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Well, despite my gut feeling this is software (as I proved it earlier in the thread at post 141, I have still placed my order for an iPhone 11 Pro Max.
My wife who has that old iPhone 6 Plus which took the shots at post 141 will very soon need an upgrade as I think iOS 13 will be the last support for her phone. As such she can have my current iPhone XS Max.

With photography high in my life my first task will be to prove this is software orientated. It will be interesting to see how the other 3rd party developers such as NightCap Pro can manipulate and better the default software.
 
Well, despite my gut feeling this is software (as I proved it earlier in the thread at post 141, I have still placed my order for an iPhone 11 Pro Max.
My wife who has that old iPhone 6 Plus which took the shots at post 141 will very soon need an upgrade as I think iOS 13 will be the last support for her phone. As such she can have my current iPhone XS Max.

With photography high in my life my first task will be to prove this is software orientated. It will be interesting to see how the other 3rd party developers such as NightCap Pro can manipulate and better the default software.
Mate. What are you on about? Of course this is software. ML is the next big leap in photography and Apple is at the forefront of it. Have you just not been paying attention?
 
But it seems to me it’s all in vain. What’s the poking of posting and sharing pictures in social media other than to feel like you’re being famous and getting likes? The way I look it now after years of being addicted to posting pictures in social media that photography matters only if it is done in a professional way with traditional gear and if you’re getting paid for your services, otherwise it’s a waste of time.

I completely agree with you. I do not use social media and refuse to post mine or my families images on it. I just think that's the reason for improving camera tech in Smartphones.....
 
Mate. What are you on about? Of course this is software. ML is the next big leap in photography and Apple is at the forefront of it. Have you just not been paying attention?
No need to get personal. Of course I know it’s software and of course I have been paying attention.
I have already mentioned this is software, as I proved with the earlier post 141. It is bloody easy to improve on the software basics and I’m convinced all this is is a software tweak using an improved chip.
 
One reason parents do this is the poor quality of the photos they try to take outside. I love the way technology allows me to easily take decent photos in situations where I previously would have been disappointed in the results (if I even made the attempt to take candid shots at all).

Seems reasonable but hard to say, not dismissing your reasons it just sounds absurd to me to purchase a new phone when others have used software based camera apps to render beautiful results even from an iPhone 6 camera. This to me sounds like a feature that can be brought incorporated into iOS13 tbh. It just seems that Apple said let’s focus on 2020 and threw what it had in the spare bin and called it the 2019 model.

I am please that iPhones are getting more RAM if true, however iOS does a fabulous job of the artificial limited that Apple used to include while convincing blind followers of such. Now they increase it and those followers have changed they tune. 3-4GB on an iOS phone is very acceptable, 6GB to Support future capabilities in 2020 great news but presently calling it a “Pro” and the reasons behind it is a joke. Apple should have just called it the 11R, 11 and 11 Max. We are getting into competitor phone naming schemes now.

Even the 2018 iPad Pro should have included 6GB or more across the line, this is a pathetic attempt on Apple’s part to hinder other hardware components for the sake of future sales at the lack of innovation. Other companies include 10-12GB of RAM, forum members here chime in an unoptimized OS needs all the RAM it can get. Give me a break people, stop back tracking on your positions and then call it development depending on progression.
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No need to get personal. Of course I know it’s software and of course I have been paying attention.
I have already mentioned this is software, as I proved with the earlier post 141. It is bloody easy to improve on the software basics and I’m convinced all this is is a software tweak using an improved chip.

It’s amazing that “ErikGrim” believes that Apple is the only one using AI/ML in every aspect of an OS and smart device.

Forefront it is a bold assertion on “ErikGrim” part considering you, others and competitors have proven that Night Mode has already been done years prior.

I guess some will find any reason to justify Apple’s lame 2019 lack of innovation and effort.
 
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Congrats to Apple for catching up!
Too true. It takes Apple over 3 years to catch up. I mean, Apple milks the Apple 3 years by making a small adjustment on the annual models, then 3 years later, it does what the rivals did 3 years ago.
 
I wondered if it will. Would be a shame if it ships with dead hardware. I highly doubt apple would just be all "SURPRISE WIRELESS CHARGING NOW!"...but who knows

and I dunno who/what stranger parts is lol

Off Topic: this is strange parts

Western dude living in China and building phones from scratch/with mods. Gives an interesting insight into that world.
 
