Night Mode and New Cameras in iPhone 11 and 11 Pro Shown Off

[Coconut Bean]

Yes but if you’re trying to focus on the part where it’s black, it also locks exposure to that area too. Then you simply slide up to expose more of that area. You won’t get it to look good but you will not see black either especially when there is a light source nearby.

All of these before and after night shots from all phone makers are being manipulated in ways that nobody uses their cameras just to prove a point.

Yes, arguably all the shots are. Like that video in the keynote from LA. But evennof you get half of what's demos its pretty impressive.
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I'm a loser Apple sheep it seems because I like to get the new phone each year, but I couldn't agree more. The two strong rumors/features that I wanted the most was 3x zoom (rumor has been around for as long as the 3 camera rumor, more than a year listed as the #1 benefit usually of 3 cameras, or at least always a top mention)

and reverse charging that all top androids have and was a strong rumor up until 2 days before the announcement.....so yet again Apple can't figure out wireless charging and strikes out

So yes it sucks not getting the 2 things I wanted the most on this phone...

There's a remote chance that teardowns will show the phone actually have the hardware for remote charging.

Otherwise one could always ask Stranger Parts if he can slap som some thing together.

 

[Jdhommert]

Yes, arguably all the shots are. Like that video in the keynote from LA. But evennof you get half of what's demos its pretty impressive.
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There's a remote chance that teardowns will show the phone actually have the hardware for remote charging.

Otherwise one could always ask Stranger Parts if he can slap som some thing together.

I wondered if it will. Would be a shame if it ships with dead hardware. I highly doubt apple would just be all "SURPRISE WIRELESS CHARGING NOW!"...but who knows

and I dunno who/what stranger parts is lol

 

[doelcm82]

Here is an idea, most people are glued to their phones most of the day, you and your friends are at a bar after a long day at work either to unwind or celebrate, relax enjoy the company, atmosphere and beverages and connect on a humanistic level. Technology does not have to encroach on every part of our lives. What is wrong with that biological memory vice depending on a photo to capture a moment that will be forgotten when a similar moment has been relieved.

Yeah. That is an idea. I don't actually spend much time in bars, lately. I'm more likely to be looking to capture candid shots of my kids in their halloween costumes at dusk. Sure there will be another halloween next year, and another solar eclipse in 2024. I'm glad for the encroachment of technology that lets me snap a few pictures at a moment's notice without worrying about whether the lighting is sufficient for the pictures to be technically okay (and occasionally good by my own standards).

 

[pipis2010]

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I don't think there's a phone on the planet that would take that first picture that dark. Even the iPhone 4. I'm calling BS to this comparison.

My 6s Plus can take even darker, lol

 

[User 6502]

Still don't really get the idea of taking photos in the dark. Great photography requires great use of light. Not shooting pictures in a bar.

Most people aren't generally interested in "great photography", but just want to capture a moment to cherish a memory.

 

[otternonsense]

Still don't really get the idea of taking photos in the dark. Great photography requires great use of light. Not shooting pictures in a bar.

Take a look at Vlad Savov's twitter feed with his incredible evening time Tokyo images, shot with a Pixel, and then we can talk about it.
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Most people aren't generally interested in "great photography", but just want to capture a moment to cherish a memory.

Exactly, and you don't want that memory to look like ****.

 

[ErikGrim]

Are you familiar with how Night Mode works? It takes several exposures and merges them together, resulting in a brighter image in which anything moving ends up blurred. Hence my skepticism that this was Night Mode, since the moving subject is not blurred.

That’s how long exposures work. Night Mode specifically works with brackets to reduce amount of blur. That’s the point of his point.
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Note 10 Plus (Night Shot).

OnePlus 7 Pro

Wow. The Nightscape mode of the OnePlus 7 Pro murders Night Shot. Really pleasing results. Looking forward to seeing how Night Mode compares.

 

[Codpeace]

A 1.4 lens can turn moonlight into daylight but better, because the light is different.

And in any case, sometimes the best photography is with a camera that works with the light you have.

Put another way: all the best photography is with a camera you have.

I have many, many wonderful, flawed photos I took only because my phone was in my pocket. Better is better, though, and this new camera looks awesome.
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I don't think you know much about photography.

Great photography is making the best of what you have, anywhere.

THIS is what I meant to say lol

 

[recoil80]

Night mode was at the top of my camera wish list this year. They also improved the camera itself, the telephoto lens is 2.0 instead of 2.4 while the wide was already 1.8 I don't know if the sensor is new so maybe they improved it as well. I really like how you can zoom from 0.5 to 2x in the app with a smooth transition, and I'm looking forward to the new deep fusion mode.
Not sure I'll upgrade though, it is getting really hard to upgrade every year since we don't have the IUP in our country. Battery life on my Xs is ok but 4 more hours would be great so that and the camera would be compelling reasons to upgrade, but boy they're pricey...

 

[MacBH928]

Seriously, do people care so much about the camera? It seems now its more a camera with a phone attached to it, than a cellphone with a good camera.

