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Disappointed in iPhone 6 features not having 4K video recording

OK, I can understand this is an Apple centric forum, but have you noticed that
Apple seems to have missed the boat on many occasions? Without competition
or someone to look outside the Apple box, they will sometimes dig themselves
into a hole they can't get out of.

Wrong future tech direction vision:
The Apple Lisa, optical writing "disc" to replace hard drive,
Newton, not supporting a wired touchpad, etc.

Latecomer, no vision:
Motorola chips instead of intel, NeXT computers (high price for few instead of low price for masses like workstations taken over by PC's), 3.5"/4" displays when the industry/consumers were going towards 5.5". No wearable display (Google Glass, Project Morpheus, Oculus, etc) research or direction. VR will take over the industry and consumers in less than 6 months.

So you can't just stay back and wait, or you will miss the boat and be too late to the party, losing a lot of consumers and marketshare. Microsoft came in so late they have NO App market on their phones, even though they can support low level language stuff that is capable of overtaking google's android phones (stuck on slow java language needing lots of ram and cpu).

1080p is a sure technology back 5 years ago. You can bet your life
it will become popular back then. Apple missed the 1080p boat until now (4-5 years late).

4K is a sure thing TODAY! The prices on 4K TV monitors are dropping
so fast (like flash ram prices). If you are saying Apple is going to wait until 2016, then again they will miss the boat (like waiting until now to upgrade to 5.5 inch iPhone 6). Apple is going to turn into Microsoft missing the boat if they don't start pushing correct technology vision into their planning. They are not a pure fashion company. Remember how the Apple Cube looked nice, but it bombed. You gotta have good technology too, good technology in the correct direction.

So looks like Apple will be late on 4K for at least 2 years (if iPhone 6S doesn't include it). They will miss the wearable vision for at least 6 years, because they spent all their time on a small screen watch instead of VR large display you can carry with you.

The PS4 costs about $300 and it can play 4K video. That is a mass produced machine (will approach 150 million devices like PS2 or PS3). Where are you going to play those 4K House of Cards show on? 4K HD TV. House of Cards happens to be the highest rated show, and it is in 4K! The most popular video channel is YouTube... It plays 4K! If Apple is that behind the times, and spends all their time on a dying industry they helped kill (the watch) then I am flabbergasted at their lack of vision. At least stay true to technology that is useful. If you want to do wearable, do it close to the eyes, or have displays that can be projected or unrolled, so it is big enough. Oh well, at least they wisened up and made iPhone 6 4.7" or higher. Notice there is no iPhone 6 in 4 inch (they are dropping this size next year!). So 4K or no buy is something that is going to hurt them very fast if they are as stubborn about it as they were about the 4inch or less size in iPhone 5S and before.
 
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I have been doing some testing...

It looks like you can record 3K video on the iphone 5s and 6 with the $5 MoviePro app. This is a good thing. It is not 4K, but much better than 1080p at 30fps. Note, I think 1080p 60fps is better then 4K at 30fps unless you can set the shutter speed to 60hz for the 4K.

Let me make this statement and I hope that an executive from apple will read it....

"You need to innovate again!" If you currently don't have any ideas other than copy Samsung 2 years after they have already done something, then let me give your some help for 2015....

1) Build the first smartphone & tablet to offer 4K at 60fps AND 1080p at 120fps.
2) Allow other app developers to offer higher frame rates at odd resolutions like 1440p 60fps, or even 1440p at 120 fps.
3) Build the first smartphone & tablet to offer a 120hz display.
4) Build the first smartphone & tablet to use a HEVC video encoder.
5) Build a Apple TV box that outputs 4K at 60fps and 1080p at 120fps and has local storage.
6) Build a Apple TV Television that has a native 4K at 120fps refresh rate.
7) Come up with a duel camera sensor to increase dynamic range in video.
8) Put in some 192/24bit audio DACs in your products and offer high res audio.
 
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even the go pro that is quite chunky only outputs 4k at 30fps

You're having a laugh if you think apple will offer better in a phone.
 
When they add 4K, 32GB will be the base. This could be next year, or in 2016.
 
Don't they notice the huge demand for 4K HD TV (needing 4K video recorders) just kicking in?

No. Apple doesn't see it because consumers don't either.

WTF do you consider "huge" in a consumer market?

I worked at Best Buy for the last three years until last November...it's the cheap sets that move 10X more than the $800+ units. Care to point me to where that changed?