Still don't really get the idea of taking photos in the dark. Great photography requires great use of light. Not shooting pictures in a bar.

I can see dozens of practical reasons that can creep up at times, especially from business owners needing to take pictures in certain situations inside or outside for a variety of reasons, not just for family fun photos.

Too true. It takes Apple over 3 years to catch up. I mean, Apple milks the Apple 3 years by making a small adjustment on the annual models, then 3 years later, it does what the rivals did 3 years ago.

Let’s hope that sooner than later, a rival abandons the unintuitive facets of flat design, text as buttons, bland and borderless white-out low-contrast-text interfaces, and thin at all cost hardware so Apple can start the return to great functional design sooner than later plus 3 years.
 
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Too little, too late. Updates once a year is too weak.

Too late for what?
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Uh, oh. I sense a great disturbance in the Force. There's no way an iPhone camera can be any good. These must be fakes, touchups, or (to take a page from the Huawei playbook) shot on a DSLR and passed off as camera shots. /s

But don’t people say that every year. And then real world photos by reviewers start popping up?

Maybe the entire Shot on iPhone campaign is fake?
 
When I upgraded I noticed that even the Xs does better in low light than the X with regards to video. I think native camera performance would be better on the new phones even without the extra computational effort of a dedicated night video mode. There will likely need to be another big jump in computational power in order for these devices to pull in enough frames (at different exposures) in order for it to compile and produce stable video in a special low light mode.

Regardless, I was quite impressed with the footage I was able to get from my Xs during a Massive Attack concert last weekend, so really hoping this new device raises the bar again!

Did you find yourself using the zoom on the video much? I did just preorder the 11 because I thought I wouldn't really use the 2x zoom much(it's not even that much anyway). What do you think?
 
Still don't really get the idea of taking photos in the dark. Great photography requires great use of light. Not shooting pictures in a bar.

How about on the street?


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My experience dealing with a supply chain. It’s their job to continually improve their components to keep their contracts. If we were discussing batteries, displays, microphones or any other component I’d be saying the same thing.
So what you’re saying is you know nothing about how the lens affects this feature or photography in general and are instead making a generalization based on your unrelated experience with unrelated components.
 
I was going to get the 8+ in the refurbished store, but this feature (night mode) on the 11 is making me doubt about it...

Portrait mode for everything with depth control + night mode puts the 11 over the 8+
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I am not a professional photographer but are these really "real" photos taken with an iPhone 11? Are they Photoshopped and how could we check?
Apple has never done and they make it point to say the photos are straight of the camera - we are all able to confirm next week.
 
I'm a loser Apple sheep it seems because I like to get the new phone each year, but I couldn't agree more. The two strong rumors/features that I wanted the most was 3x zoom (rumor has been around for as long as the 3 camera rumor, more than a year listed as the #1 benefit usually of 3 cameras, or at least always a top mention)

and reverse charging that all top androids have and was a strong rumor up until 2 days before the announcement.....so yet again Apple can't figure out wireless charging and strikes out

So yes it sucks not getting the 2 things I wanted the most on this phone...

The android manufacturers havent figured wireless charging out either, they're just satisfied with sub par user experience when apple isn't.
 
Well, despite my gut feeling this is software (as I proved it earlier in the thread at post 141, I have still placed my order for an iPhone 11 Pro Max.
My wife who has that old iPhone 6 Plus which took the shots at post 141 will very soon need an upgrade as I think iOS 13 will be the last support for her phone. As such she can have my current iPhone XS Max.

With photography high in my life my first task will be to prove this is software orientated. It will be interesting to see how the other 3rd party developers such as NightCap Pro can manipulate and better the default software.

Your post 141 proves nothing other than that you could process a completely different photo to make it brighter.
 
I'm a loser Apple sheep it seems because I like to get the new phone each year, but I couldn't agree more. The two strong rumors/features that I wanted the most was 3x zoom (rumor has been around for as long as the 3 camera rumor, more than a year listed as the #1 benefit usually of 3 cameras, or at least always a top mention)

and reverse charging that all top androids have and was a strong rumor up until 2 days before the announcement.....so yet again Apple can't figure out wireless charging and strikes out

So yes it sucks not getting the 2 things I wanted the most on this phone...
I'd like to get 3x zoom, but seriously, who really cares about reverse charging? It sounds nice in theory, but in practice I don't have anything I would really want to be charged by my phone. The 2 things people mention the most are AirPods (or some sort of equivalent) and a watch, but the battery life on both of those devices are so good there has never been a time when charging them has been an issue. I would imagine charging with my phone would be really slow and possibly drain my phone battery.