I think if you absolutely need the best picture quality you should carry a traditional camera around. I believe phone cameras are there for the convenience. I took photos with iphone 5, they don't bother me one bit. Actually I think they look great.

If they will add the best camera out there in my smartphone I will be happy. but if they will punish me for it by adding $300 extra to the price... then no I can really do without.

 

[Smartass]

Seriously, do people care so much about the camera? It seems now its more a camera with a phone attached to it, than a cellphone with a good camera.

I think if you absolutely need the best picture quality you should carry a traditional camera around. I believe phone cameras are there for the convenience. I took photos with iphone 5, they don't bother me one bit. Actually I think they look great.

If they will add the best camera out there in my smartphone I will be happy. but if they will punish me for it by adding $300 extra to the price... then no I can really do without.

Last time i took "normal" camera out with me was in 2011.

 

[The Game 161]

Seriously, do people care so much about the camera? It seems now its more a camera with a phone attached to it, than a cellphone with a good camera.

I think if you absolutely need the best picture quality you should carry a traditional camera around. I believe phone cameras are there for the convenience. I took photos with iphone 5, they don't bother me one bit. Actually I think they look great.

If they will add the best camera out there in my smartphone I will be happy. but if they will punish me for it by adding $300 extra to the price... then no I can really do without.

Because a great camera is everything on a smart phone these days

 

[Beards]

What annoys me is when someone makes a claim of something they in turn need to provide proof and not just by ‘word-of-mouth’.
In this case they need to provide access to EXIF data where anyone can then check the validity of the shot (what camera taken with and settings).
In most cases if the EXIF data has been altered, it is then clear the shot has been edited in software (touched-up).
The exception being if it is a RAW photo, you can then alter aspects afterwards.
Regardless; both examples prove the shot is not direct from the camera but altered in software.

 

[ruimpinho]

Can someone please explain me the difference between the new night mode and using a dedicated camera app with night mode on a earlier device? Because this new "feature" seems like a simple software update to the camera app (which could easily be implemented on older devices) rather than new hardware components.

 

[Ifti]

Seriously, do people care so much about the camera? It seems now its more a camera with a phone attached to it, than a cellphone with a good camera.

I think if you absolutely need the best picture quality you should carry a traditional camera around. I believe phone cameras are there for the convenience. I took photos with iphone 5, they don't bother me one bit. Actually I think they look great.

If they will add the best camera out there in my smartphone I will be happy. but if they will punish me for it by adding $300 extra to the price... then no I can really do without.

The development in camera technology and the boom in social media go hand in hand.
Previously, before social media took off, cameras in smartphones were not so important.
Now, with the social media boom, you can take a great image and upload straight to social media to share with family and friends instantly, whenever and wherever you are. You cant do that with a traditional camera.
So yes, its a convenience thing - what's convenient for one person may be an inconvenience to you. Its all about catering for the masses, and the mass market love their photos and love their social media. As a company looking to make profit, Apple have simply catered for their largest market.

 

[Beards]

Can someone please explain me the difference between the new night mode and using a dedicated camera app with night mode on a earlier device? Because this new "feature" seems like a simple software update to the camera app (which could easily be implemented on older devices) rather than new hardware components.

It’s software, nothing more. Take a look at the two shots I took 4 years ago using an iPhone 6 Plus. The top photo was taken using NightCap camera App then edited in ACDSee on an iPad.
NightCap increased the time to 1/2 second and the ISO to 1250

f/2.2
0.500000 - ( 1/2 seconds )
4 mm
29 mm (35 mm format)
ISO 1250
Flash did not fire
19-05-2015 00:38:41
0.00 Kilometer per hour
99.445428 meters above sea level (+/- 0.00)
0.00 EV
Auto Exposure
Not defined
Auto White Balance
Pattern Metering mode
Apple
iPhone 6 Plus
ACDSee
Apple
iPhone 6 Plus back camera 4.15mm f/2.2

The second photo is directly from the iPhone 6 Plus camera at 1/4 second and ISO 500

f/2.2
0.250000 - ( 1/4 seconds )
4 mm
29 mm (35 mm format)
ISO 500
Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
19-05-2015 01:00:26
0.00 Kilometer per hour
96.130293 meters above sea level (+/- 0.00)
0.00 EV
Auto Exposure
Normal program
Auto White Balance
Pattern Metering mode
Apple
iPhone 6 Plus
8.3
Apple
iPhone 6 Plus back camera 4.15mm f/2.2
53.217317° -1.414717°

 

[ruimpinho]

It’s software, nothing more. Take a look at the two shots I took 4 years ago using an iPhone 6 Plus. The top photo was taken using NightCap camera App then edited in ACDSee on an iPad.
NightCap increased the time to 1/2 second and the ISO to 1250

f/2.2
0.500000 - ( 1/2 seconds )
4 mm
29 mm (35 mm format)
ISO 1250
Flash did not fire
19-05-2015 00:38:41
0.00 Kilometer per hour
99.445428 meters above sea level (+/- 0.00)
0.00 EV
Auto Exposure
Not defined
Auto White Balance
Pattern Metering mode
Apple
iPhone 6 Plus
ACDSee
Apple
iPhone 6 Plus back camera 4.15mm f/2.2

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Great shot. Apple gave us zero information about this "night mode" apart from being available on new iPhones. Such a shameful atempt of marketing. Most people will get blurry shots anyway, light doesn't simply appear out of nowhere...

