted as you admit, different people have different needs and usage patterns, but if this is such a big problem for you with the Apple Watch it seems like it would be a lot better (and cheaper) to either buy a new Apple Watch (or maybe just a new battery) if your battery is that poor, or just buy a spare Apple Watch charger than want to get a new iPhone so you can charge your watch the rare occasions you forget to charge it.

I just really have a hard time seeing where this function would be useful often enough for me to really care about having it. Maybe it would have been useful for the original Apple Watch which had barely adequate battery life, but there has never been a day I've had any trouble at all with the battery life on my Apple Watch 4.
 
Don’t be “that guy”. People want to live life. They want to capture moments. They don’t want to be oh let’s not take these pictures in a bar because they light is just not “quite right“. The whole smart phone camera revolution made it so those spur of the moment pictures look a thousands times better than they use to (I’m talking about every brand not just Apple). That’s a good thing.
I hate when people take pictures in bars...
 
Also, in the end, it’s still not going to stand up to any sort of inspection, like a DSLR photo. I bought the XS coolaid and the photos look good/slightly surreal but when you look closely they are pretty crappy lo res, high noise, social media fodder.

Unlike a 10 second evening landscape shot at 1.8 at 100 ISO on my fairly cheap DSLR.

That’s a very niche application. (And good luck with that 10-second exposure if there happen to be cars driving by with their headlights.)

I have over a dozen cameras. If I’m going to shoot an air show or wildlife, I’ll pull out the Canon body and 100-400mm lens, but well over 90% of the photos I take using the iPhone.

And there are some photos I can take *only* with the iPhone, because of limitations on where I can carry a camera or how I’m able to set it up.

It’s all about picking the right piece of hardware for a situation then knowing how to use it. Or, if you’re stuck with a particular piece of hardware, finding the appropriate situation to use it in.
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photography matters only if it is done in a professional way with traditional gear and if you’re getting paid for your services, otherwise it’s a waste of time.

It’s called a hobby.
 
There’s plenty of innovation in 2019, even if your personal definition of innovation needs tweaking innovating.;)

Ah like the 18W USB charger FINALLY being included with the higher end iPhone. What stopped Apple from including it last year or the year prior a “Pro” moniker. Don’t intoxicate yourself on the Kool-Aid ;)
 
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The android manufacturers havent figured wireless charging out either, they're just satisfied with sub par user experience when apple isn't.
Lol that's what Apple fans said 5 years straight until Apple added a subpar type of wireless charging for iphones. Why is Apple satisfied with sub par user experience when it comes to wireless charging your iphone? This seems to contradict what you said.
 
Ah like the 18W USB charger FINALLY being included with the higher end iPhone. What stopped Apple from including it last year or the year prior a “Pro” moniker. Don’t intoxicate yourself on the Kool-Aid ;)
Wow finally in the same tattered page.:rolleyes: If this post is your definition of innovation, who am I to argue? But I was thinking more of the new chips, for starters.
 
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Why? People want memories with their group of friends having a good time. Don't let someone else's good time negatively affect you emotionally. Relax and have a good time and stop worrying what other do. It's what bars are for.

As long as we’re giving each other advice, mine is this: Relax and enjoy yourself, and spend less time trying to create an event to document. If you want to remember the good time you had with friends, get those friends together again. It's not hard to recreate. If the most significant event you have to document is the night at the pub, then maybe you should get out more.
 
I can't believe how many people I saw who were upset that they weren't adding this for the XS. It's a lot of processing power!
Is it confirmed by Apple, that Night Mode is not coming to XS?
Surely A12 could handle it with few fractions of second more.
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Canadian model and Nomad Management Modeling Agency founder Coco Rocha recently tweeted a night time shot that compares performance between the iPhone 11 and the iPhone X.
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As long as we’re giving each other advice, mine is this: Relax and enjoy yourself, and spend less time trying to create an event to document. If you want to remember the good time you had with friends, get those friends together again. It's not hard to recreate. If the most significant event you have to document is the night at the pub, then maybe you should get out more.
We do have get togethers outside of bars as well and take photos. Why so bitter about people wanting photos at a bar while having a good time? Don't say you're not bitter because you stated you you hated it when people do it. People don't plan ahead to take photos at bars with friends. They are usually spontaneous acts.
 
Wow finally in the same tattered page.:rolleyes: If this post is your definition of innovation, who am I to argue? But I was thinking more of the new chips, for starters.

