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Nike+ Watch and NRC First Weekend Run Thoughts
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It could take up more space in storage than you'd think. You would need to store a large sample of different ways people can say those words, because people have different pitch and intonation. I mean, maybe someone else can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think speech recognition software is at the point where you can feed it some random words and it analyzes each sound and decodes it to figure out someone is saying "play." It just has a large sample of different people saying "play," and when someone speaks to Siri, it compares to the database and matches it to the closest word it finds in the database. So that database could be quite big relative to the amount of storage available on the watch, even if it's just for a few words.
I'll leave the technicalities to those more capable, but I'd be very surprised if an in-watch Siri worked well in the environment I'd need it most -- as I cross the finish line of a race amidst cheers/shouts, I'm dripping in sweat, out of breath, and trying not to puke from the exertion of the final kick.
Thank you sir. I was beginning to consider selling my AW2 and getting the Nike Edition. You saved me having to explain to my wife, after bragging about my AW2, why I needed the Nike Edition.
[doublepost=1478717852][/doublepost]Deeddawg, you seem pretty knowledgeable and are a runner. Can you explain how I get HR readings at the end of my run when I finish the run, with the HR stuff turned off in the settings of the Nike app? Thanks.
A note the HR was over 20 beats higher than my normal ez pace 8 mile run.
Another thing I noticed was I carried my phone with me this morning and tried the hey Siri, it worked, but when I looked at the watch I was in workout mode and not the Nike app. I tried hey Siri and added start run in Nike RC. Same thing- it went to workout screen??
Oh yeah, the distance is consistently close to .08-.1 further on my 8-10 mile runs compared to my trusty Garmin235. Even with the phone today. Sadly for a"serious" runner like me
that changes the pace per mile by over 15 seconds. It is finally dawning on me that I am going to have to stick to my Garmin for my running and relegate the AW to daily wear after my run. I have deleted the circles crap so my OCD/anal ways won't be looking at that stuff. Thanks for taking the time to help an old guy out. Nick
Hey man,
Can you elaborate more on the swimming aspect of the watch?
I am considering getting a AWN+ but will use mostly to track swimming at my local olympic pool. Thanks
The swim tracking function of S2 Apple watches are the same whether you have a Nike Watch or a regular watch. So I think if you are interested in that aspect, it will be more effective to start a separate thread on that topic, because you'll get more responses than if you just posted in a Nike Watch thread.
LOL, glad to help a guy out!Thank you sir. I was beginning to consider selling my AW2 and getting the Nike Edition. You saved me having to explain to my wife, after bragging about my AW2, why I needed the Nike Edition.
Do understand I've logged a whopping four runs with the watch since picking it up a few days ago. So take the following with a grain of salt.
Nope. I have no idea why you'd be seeing HR readings in the Nike app when you have HR turned off. My only guess would be the Apple activity app is using HR for its own stuff and the data is cross pollinating. DAMFINO
I leave HR on. I do wish the software would display %HRR or HRR based zones, but I can make do with just the HR figure as I roughly know my ranges for my purposes. So far it's seemed on par with my 235; hasn't seemed to be out of the ordinary. When I wear both I have them on opposite wrists; stacking two OHRMs near each other on the same arm can cause erroneous readings.
Distance: Over the course of four different Garmin watches I've found a 1-2% difference to be not unusual, and so far that's about the difference I'm seeing when I've run with my 235. I'll continue testing, but given my goals it's been fine so far.
Pace: Current/instant pace on the AW2 is all over the place, effectively useless. It's also been useless on every Garmin I've owned when they didn't support speed-from-footpod for current pace info. Unsurprising due to the nature of GPS, but from what I've read it has been better on some competitors.
Frankly, I generally don't pay attention to pace while out running. It's far from flat around here and there's not much opportunity to run on flat & level ground outside of a track or some specific parks. Mostly, runs out from work or home involve enough elevation changes to mess with pacing. In training I focus more on HR zones mixed up with speed/tempo work whether in structured or unstructured intervals. I have some 1/4 to 1/3 mile road loops within a 1 mi or so warm up run that include slight hills, and I live close to a high school and can run to the track to use if I need flat speed work. Not really doing much of either in the past few months though.
I really like having music loaded on the AW2 and playing it to my bluetooth headphones without having to carry my iPod nano.
My current thinking is I'll keep the 235 and use it for races and any key training days, with the AW2 serving for unstructured runs where I'm more "shooting from the hip". I definitely like the smart watch features of the AW2 more than the 235's capabilities.
If I were advising someone looking for a casual runners watch, I'd certainly recommend the AW2 at this point, albeit with a strong caveat that I expect the software to improve over time. For serious runners desiring a smartwatch and running watch, I'd encourage them to consider the AW2 combined with a used or refurb Garmin FR610, 920xt, or 230/235.
Thanks for your insights. I think you are right about the HR being part of the Apple Health deal. I guess I could opt out of that or can"t I?
Any thoughts on why when I used Siri today it went to the workout app versus the Nike?
I think I will be happier using just one watch while running. It is too easy for me to try and get "fly feces out of pepper" when I get too wrapped up in numbers. Foolishly, I have this long history with having runs go to Garmin Connect. Actually I rarely look up any data because my analness-is that a word-? has me write down the info daily in a calendar. I have a drawer full of 40 years of running calendars. Geez, when I read this it confirms I am a runaholic. I think I will call my sponsor
Again thanks. Nick
Any thoughts on why when I used Siri today it went to the workout app versus the Nike?