No content delivery network even exists at this point to serve 4K to even a fraction of the viewing audience, it doesn't matter that a panel with 4K exists if it doesn't do anything.
 
No 4K video recording in iPhone 6!

... after downsampling to 1440p, which is not 4K.



I'm not a huge video guy but what exactly do you mean downsamples to 1440p?



When watching Note 4 videos on youtube I'm getting 2160p

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I have been doing some testing...

It looks like you can record 3K video on the iphone 5s and 6 with the $5 MoviePro app. This is a good thing. It is not 4K, but much better than 1080p at 30fps. Note, I think 1080p 60fps is better then 4K at 30fps unless you can set the shutter speed to 60hz for the 4K.

Let me make this statement and I hope that an executive from apple will read it....

"You need to innovate again!" If you currently don't have any ideas other than copy Samsung 2 years after they have already done something, then let me give your some help for 2015....

1) Build the first smartphone & tablet to offer 4K at 60fps AND 1080p at 120fps.
2) Allow other app developers to offer higher frame rates at odd resolutions like 1440p 60fps, or even 1440p at 120 fps.

3) Build the first smartphone & tablet to offer a 120hz display.
4) Build the first smartphone & tablet to use a HEVC video encoder.
5) Build a Apple TV box that outputs 4K at 60fps and 1080p at 120fps and has local storage.
6) Build a Apple TV Television that has a native 4K at 120fps refresh rate.
7) Come up with a duel camera sensor to increase dynamic range in video.
8) Put in some 192/24bit audio DACs in your products and offer high res audio.


Hilarious :p

First... Do you have any idea how much storage would 4k at 60 fps eat up??
Second... The quality would probably be sub par for a 4k video. (Just as with current 4k shooting smartphones). No smartphone shoots 4k with video stabilization (which results with crappy, shaky footage).

I'll gladly take amazing 1080p (30 or 60 fps) video, with great stabilization, over 1 gb, 30 second 4k ****.
 
Hilarious :p

First... Do you have any idea how much storage would 4k at 60 fps eat up??
Second... The quality would probably be sub par for a 4k video. (Just as with current 4k shooting smartphones). No smartphone shoots 4k with video stabilization (which results with crappy, shaky footage).

I'll gladly take amazing 1080p (30 or 60 fps) video, with great stabilization, over 1 gb, 30 second 4k ****.

You (we) need to be a bit more open minded about this. Not just throw in 4k recording and thats it.

File size, h265. Like used with FaceTime on the 6.

Steady the camera like we've done for eons. Take a look on youtube with smartphones that shoot in 4K. They videos are no more or less shaky then 1080p videos recorded with an iPhone.

Quality, yes that is subpar comparatively speaking. However that is something we've all come to expect just as an iPhone is subpar to even a cheap point and shoot with quality optics in video and photos.

Over the next couple months I'll be buying 2 new televisions and they will likely be 4k. I think a lot of people will be just because its offered and in no time thats all you'll be able to get (minimum) like 1080p is now.
 
Over the next couple months I'll be buying 2 new televisions and they will likely be 4k. I think a lot of people will be just because its offered and in no time thats all you'll be able to get (minimum) like 1080p is now.

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It took over 20 years for HD to become a standard.

I don't think you understand how content delivery networks evolve (or more accurately stagnate as long as possible).
 
You don't understand marketing. They dole out small incremental features to keep us sheep thinking we are getting the best of the best. They don't blow their load all one one release.

Same now goes for music. If a band records 5 great songs for one album, they will keep 2 or 3 of those for the next release.
 
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It took over 20 years for HD to become a standard.

I don't think you understand how content delivery networks evolve (or more accurately stagnate as long as possible).

Thats kind of a vague use of the word HD don't you think? How long did it take for the 1080p to become a standard over 720p?
 
I just created an account so I could post this…

No 4K, no buy.

Ok, let's tally up. All those in the "no 4K, no buy" group raise your hand. Let's see, ok that's one. Now all those that don't think it matters and are buying iPhone raise your hand. Oh let's keep it to the first weekend of purchases for now. Mmmmm..... I count give or take a couple, ten million. Yup for sure another big  fail.

NOT.......
 
Thats kind of a vague use of the word HD don't you think? How long did it take for the 1080p to become a standard over 720p?

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

1080i (the i is important) is the standard HD across the country to this day.

Japan had HD (in a format that has been discontinued since 2003, when the current rounds came about) in the 90's. America didn't begin it's transition for over a decade and a half, and we are still woefully underserved.