Apple has owned the silicone space for awhile, another year another speed, efficiency and battery boost. The issue is that majority of the Apps either third-party or by Apple does not utilize that silicone innovation. What Apple should be including as part and parcel is additional base storage and RAM (some reports claim more, unconfirmed). What difference in daily usage is the majority of average users going to notice from an A10 to an A12 or even A13. I have two separate iOS devices with an A10 and an A12 chip and guess what even the built-in Apple apps do not function any differently. For comparison both devices have 64GB storage utilizing about 50GB and both devices have 4GB RAM, both run iOS 12.

Silicone advancement is great however it is a diminishing return if the rest of the hardware is restricted or there is no suitable application to take advantage of presently. I am sure there will be some application available in 1-5 years, however by that time we may have an A14-18 chip.

People notice base storage, battery life and how many open applications can be open without hindering the UX, this is where RAM is important and the price. Making the iPhone 11 $50 USD cheaper is welcomed, however Apple can do more and to be frank it has been overdue since they have been holding back in other areas for years.
 
Still don't really get the idea of taking photos in the dark. Great photography requires great use of light. Not shooting pictures in a bar.

Most females out on the town with their girlfriends don't have have this in mind.

The answer you are looking for is basically within your question.

I gotta say, I thought this was more of the OBVIOUS why features, but some how, people here have found a way to complain about dark mode on a camera? - If it bothers you that people are having a good time taking pictures in bars, ... you honestly need help in my opinion.
 
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Apple has owned the silicone space for awhile, another year another speed, efficiency and battery boost. The issue is that majority of the Apps either third-party or by Apple does not utilize that silicone innovation. What Apple should be including as part and parcel is additional base storage and RAM (some reports claim more, unconfirmed). What difference in daily usage is the majority of average users going to notice from an A10 to an A12 or even A13. I have two separate iOS devices with an A10 and an A12 chip and guess what even the built-in Apple apps do not function any differently. For comparison both devices have 64GB storage utilizing about 50GB and both devices have 4GB RAM, both run iOS 12.

Silicone advancement is great however it is a diminishing return if the rest of the hardware is restricted or there is no suitable application to take advantage of presently. I am sure there will be some application available in 1-5 years, however by that time we may have an A14-18 chip.

People notice base storage, battery life and how many open applications can be open without hindering the UX, this is where RAM is important and the price. Making the iPhone 11 $50 USD cheaper is welcomed, however Apple can do more and to be frank it has been overdue since they have been holding back in other areas for years.
Tech-heads notice the specs, imo. People want the phone to advance in some ways and apple silicon helps that. Dynamic HDR and dynamic HDR in videos are two examples. They may not care if there is an a12 or a13 under the covers, but it's what the phone does that counts.

Storage and ram are two components and I content, that the current configurations are tuned for the generation of iphone that is selling. People notice battery life, it has to be good enough for daily use. As far as the hardware supporting the UX, that really hasn't been a problem since the iphone 6s.

Apple, imo, doesn't hold back. It doesn't throw stuff into the phone until they believe it's ready for prime time.
 
We do have get togethers outside of bars as well and take photos. Why so bitter about people wanting photos at a bar while having a good time? Don't say you're not bitter because you stated you you hated it when people do it. People don't plan ahead to take photos at bars with friends. They are usually spontaneous acts.
I’m not sure you understand what bitter means, but for the most part you’ve been civil with your questions, so I’ll try to explain some of the reasons why people may not like people taking pictures in bars— and this isn’t an obscure opinion, it was one of the failure modes for Google Glass and different jurisdictions have taken actions to limit some of the downsides of ubiquitous connected digital photography.



So why do people not like cameras in bars?

Maybe it’s because when you record everything, you remember nothing. Pictures with the trophy, I get. Pictures in the bar after every game, I don’t. But to each their own.

Maybe it’s because I’m more of a photographer than a model and don’t particularly like being in front of a camera. My friends know that, you don’t, and you probably aren’t asking me before catching me in frame. It’s inconsiderate.

Maybe it’s because I think when I’m out with friends I should be focused on them in the moment and not on publishing the events of the day or on watching someone else’s evening. Drives me nuts when I’m hanging out with someone and they’re constantly taking pictures to share and then obsessing over the responses and watching everyone else’s feed.

You say everything is spontaneous, but I disagree— people act differently when they’re being recorded.

Maybe it’s because I don’t like the fact that my image, voice and words can be put into the public domain to be viewed, scanned, analyzed and cross referenced without my consent. I’m not alone in this either— the EU GDPR rules now prohibit posting people’s photo online without their permission.