I think I will be happier using just one watch while running. It is too easy for me to try and get "fly feces out of pepper" when I get too wrapped up in numbers. Foolishly, I have this long history with having runs go to Garmin Connect. Actually I rarely look up any data because my analness-is that a word-? has me write down the info daily in a calendar. I have a drawer full of 40 years of running calendars. Geez, when I read this it confirms I am a runaholic. I think I will call my sponsor
Again thanks. Nick
#1 - no idea. I suppose you can, but I've not looked into it.
#2 - again no idea, although just now when I said "Hey Siri start run" my phone chimed in and asked if I wanted to use Nike Run Club. Crown-press-and-hold to force watch Siri and saying "start run" brought up and started a run in NRC app on the watch. Haven't had any need for this though since I use one of the Nike watch faces and NRC is a complication, so it's trivially available.
Random thought: I wonder if it remembers whatever your last used "run" app was?
#3 - My NRC runs go to Garmin Connect via the RunGap app on my iphone. It's not perfect, there seems to be a delay in Nike+ having the data available, and you do have to get the $2 in-app purchase for 3 months of this added capability, but it works. Will also upload to strava, dropbox, and others.
In iPhone Health app, go to the "Sources" tab, find Nike+ Run Club, and turn reading Heart Rate off.
At least, I think this should work. Let me know if it does.
Super, thanks. I wasn't bright enough to look at sources. Actually, I have never really used the Health app, as I have mentioned in earlier posts I can end up getting wrapped around more data than I have ever needed.
Oops. Be strong! Don't give in to the temptation of all the data in the Health App!
Oops. Be strong! Don't give in to the temptation of all the data in the Health App!
Thanks for the info. Using the crown and saying NRC app works. I will probably download the app you suggested. You know if I ever realized I would get this caught up in all this running tech when I started running, I may have quit
I agree with you - the dataset could be massive.
I do recall some time ago that basic voice recognition tried to "match" what you said by recalling from a preset recording of your voice - obviously, now this is done with more advanced AIaaS connected to the cloud and far more diverse and complex.
I'd venture it would be possible to pre-record simple commands like pause, play, next etc onto the phone and then have it download these to the watch for "matching" when the mothership is not around.
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Happy to start another thread, but in a nutshell, it works very similar to running.
You choose a workout mode (pool swim) and enter the length (ie. 50m) then go swim.
It records heart rate and split lap times very accurately. Data is available afterwards just like a run.
I love it !
That is a possibility, but the process of setting that up will involve having the user repeat each word or phrase several times. It'd be somewhat time consuming, and possibly not the kind of user experience Apple is going for. Although they do use that in setting up "Hey Siri." But that is just one phrase.
Problem: New Airpods with Watch: airpods will not have any features that can be controlled without Siri
Problem: New Airpods with Watch: airpods will not have any features that can be controlled without Siri
Ugh, you are right, I hadn't thought of that!
I don't plan on getting AirPods myself, because I'm pretty sure they wouldn't stay in my ears. So I never thought much about how they would work with the watch. But yeah, that would be a big problem if you wanted to go running with just the watch and AirPods.
Speaking for myself I would never use AirPods for running regardless of what Apple's marketing may depict.Problem: New Airpods with Watch: airpods will not have any features that can be controlled without Siri
Apple's spec page gives no indication of any water or sweat resistance, and certainly does not claim anything approaching "sweatproof".
Over the years I've killed multiple sets of headphones with sweat. Tried some expensive sweatproof headphones twice; first time I just returned them after they died within three weeks. Second ones a few years later actually lasted a few months before dying and being replaced under warranty... though when the replacements then died I was out of warranty and SOL.
So now I just stick to cheap headphones for running. My current favorite for running are the Mpow Cheetah; comfortable, can hear surroundings if I choose the right tips, comfortable on long runs, band doesn't catch or snag when wearing or when in my gym bag. Prior favorite was the Kinivo BTH240. Both have on/off, play/pause, skip fwd/back, and vol up/down controls on the headphones.
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Good point. Also, what happens if they fall out of your ear?
I'm currently loving my Bose Sports wireless earphones. I pull the wire across the back of my neck, if they fall out they just hang around my neck. They come with a clip to clip it onto your clothes, but I use the clip to clip the two ends together around my neck, and I walk around with the earphones hanging around my neck all day when I'm not using them. They came with a nice carrying case, but I hardly ever use the case!
they look good for a good price. Sounds as a good price/value
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For me I've been using the standard Apple earpods for a few months without an issue, and have a pair of Bose QC35 for home use.
I'm leaning towards the Beats X but the Airpods seem uber convenient ... really hope there is more info re. "sweat" resistance ...
You sir, a headphones worst nightmare ! EarBudKiller
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I imagine something pretty similar to the day my ipod nano (in its case) came unclipped from my waistband...
I noticed the lack of music and went back to pick it up off the ground.
I imagine something pretty similar to the day my ipod nano (in its case) came unclipped from my waistband...
I noticed the lack of music and went back to pick it up off the ground.
Ha! But the Nano is bigger than the AirPods, and doesn't roll. If you dropped an AirPod, would you be able to find it?
You sir, a headphones worst nightmare ! EarBudKiller
Yep. Summer lunchtime runs in Atlanta are pretty rough on headphones, as are weekend long runs. I come back from a run looking like I'd jumped in the pool. Fall/winter/spring isn't so bad.
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True, but you'd notice the lack of music a lot sooner; no bluetooth range letting you get 30-40ft away before anything starts cutting out.
Both would svck to lose during a road race. (though to forestall any haters, I never wear headphones in races; I'm there to enjoy the full experience)
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That's for sure - I'm dripping sweat all over the place pretty much anytime I come back from a run around here outside of winter. I've been using the plantronics backbeat fits since the fall of 2014 and haven't managed to kill them yet however during the summer I will often have stop mid run to dry my ears out as sweat tends to work its way in between the headphones and ear which jacks up the sound.