Hell, America's infrastructure alone means 4K is a pipe dream for the vast majority of the country.
 
This is a textbook illustration of people not knowing what 4K really is or whether they are actually seeing it.

Youtube might be delivering a 2160p video to you, but the display of the Note 4 is only physically capable of 1440p.

Ok, I asked you a question and I get a smart remark. Thank you for maintaining an adult conversation, sarcasm intended.

Secondly, who cares about the display of the Note 4. Is there any 4k video camera on earth that has a 4k display? The iPhone 6 doesn't have a 1080 screen but it records 1080 does it not? That is why I don't understand whatever it is you are talking about because it doesn't make sense.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA.

1080i (the i is important) is the standard HD across the country to this day.

Japan had HD (in a format that has been discontinued since 2003, when the current rounds came about) in the 90's. America didn't begin it's transition for over a decade and a half, and we are still woefully underserved.

Hell, America's infrastructure alone means 4K is a pipe dream for the vast majority of the country.

You changed the topic then laugh? ooookaaayyy..

I was CLEARLY talking about BUYING standards. You even quoted that.

"Originally Posted by cynics
Over the next couple months I'll be buying 2 new televisions and they will likely be 4k. I think a lot of people will be just because its offered and in no time thats all you'll be able to get (minimum) like 1080p is now."

Now we are talking about broadcast standards? And are you talking actual "standards" or what is popularly used? There will be a 4k standard in no time like in the UK. Will it be popular? No, not for quite some time.
 
Ok, I asked you a question and I get a smart remark. Thank you for maintaining an adult conversation, sarcasm intended.

Secondly, who cares about the display of the Note 4. Is there any 4k video camera on earth that has a 4k display? The iPhone 6 doesn't have a 1080 screen but it records 1080 does it not? That is why I don't understand whatever it is you are talking about because it doesn't make sense.

IF YOU RECORD IN 4K, BUT NOTHING HAS 4K PIXELS AND THUS HAS TO DOWNSAMPLE (ELIMINATING THE EXTRA DETAIL THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DISPLAYED) TO LESS, THEN WHAT IS THE POINT.

Monitors are largely 1080p now, so a phone recording at that, regardless of the built in display, makes sense. 4K will not be a significant standard for the consumer monitor market for at least another 5 years, regardless of the $800+ displays that >1% of the market buys today.

This doesn't even begin to touch the MASSIVE storage requirements for 4K at 60fps+. The display unit at Best Buy was 4K, and they literally had to ship a different 4TB hard drive hooked up to an insane gaming rig EVERY TIME a different demo movie was released. NOTHING ABOUT THAT MAKES SENSE TO CONSUMERS.

I hope that explains it.
 
Here are the latest phones supporting 4K video... which is best in shooting 4k video?

1. A real 4K video camera.
2. A good 1080p video camera that has been upsampled to 4K in post-processing
3. A mediocre 1080p video camera that has been upsampled to 4K in post-processing
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99. LG G3
100. OnePlus One
101. Samsung Galaxy S5 / Note 4
102. Sony Xperia Z3


At this point, phones with "4K" cameras are as like to a dedicated 4K camera as the earliest smartphone cameras were to DSLRs.

Yes, the four phones you list technically output a video file that has a resolution of (about) 4000 pixels wide. And the video quality is on par with other high-end phones video output. But the fact that they record "4K" is purely for marketing. You get near-zero actual benefit from it.

Go look at reviews of the phones. They all agree that the video quality is good, but that other 1080p phones record just as good video.



Edit: Note that I'm not underselling 4K video for recording or playback. There are "real" 4K cameras out there; there are 4K computer monitors and 4K video monitors (TVs.) There are ways of playing back 4K content. But for the type of home videos you would record on a camera phone, 4K is silly at this point. If you're going to be producing more professional-level videos, you need a real 4K camera anyway.

To me, the two things in video "amateur" home video recording that I find most useful are zoom and high frame rate (aka "slow motion".)
 
Now we are talking about broadcast standards? And are you talking actual "standards" or what is popularly used? There will be a 4k standard in no time like in the UK. Will it be popular? No, not for quite some time.

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What are you going to play on this 4K TV of yours? 1080p on a 4K display looks worse than on a standard 1080p TV. So yes, the delivery of content to your TV matters.
 
4K recording has advantages even if the market for 4K displays is not big in the US yet. The ability to crop, zoom and pan across video without loss of quality at full HD playback is very useful.
 
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