So if I’m “bitter” about bar photos, it’s in the same way I’m “bitter” about bar fights, and people who vomit in the corner, but that’s not the meaning that “bitter” generally conveys. I don’t care if you’re having a good time, I just don’t want your enjoyment to infringe on mine.

All of that said, "night mode" will go some way toward making this less annoying for me: my biggest issue actually is that a flash in a dark bar or restaurant is really distracting to other patrons even when they aren’t in-frame. On the other hand it may raise more issues for the people who hated Google Glass. I think the problem with Glass was that people never knew if you were taking a picture or not. When there’s a flash, it’s obvious. With these night modes, it no longer is.

Concerns about taking pictures without others knowing is the reason the entire country of Japan prevents muting of the shutter sound.
 
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I have a Series 4 Watch. I charge mine fully before I go to bed (I'm charging it while I'm sleeping right now). I then sleep with it, and by the time I need to charge it the next night I rarely have less than 40% charge left. On the very rare occasions when I've forgotten to charge it or it fell off my charger while charging it at night, in 10-20 minutes Ive had no trouble charging it enough to get it through my work day.

Granted I have a Series 4 watch, and maybe your watch is a lot older (mine is a year old now) but my point is I almost never forget to charge it and the rare times I do forget, I don't have any trouble charging it enough to get it through the day. Now, granted as you admit, different people have different needs and usage patterns, but if this is such a big problem for you with the Apple Watch it seems like it would be a lot better (and cheaper) to either buy a new Apple Watch (or maybe just a new battery) if your battery is that poor, or just buy a spare Apple Watch charger than want to get a new iPhone so you can charge your watch the rare occasions you forget to charge it.

I just really have a hard time seeing where this function would be useful often enough for me to really care about having it. Maybe it would have been useful for the original Apple Watch which had barely adequate battery life, but there has never been a day I've had any trouble at all with the battery life on my Apple Watch 4.
it's not "such a big problem" it's just an inconvenience for me. When its not on the charger it's at 0% in the morning and I'm usually out the door 10-15 mins after I get to my watch. So I can maybe get enough to get me through half of the day or so. A lady at one of my jobs keeps her watch charger there. I have a series 4.

It's just frustrating in the sense that there's an issue I have which is irritating to me, it was basically "known for a fact" that the phone would have reverse charging capability and I got excited that that would fix my little issue if it ever came up. But it turns out that Apple couldn't figure out how to make it work for some reason. Which I just dont understand because so many other phones have had this...seems like a no brainer. Made the battery much bigger to support it etc.

So it just sucks that for months I've been looking forward to this, and its one of the things that Apple can't deliver. Why the hell can't a literal Trillion dollar "phone company" figure out something everyone else has already done?
 
I’m not sure you understand what bitter means, but for the most part you’ve been civil with your questions, so I’ll try to explain some of the reasons why people may not like people taking pictures in bars— and this isn’t an obscure opinion, it was one of the failure modes for Google Glass and different jurisdictions have taken actions to limit some of the downsides of ubiquitous connected digital photography.



So why do people not like cameras in bars?

Maybe it’s because when you record everything, you remember nothing. Pictures with the trophy, I get. Pictures in the bar after every game, I don’t. But to each their own.

Maybe it’s because I’m more of a photographer than a model and don’t particularly like being in front of a camera. My friends know that, you don’t, and you probably aren’t asking me before catching me in frame. It’s inconsiderate.

Maybe it’s because I think when I’m out with friends I should be focused on them in the moment and not on publishing the events of the day or on watching someone else’s evening. Drives me nuts when I’m hanging out with someone and they’re constantly taking pictures to share and then obsessing over the responses and watching everyone else’s feed.

You say everything is spontaneous, but I disagree— people act differently when they’re being recorded.

Maybe it’s because I don’t like the fact that my image, voice and words can be put into the public domain to be viewed, scanned, analyzed and cross referenced without my consent. I’m not alone in this either— the EU GDPR rules now prohibit posting people’s photo online without their permission.



So if I’m “bitter” about bar photos, it’s in the same way I’m “bitter” about bar fights, and people who vomit in the corner, but that’s not the meaning that “bitter” generally conveys. I don’t care if you’re having a good time, I just don’t want your enjoyment to infringe on mine.