 

[darcyf]

Sure. But the software/hardware are optimized to work together. For someone to think that software can be created to completely make up for older lenses is dreaming. If image quality is that important to an XS owner, he/she should be planning to turn in or sell on the secondary market and upgrade.

What is it about the lens that you think makes night mode a reality? You must be really sure about that to cite the lens itself as the deciding factor.
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This right here is what “entitlement” means.
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It’s not a slow shutter speed - it’s lots of individual images that can be combined. That’s the point. Unlike film-cameras and DSLRs, you can simulate slow exposure by taking lots of individual fast exposures, compensating for motion, and adding the light up over each shot. And you can simultaneously use one of the other camera sensors to do a slow exposure to provide additional information, etc. So if something (say a leg) is moving from frame to frame, the phone can realize those are all the same object, and compensate accordingly.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to imagine that a software update could add new features to a piece of hardware, given that this is literally what happens to the iPhone every year. Calling that entitled is very narrow minded.

 

[hagjohn]

Seriously, do people care so much about the camera?

Yes, some of us do. There is nothing wrong with wanting the device to be the best it can, especially since we have to pay a premium to get it.

 

[code-m]

Yeah. That is an idea. I don't actually spend much time in bars, lately. I'm more likely to be looking to capture candid shots of my kids in their halloween costumes at dusk. Sure there will be another halloween next year, and another solar eclipse in 2024. I'm glad for the encroachment of technology that lets me snap a few pictures at a moment's notice without worrying about whether the lighting is sufficient for the pictures to be technically okay (and occasionally good by my own standards).

Valid reasons to capture memories of your children’s Halloween costumes, however most parents I know take out pictures at home with ample lighting before the little ones head out and are tired plus excited from the nights events.

If anyone here is trying to take out decent low light pictures that are meant to be kept long term or make a living from selling those pictures their would be using proper equipment. There is an adage, “if you want the job, dress the part” or “dress for success”.

I am curious of image quality compared to the “beautify” selfie effect that Apple had incorporated since iPhone X. My own experience is the quality is blotchy and not worth it. Glad to see Apple finally recognize its poor quality of low light capture prior to Night Mode and is doing something about it after being called out by users and competitors. Some here follow any company blindly and fail to recognize that without criticism from anyone a company basically goes unchecked and directionless.

 

[AlexGraphicD]

The development in camera technology and the boom in social media go hand in hand.
Previously, before social media took off, cameras in smartphones were not so important.
Now, with the social media boom, you can take a great image and upload straight to social media to share with family and friends instantly, whenever and wherever you are. You cant do that with a traditional camera.
So yes, its a convenience thing - what's convenient for one person may be an inconvenience to you. Its all about catering for the masses, and the mass market love their photos and love their social media. As a company looking to make profit, Apple have simply catered for their largest market.

But it seems to me it’s all in vain. What’s the point of posting and sharing pictures in social media other than to feel like you’re being famous and getting likes? The way I look it now after years of being addicted to posting pictures in social media that photography matters only if it is done in a professional way with traditional gear and if you’re getting paid for your services, otherwise it’s a waste of time.

 

[wesk702]

Still don't really get the idea of taking photos in the dark. Great photography requires great use of light. Not shooting pictures in a bar.

Yeah, but a good portion of people plan their social activities in the evening and don’t carry around lighting.
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You really can't imagine wanting to quickly capture a special moment in a low-light situation? Do you really think every photo must be "great photography" to be valuable and meaningful? And you can't imagine such low-light moments happening outside the context of a bar? You need to get out of the house and/or bar more.

Exactly, it’s camera improvements that make even in unideal moments, a chance for what would have been a bad photo into “great photography.”

 

[MacUser09425]

What is it about the lens that you think makes night mode a reality?

My experience dealing with a supply chain. It’s their job to continually improve their components to keep their contracts. If we were discussing batteries, displays, microphones or any other component I’d be saying the same thing.

 

[doelcm82]

Valid reasons to capture memories of your children’s Halloween costumes, however most parents I know take out pictures at home with ample lighting before the little ones head out and are tired plus excited from the nights events.

One reason parents do this is the poor quality of the photos they try to take outside. I love the way technology allows me to easily take decent photos in situations where I previously would have been disappointed in the results (if I even made the attempt to take candid shots at all).

 

[jacg]

It does sound a lot like this could easily be implemented on older phones. Which annoys me a bit.

Also, in the end, it’s still not going to stand up to any sort of inspection, like a DSLR photo. I bought the XS coolaid and the photos look good/slightly surreal but when you look closely they are pretty crappy lo res, high noise, social media fodder.

Unlike a 10 second evening landscape shot at 1.8 at 100 ISO on my fairly cheap DSLR. I know, silly comparison, but it is easy to be fooled by the glorious samples Apple shows every year.