This feature reminds me of wireless charging which Android sheep loved to talk about until it came to the Apple phone. Once I saw it on my phone I was completely underwhelmed by it, and hardly ever use it.
 
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Your post 141 proves nothing other than that you could process a completely different photo to make it brighter.

That is exactly what software tweaking is... The default camera refuses to allow extra light. For example:- You cannot alter ISO or Speed. However, by using ‘software’ via another App you can then improve the shot.
As such what we see in the photo of the model is not necessarily down to the improvements from the iPhone 11 Pro, it is more likely a ‘software tweak’ that has allowed it.... which is exactly what my two photo examples were doing.
 
I'd like to get 3x zoom, but seriously, who really cares about reverse charging? It sounds nice in theory, but in practice I don't have anything I would really want to be charged by my phone. The 2 things people mention the most are AirPods (or some sort of equivalent) and a watch, but the battery life on both of those devices are so good there has never been a time when charging them has been an issue. I would imagine charging with my phone would be really slow and possibly drain my phone battery.

This feature reminds me of wireless charging which Android sheep loved to talk about until it came to the Apple phone. Once I saw it on my phone I was completely underwhelmed by it, and hardly ever use it.
I do and here’s why as I mentioned earlier-

Once in a while I forget to charge my watch at night. I almost went to sleep with it on tonight. Or I’ll put it on my stand and it will stick to the magnet, but not be centered enough to charge. It’s rare, but it does happen. So I wake up with 20-40% on my watch which won’t make it near a full day for me.
There is always plenty of lightning Chargers where I’m at/places I work, but only one building I work in has someone with a watch charger.

so having the ability to give my watch that 10-20% I need to make it through the day would be awesome when I do need it. Whatever my phone drains, I can very easily charge it.


That’s me and my personal situation so that’s why I would like it. Others differ for different reasons
 
The development in camera technology and the boom in social media go hand in hand.
Previously, before social media took off, cameras in smartphones were not so important.
Now, with the social media boom, you can take a great image and upload straight to social media to share with family and friends instantly, whenever and wherever you are. You cant do that with a traditional camera.
So yes, its a convenience thing - what's convenient for one person may be an inconvenience to you. Its all about catering for the masses, and the mass market love their photos and love their social media. As a company looking to make profit, Apple have simply catered for their largest market.

I agree, but I don't think people can tell the difference between the quality unless you blow up the picture to a wall size. I doubt I would show someone a picture on my smartphone and he can tell if it was shot on iphone XR or iphone 5 camera
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Yes. People do. For a lot of people, including myself - a retired professional photographer, a phone is now simply a very very smart camera.

Do you find the current smartphone cameras a replacement for the traditional camera? Honest question...
I don't see professionals doing photoshoots or taking pictures for National Geographic using iphone as their tool of choice. They still use the traditional ones.
 
Sucks no other iPhones get this feature. Darn Apple not giving the X series hardware to support this feature. I still think the 11 Pros are what should have come out last year. I think sales for the iPhone 11 Pro would have been many times more than the Xs series.
Apple could have had a HUGE Q4 for 2018, compared to the not so big one that they got.
 
Do you find the current smartphone cameras a replacement for the traditional camera? Honest question...
I don't see professionals doing photoshoots or taking pictures for National Geographic using iphone as their tool of choice. They still use the traditional ones.
Except people do. Cover shots, fashion, war photography, music videos, major motion pictures – have already been shot and will be shot on iPhones going forward. Will it ever replace traditional cameras? No. Is it a viable artistic alternative? Yes.
 
so, it's one thing to say that they're taken on 11 pro, but has anything specifically said that these are not photos that had some touching up afterwards?

Try neuralcam from the app store with your actual iphone.
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Sucks no other iPhones get this feature. Darn Apple not giving the X series hardware to support this feature. I still think the 11 Pros are what should have come out last year. I think sales for the iPhone 11 Pro would have been many times more than the Xs series.
Apple could have had a HUGE Q4 for 2018, compared to the not so big one that they got.

You can have this feature by trying neuralcam. It's pretty amazing.
 
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