All of that said, "night mode" will go some way toward making this less annoying for me: my biggest issue actually is that a flash in a dark bar or restaurant is really distracting to other patrons even when they aren’t in-frame. On the other hand it may raise more issues for the people who hated Google Glass. I think the problem with Glass was that people never knew if you were taking a picture or not. When there’s a flash, it’s obvious. With these night modes, it no longer is.

Concerns about taking pictures without others knowing is the reason the entire country of Japan prevents muting of the shutter sound.
I guess it's a culture thing because here in the US, we give 0 fox about what other people are doing at bars. We're too busy having a good time with the people we are with and even make new friends with others who decide to jump in the group photo. Photo bombing in bars here are a common occurence. We're not concerned about trivial things like having our likeness posted online somewhere because we ended up in the background on someone's photo at a bar. Now if that said photo was used commercially, then that's a different story.
 
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Tech-heads notice the specs, imo. People want the phone to advance in some ways and apple silicon helps that. Dynamic HDR and dynamic HDR in videos are two examples. They may not care if there is an a12 or a13 under the covers, but it's what the phone does that counts.

Storage and ram are two components and I content, that the current configurations are tuned for the generation of iphone that is selling. People notice battery life, it has to be good enough for daily use. As far as the hardware supporting the UX, that really hasn't been a problem since the iphone 6s.

Apple, imo, doesn't hold back. It doesn't throw stuff into the phone until they believe it's ready for prime time.

Recording or capturing an image and being able to view it in its native formats has been completely disregarded in your logic.

Allow me to provide a simple example, I can record content or take out a picture with HDR, 8K, multi-dynamic sound, etc. However if the only hardware and device that I can appreciate this is my phone that support it defeats the purpose of the content until the masses have available this technology and the content is still relevant.

It is great that some recent generation iPhones can capture 4K, but most people who own iPhone 8 or prior, iPad or even the Pro versions, all Mac hardware presently for sale can only view that content in its original form on an iPhone X and onward. Most people who do own 4K TV’s do not watch iPhone clips or pictures in 4K. Options are available but lost on most. Sending/sharing picture via the cloud also using compression which lowers quality and is a far stretch from the original.

This reminds me of the days when TV manufacturers 4 colour LED TV or more and UHD, which basically used a basic form of AI/ML to analyze and display the content to the viewer. Was it perfect no, was it good enough for most, probably. In the end it was just marketing to sell something.

The content you produce today with that Pro iPhone may not be relevant or interesting when most can truly appreciate it, most of what any mobile phone company does is marketing similar to the TV manufacturers. If you are producing movie gems like some Hollywood classics or even a memorable Indie, you would not be using an iPhone Pro. Those movies are recorded with RED cameras that can capture 4K or higher because the content holders can sell and repackage it years down the road. If some Indie filmmaker is using an iPhone Pro to record movies it is just marketing gimmick to say I have done it first and it is possible but certainly not the preferred and widely accepted.

Even the Pro Display XDR can only display native 6K content, why Apple did not offer 8K, dunno maybe that type of panel is too expensive or not available.

Let’s not kid ourselves thinking people are making and selling production quality movies or shorts with this Pro model.

Anecdotal, but most of the people in my circle still have 1080p TV’s where most of they movie watching takes place. Most of those pictures taken in Hi-Res with their iPhone have not been looked at after 3-6 months since it was captured.
 
Recording or capturing an image and being able to view it in its native formats has been completely disregarded in your logic.

Allow me to provide a simple example, I can record content or take out a picture with HDR, 8K, multi-dynamic sound, etc. However if the only hardware and device that I can appreciate this is my phone that support it defeats the purpose of the content until the masses have available this technology and the content is still relevant.

It is great that some recent generation iPhones can capture 4K, but most people who own iPhone 8 or prior, iPad or even the Pro versions, all Mac hardware presently for sale can only view that content in its original form on an iPhone X and onward. Most people who do own 4K TV’s do not watch iPhone clips or pictures in 4K. Options are available but lost on most. Sending/sharing picture via the cloud also using compression which lowers quality and is a far stretch from the original.

This reminds me of the days when TV manufacturers 4 colour LED TV or more and UHD, which basically used a basic form of AI/ML to analyze and display the content to the viewer. Was it perfect no, was it good enough for most, probably. In the end it was just marketing to sell something.

The content you produce today with that Pro iPhone may not be relevant or interesting when most can truly appreciate it, most of what any mobile phone company does is marketing similar to the TV manufacturers. If you are producing movie gems like some Hollywood classics or even a memorable Indie, you would not be using an iPhone Pro. Those movies are recorded with RED cameras that can capture 4K or higher because the content holders can sell and repackage it years down the road. If some Indie filmmaker is using an iPhone Pro to record movies it is just marketing gimmick to say I have done it first and it is possible but certainly not the preferred and widely accepted.

Even the Pro Display XDR can only display native 6K content, why Apple did not offer 8K, dunno maybe that type of panel is too expensive or not available.

Let’s not kid ourselves thinking people are making and selling production quality movies or shorts with this Pro model.

Anecdotal, but most of the people in my circle still have 1080p TV’s where most of they movie watching takes place. Most of those pictures taken in Hi-Res with their iPhone have not been looked at after 3-6 months since it was captured.
You’re conflating and obfuscating specific advancements from Apple with technology moves on.

Your “use cases”, applies equally to android, iOS and windows.

There is a very simple reason people aren’t making production quality movies or shirts with the pro model. It’s not available until tomorrow. However, once it’s available you will be proven wrong.

 
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I’m not sure you understand what bitter means, but for the most part you’ve been civil with your questions, so I’ll try to explain some of the reasons why people may not like people taking pictures in bars— and this isn’t an obscure opinion, it was one of the failure modes for Google Glass and different jurisdictions have taken actions to limit some of the downsides of ubiquitous connected digital photography.



So why do people not like cameras in bars?

Maybe it’s because when you record everything, you remember nothing. Pictures with the trophy, I get. Pictures in the bar after every game, I don’t. But to each their own.

Maybe it’s because I’m more of a photographer than a model and don’t particularly like being in front of a camera. My friends know that, you don’t, and you probably aren’t asking me before catching me in frame. It’s inconsiderate.

Maybe it’s because I think when I’m out with friends I should be focused on them in the moment and not on publishing the events of the day or on watching someone else’s evening. Drives me nuts when I’m hanging out with someone and they’re constantly taking pictures to share and then obsessing over the responses and watching everyone else’s feed.

You say everything is spontaneous, but I disagree— people act differently when they’re being recorded.

Maybe it’s because I don’t like the fact that my image, voice and words can be put into the public domain to be viewed, scanned, analyzed and cross referenced without my consent. I’m not alone in this either— the EU GDPR rules now prohibit posting people’s photo online without their permission.



So if I’m “bitter” about bar photos, it’s in the same way I’m “bitter” about bar fights, and people who vomit in the corner, but that’s not the meaning that “bitter” generally conveys. I don’t care if you’re having a good time, I just don’t want your enjoyment to infringe on mine.

All of that said, "night mode" will go some way toward making this less annoying for me: my biggest issue actually is that a flash in a dark bar or restaurant is really distracting to other patrons even when they aren’t in-frame. On the other hand it may raise more issues for the people who hated Google Glass. I think the problem with Glass was that people never knew if you were taking a picture or not. When there’s a flash, it’s obvious. With these night modes, it no longer is.

Concerns about taking pictures without others knowing is the reason the entire country of Japan prevents muting of the shutter sound.
You forgot to yell “and get off my lawn”.
 
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You’re conflating and obfuscating specific advancements from Apple with technology moves on.

Your “use cases”, applies equally to android, iOS and windows.

There is a very simple reason people aren’t making production quality movies or shirts with the pro model. It’s not available until tomorrow. However, once it’s available you will be proven wrong.


Fair enough I will await approximately a year for a production quality movie filmed on an iPhone 11 Pro, if none is released by that time your motive will be evident.

We hear every year how each new announced iPhone has the best XYZ feature, yet reality is most people do the majority of the tasks even on an iPhone SE, lets not try to proclaim that a 64GB bar storage with 4GB RAM and three cameras is some miraculous device released by Apple, until next year then Rinse and Repeat by Apple and you.

I like Apple but I can see through they marketing BS.
 
Fair enough I will await approximately a year for a production quality movie filmed on an iPhone 11 Pro, if none is released by that time your motive will be evident.
Wonderful. Put the thought on hold for a year.:rolleyes:

We hear every year how each new announced iPhone has the best XYZ feature, yet reality is most people do the majority of the tasks even on an iPhone SE, lets not try to proclaim that a 64GB bar storage with 4GB RAM and three cameras is some miraculous device released by Apple, until next year then Rinse and Repeat by Apple and you.

I like Apple but I can see through they marketing BS.
Great so you can see through apples marketing BS. I’m more concerned with real world use if the phones than peoples opinions of real world use, yours falling into the latter.
 
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